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Title: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: atul_pg on July 16, 2010, 03:16:26 PM
Hi Guys,

Anybody wants to sell their lipo batteries ? Looking for the above configuration and new preferred.

UPDATE - Do not order lipo batteries from hobbycity, It seems there is a new change of rule and they are not allowing lipo batteries out of hongkong by their normal post.

Not sure of another courier..

cheers

atul g.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: gauravag on July 16, 2010, 03:28:35 PM
Is only airmail affected or both Airmail or EMS ?


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: atul_pg on July 16, 2010, 03:31:30 PM
as per an online chat with their support group...

They have only mentioned that anything sent by hongkong post containing lipo batteries are sent back to them but they are arranging to send them "maybe" by swiss post.. 

of course a long wait continues..


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: medicineman1987 on July 16, 2010, 03:53:45 PM
:( I was planning to order some stuff.. Are only LiPos affected?


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: ujjwaana on July 16, 2010, 04:02:52 PM
According to one LHS (a good one), things would get worsen once HK is taken over by China later this year. We might end up bidding a farewell to them and many other HK based e-Bay sellers.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: divay99 on July 16, 2010, 04:08:52 PM
I guess something is wrong ... I just recieved two LIPO batteries from Hobby King... they were shipped from HK on the 4th of this month..... Looks like we have no issue with the lipo piece...


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: atul_pg on July 16, 2010, 04:29:10 PM
looks like this is the latest rule my friend.. you were lucky..

will keep you guys posted..


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: VC on July 16, 2010, 10:58:42 PM
I too received a LiPo from Hong Kong (DealExtreme) just yesterday. No hassles, received  it within 14 days of shipping from HK.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: vinay on July 16, 2010, 11:11:48 PM
The lipo war with HK started long back and I think this lipo war is slowly settling down already. I have also ordered lipos, but one item was back ordered. Just wondering how it goes. Hope all goes well when it gets shipped.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: ujjwaana on July 17, 2010, 03:15:21 PM
Wow!! My last packet with 2x 3S 2200mAh ordered from HK  and shipped thru Swiss post is still at large. Whatever, but HK shipping sucks most of the time... only who beats them is DealXtreme.

hope things change..


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: atul_pg on July 17, 2010, 03:21:54 PM
my parcel order status earlier was showing as shipped through swiss post with a docket no. and next day I check my status again viola its shipped through hongkong post ?

I emailed them and to my despair my parcel has still not been received by hobbycity so no chance of them sending it back to me with another courier..





Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anam_funny on July 17, 2010, 09:42:27 PM
Hello Atul,
So your parcel came to India and it just went back? If so, then did you get any information or reason from the authorities that why is it sent back?

How did you concluded that the rule you are talking about has been passed?
And if anyone's parcel will be going back, I should also mention that you will be charged for the shipping.
Indian Post will send back the parcel. When it is recieved by HobbyKing, they will inform you about the parcel return and give you store credits for the parcel cost minus the shipping (From India to Hong Kong, charged by Indian Post- which is paid by hobbyKing when they recieve the parcel).

I think you should get a letter from the authorities that your parcel is being sent back and you should get time to defend your case....


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: atul_pg on July 18, 2010, 10:19:43 AM
Hi,

no the parcel left hobbycity and from their own hongkong post it was returned back to them..I have emailed them about the status but no answer till now.



Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anam_funny on July 18, 2010, 10:39:43 AM
then it means that there was some issue regarding the address. Sometimes there is a problem regarding the customs declaration at Hong Kong airport itself. Because there are strict rules at Hong Kong itself.
If it had been in India, you would have got a notice or a call from the authorities for sure. Once it reaches India, the status is available on IPS Web Tracking system. So if any status is available, then it surely went back from India and the indian authorities are responsible. If not then it means that there was some issue from either Hobbycity or Hong Kong Post. You can check Mumbai post or foreign post office for your region. They might have some information.

Whatever you do, please do not go for a refund request at HobbyCity straight away. They do not take it in a positive way and will refund you partially, so  no point giving your money to them just for nothing... Just ask them the status and request them to send them again. My parcel containing 6-7 Lipos reached Mumbai Post on 10July and is being sent to me without any hastle.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: saikat on July 18, 2010, 10:50:17 AM
I just received lipos from HC yesterday - no issues.

Two more parcels containing lipos on the way.



Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: atul_pg on July 19, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
This is the reply that I got back from hobbycity..

Dear customer,

Thank you for your email.

Please note that if your order was sent back due to large batteries, we will refer to other shipping company such as Swiss post to send your order. And it will take one more week  for transit compare with the normal shipment.

If you have any further questions, please don't  hesitate to contact us!
 
Sincerely yours,

Jenny

HobbyKing Customer Support Team
www.hobbyking.com


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: sandeepm on July 19, 2010, 04:57:17 PM
Here i again feel Lucky as i got my parcel on Saturday, safely......routed via swiss somewhere........
now i have a stock of:
corona 35 mhz      2 Nos
HXt900                13 Nos
HXT500               6 Nos.
Motors                3 Nos.
Plastic parts         big stock
battery                5 Nos.
wheels                 15 nos     different sizes
wheel stopper        2 mm      20 Nos
Hinges                  40 Nos     different sizes
HXT 60 connectors  10  Nos ...
Prop                      23 Nos     different sizes all GWS
 ;D ;D ;D  (:|~ (:|~
and many other small parts to come soon...will wait for them also...........
    


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anwar on July 19, 2010, 05:40:44 PM
Are you opening a store ? ;D


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: sandeepm on July 19, 2010, 06:06:19 PM
No, This is purely for personal use only.... but yes in case of requirement by other and not of my use i may think of selling them...


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: vinay on July 20, 2010, 08:48:46 AM
Even my charger got shipped and left HKong within 5 days of booking.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: Sreedhar on July 20, 2010, 08:52:38 AM
Guys I have a question... do u guys split the packages?? If so at what price do u split like 50$ 70$ 100$ etc???


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: atul_pg on July 20, 2010, 01:26:05 PM
An Update -

My parcel is on its way and is in Singapore at the moment. So not sure how many more days but at least its on the way by swiss post.

HC is surely focusing on customer service. All my emails were promptly replied too..

Kool..So there you go..

All Is Well..


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: vinay on July 20, 2010, 02:07:03 PM
Use the Chat option. its way better. U get instant relief!  ;D


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anwar on October 09, 2010, 06:06:22 PM
They have only mentioned that anything sent by hongkong post containing lipo batteries are sent back to them but they are arranging to send them "maybe" by swiss post.. 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704285104575492212976583750.html
http://chicagobreakingbusiness.com/2010/10/faa-cargo-hold-heat-can-ignite-lithium-ion-batteries.html

Consumer electronics will get affected. So will RC.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: iamahuman on October 09, 2010, 09:31:49 PM
WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

 :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
How will I get lipos and a turnigy accucel??????????


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: buzz_rc on October 09, 2010, 10:11:49 PM
I'm sure they'll find a solution to that soon, afterall lithium batteries are used to power various other devices and not just for rc.....


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: bmanoj2 on October 10, 2010, 10:28:25 AM
A local FM channel reported today morning that the Ill fated UPS cargo plane crashed in Dubai few weeks back was due to a Lipo Battery fire. The thick smoke and fire generated point fingers to the typical Lipo fire/explosion. Not a promising discovery at all for the RC world. This may bring more restriction to the shipment of Lipo batteries. HC is already restricting the number of pieces per order. The investigation revealed that the thick smoke in the cockpit made it impossible for the pilots to see the runway or the instrument panels. :(


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anam_funny on October 10, 2010, 01:19:52 PM
Since I have been in this hobby, there have been posts throughout India related to ban on LiPo transport and stuff.

I would like to put my point forward. Li-xx is not only used in RC, but in Laptops, Mobiles and now even in Solar Powered Vehicles. There can not be a ban on Li-xx battery transport, be it through AIR, SEA OR SURFACE.

All the mishaps in the past have been due to faulty manufacture of batteries. The worst outcome of a mishap due to a Li-xx Battery accident is the BAN on the Manufucturer or restrictions on the transport.

I have not come accross any article or report which says "FINALLY" BAN ON LI-XX BATTERY TRANSPORT...

Now, in India, 90% of the people order through HobbyKing or HobbyCity, whatever you call it. There is no BAN on the LiPo battery courier. There have been restrictions. Any parcel containing LiPos with a total capacity more than 3000Mah, will be sent through Swiss Post. That is the only restriction. As far as any LHS are concerned, they will say that the situation will worsen with HK. Please do not listen to them. Have a talk with the companies directly, they know more about the situation as compared to the LHS...

Please order your batteries or whatever you want to order and do not spread all these posts throughout the Forums unless you face a problem PERSONALLY...

I REQUEST ALL OF THE MEMBERS TO PLEASE STOP ALL THE POSTS RELATED TO LIPO BAN OR ANYTHING... UNLESS THERE IS AN ACTUAL RULING ON THE BAN...



Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: CrazyPilot on October 10, 2010, 01:38:47 PM
Very well said Anam Bhai. I have been ordering lipos from HK for a long time now. Never had any problem. Also the restriction is above 4500mah or 1.85Kg weight ( over this they use swiss post). Have u checked the price of LIPOS with LHS? Its ridiculously high even after adding postal & custom charges almost 4 times the HK price. All the posts about lipo ban or whatever might be a desperate attempt to lure customers into buying from them.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anam_funny on October 10, 2010, 01:46:33 PM
Yes, that can be... and at HK, I was talking about the new restriction, if the total LiPo capacity is more than 3000mah, it will be shipped through Swiss Post. This is the most recent update I am talking about. Whatever the restriction might be, there will be no problem in ordering battery, be it any battery, on any website...


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anwar on October 10, 2010, 01:50:22 PM
I am not sure which side (or who) is making this a commercial issue now. All the recent posts are meant to show that there could be SOME restrictions on lithium battery (not just lip) shipment in the near future,


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: CrazyPilot on October 10, 2010, 01:53:22 PM
i just checked  & ordered some batteries and here is the update:-

Shipping Li-Poly batteries by Air Parcel
Due to air safety regulations, parcels with a total battery capacity of more than 4500mAh cannot be sent via 'Air Parcel'.
Please select Air Mail, EMS Express, UPS, DPD, or DHL where available.

You can reduce the lipo capacity ordered, or order from one of HobbyKings US, EU or AU warehouses without limitation.

Options.
1) Order via EMS Express, UPS, DPD, Air Mail or DHL if available.
2) Reduce total battery capacity to under 4500mAh.
3) Order from Hobbyking.com DE, US or AU warehouse if available.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anam_funny on October 10, 2010, 02:02:45 PM
There is no commercial issue Anwar. I am just against these post related to MIGHT BE A BAN ON LIPO IMPORT or something.

This is actually leaving a bad impact on some of the RC people. I have come accross these people myself.

Please post these threads if anyone of you have a proof or strong point that THERE IS A BAN...


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anwar on October 10, 2010, 02:52:24 PM
No body on this thread so far has mentioned "ban".  The discussion is only around "restrictions", some of which are already in place (like in the above post), and more are certainly to come (at least from the US side).  And this will affect all electronics that depend on lithium cells.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: clayboy on October 10, 2010, 02:55:35 PM
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/aircarrier_info/media/airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf

this is for american airlines but i think most airlines will practise this.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anam_funny on October 10, 2010, 03:49:20 PM
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/aircarrier_info/media/airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf

this is for american airlines but i think most airlines will practise this.

This restriction is only limited to the passanger planes. the lipos which are sent out in our orders are sent out in cargo planes. the difference being that they do not have much passangers apart from the crew.

At present, no matter how many restrictions are imposed in Li-xx batteries, they are the present and future to the battery world, you will not face any major problems in getting the batteries from any of the websites...


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: clayboy on October 10, 2010, 03:53:31 PM
well i am flying a lot and normally bring a heli and 8 to 12 4200-5000 6s batteries, so that is it for me


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anwar on October 10, 2010, 04:13:35 PM
The whole point is that restrictions are coming on cargo flights too, based on the recent events.  And restrictions do not imply unavailability.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: bmanoj2 on October 10, 2010, 05:29:05 PM
This is the message you get if you order Li XX battery more than 4500 mah in total form Hobby King: And I dont think sharing such information in a form will bring any added restriction. Like Anwar Gi pointed out "restrictions are coming on cargo flights too".
Shipping Li-Poly batteries by Air Parcel
Due to air safety regulations, parcels with a total battery capacity of more than 4500mAh cannot be sent via 'Air Parcel'.
Please select Air Mail, EMS Express, UPS, DPD, or DHL where available.

You can reduce the lipo capacity ordered, or order from one of HobbyKings US, EU or AU warehouses without limitation.

Options.
1) Order via EMS Express, UPS, DPD, Air Mail or DHL if available.
2) Reduce total battery capacity to under 4500mAh.
3) Order from Hobbyking.com DE, US or AU warehouse if available.


Title: Hongkong Post bans air mailing of lipos
Post by: ved on November 15, 2010, 09:42:15 AM
I have heard on rc model reviews that Hongkong post have cracked down the airmailing of lipo and lithum battries. HobbyKing has advised customers "to avoid ordering large Lipoly battery (above 2200mAh) for the next 14 days". Is this true ? Then what about the r/c fliers who depend upon these battries?


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: anwar on November 15, 2010, 10:30:45 AM
Merged into existing thread that discusses the same issue.


Title: Re: Lipo shipment using air parcel
Post by: Prad on November 22, 2011, 02:02:34 PM
electric models are doomed , unless someone gets bulk shipments in protective packages used for hazardous material .
 prad