Hi Guys,

I'm looking at buying a couple of these for a Slash. Any feedback?

http://www.rcbazaar.com/products/1745-wolfpack-2200mah-35c-74v.aspx

Ignore the mah. The link is only to show you the product.

I intend to use it till I can get better Lipos shipped in or bought locally. In the meanwhile Gandhar is helping me scout for a good quality Lipo. But I'd like to keep the wolfpack option open because its easily available locally.

P.S - These are not the wolfpack sold by reedy. No idea who manufactures these. RCbazaar didn't seem to have a clue when I called.

Looking forward to your feedback.

Thanks!

a few obvious questions that come to my mind are:-

(a) is 35C enough for car, burst 40C too seems inadequate
(b) are these Chinese batt actually 35C as claimed ?
(c) i have a wolf Pack, its internal resistance is higher than Zippy and much higher than nanotech
(d) Surprisingly, Indpower batt of RCDhamaka has the least internal resistance, lesser than the nanotechs that i have (I have more than 15 nanotechs)

anyone has contrary experience please share

The stock Lipo provided by Traxxas is rated for 25C. My plan is to run two lipos in parrallel. Which should theoretically double the C rating. But as you mentioned, its a good idea to take these ratings with a pinch of salt, especially since this is a cheap chinese model. But I'm guessing with two in parrallel, I should atleast have 40C constant. I may be way off target though

Also I'm not going to be running full throttle. I've had my savage for a long while now and its never seen a full throttle!

I looked at Indpower too. But 2S is not in stock. My only option there is to run two 3S 3300mah 20C in parrallel. But I really dont want 3S speeds.

I'm mainly looking at durability and decent run-times.

Where do you usually buy your batteries? Shipped in or hand carried? Suggest me a good place to order. I'm leaning towards hobbieking or amain. What do you suggest?

Thanks a ton for replying!

You can avoid the 3s speeds by setting the Throttle EPA appropriately

I don't think the stock esc supports fine tuning, or does it? I thought the only option was training mode which just limits throttle to 50%

The EPA is an adjustment you make on your Tx.

You're on the right path, not taking C ratings seriously. Yes, a 20C lipo has lesser punch than a 40C lipo BUT a 150C lipo is not a 150C lipo.

@Rajath: I advised against 3s because the stock power system is not very comfortable on 3s. It would require re-gearing and the VXL-3s does not have the greatest reputation running on 3s.

Oh ok.. I wasn't aware the stock radio had EPA adjustments. I know this is a long shot - but does the stock esc have punch control? I don't want 3s to shred the powertrain. Or is the slipper my only option?

One of the main reasons I want to go parallel is so that I can maintain a decent C rating.

The VXL-3s has no punch control. The best punch control is your throttle finger.

EPA is an easy way to limit power and is an available on nearly all modern radios. I'm sure your radio has it.

My finger's been known to have a mind of its own! If only it was as dependable and responsible as punch control :p

The HPI Tx has dual rate and trim controls. No EPA. So I assumed its not there on the traxxas as well. I'm guessing between EPA and Training mode, I should be able to find a sweet spot for 3S. However if wolfpack is as good as indpower, I should be able to find a good 2S setup..

I'd follow rcpilotacro's suggestion and wait for the Ind power packs. The 5200 mah 2s 40C I saw at RCD were pretty good. If you get them, let us know how they work out.

I guess I'll do that. The prices are almost the same as well.

If I'm not mistaken, the Ind power packs were around INR 2200, right?

The 3S 5200mah 20C costs Rs.2156. I'm thinking along the lines of 2 X 2S 2200mah 20C. Currently 2200 is the maximum capacity listed for 2S.

But none of this is available. The only remotely suitable one available is 3S 3300mah 20C.

When did he say he'd get the 5200mAh 2s 40C ones? I'd wait for them.

Hi All,

I've been using the WolfPack 4200mah 35C pack for a week now and its held up pretty well.

Run times are in the vicinity of 30-35min. Don't have exact run times but it gives me around 1.5 hours worth of bashing fun. This includes full throttle runs, jumps, hard braking, time spent on roof etc.

I'll check the IR and post it here later on.

Also, it barely climbs above ambient temperature. (Measured, not guessed.) The motor and ESC stay at 130F and 100-120F respectively.

Its done 4 cycles and so far so good. Will keep updating this thread with new findings.

It might have been a bad peice, but i had a 3S Wolfpack die in only 2 weeks, in only 4-5 cycles (one cell went dead, not holding charge).

dheeraj..not sure if you are aware... there is a 2 months replace warranty on all wolfpack batteries.. if you have any issues pls write back to helpdesk@rcbazaar.com send the lipo back with your order...

yes this might be a bad piece as we have had some great feedback from our customers on this batteries...
sujju

Hi Sujju,

I bought this pack long back, and though service from RcBazaar has been nothing short of excellent, but in this occasion i was told that there is no warranty on LiPo, so i just let it go. I am till buying from RcBazaar

pls do return the lipo... and a new one will be sent to you.. we will state this on our website too about the warranty as it will help all this ambiguity... 

sujju

Thanks Sujju, will do.

Hi Sujju,

Its nice of you to clear the confusion. I think the staff at the store should be made aware of this as well. They made it clear to me that there is no warranty on Wolfpack products. Lipo or Chargers for that matter. It was the main reason I bought only the basic charger and one battery.

Can you confirm if the chargers have warranty? I am looking to buy a decent charger (b6sac) and the warranty is the only thing that puts me off.

Thanks!

Tassem.

I bought a 2S 4200 mah 35C lipo and the B6sac charger from RCBazzar about a month back. Been running it on the revenge since 2 weeks. The battery must have run for about 8 cycles till now. Have had no issues. The run time on the revenge is good. About 40 mins( approximate  guess) with a good amount of full throttle. The charger is also good with no issues till now.

I have been using the wolfpack 2200 mah pack in series for quite some time now with my hiller 500 great batteries have had no problems at all .....it may sound funny but 2200 20c pack provided a good punch  for a 500

Thanks for chiming in guys. The wolfpack I have (2S 30C 4200) is going strong with about 10 cycles on it so far.

If it continues to perform, I have no doubt I'll be getting more!

Taseem... Where do you run your vehicle in bangalore?

Hey! There's a lot of open dirt land near my apartment on Begur Road. That's usually where I run.

What about you?

How are wolfpack batteries that you guys bought working now?
I'm planing to buy this
http://www.rcbazaar.com/products/2267-wolfpack-4200mah-35c-148v.aspx
is this reliable?

I wanted to buy 4s 35c 4000mah zippy lipo but it is not available on any Indian site.
Does anyone know if there is any piece to sell?

Wolfpacks may not be great.
The first one i got from rcbazaar was bad.
But they gave me a new one AT ONCE.
i returned the bad one only 3 months later.
The replacement Wolfpack IS ABS FINE.

http://www.rcproduct.in/zippy-lipoly-batteries/16-zippy-flightmax-4000mah-3s1p-20c.html
Try this.

I need 4s only

Oops

i bought 2 of them and damaged one on a crash, the crashed one lasts longer than the good one,
and it always reads as 3S battery in a ESC though both were 2S only. Crazy batteries.
Yet good and Cheap.
Zippy are costly but good.

We do have a 4S 40C Zippy in stock but it's 3000mah.

http://www.ebay.in/itm/ZIPPY-Flightmax-3000mAh-4S1P-40C-LiPo-/190967155169?pt=IN_Toys_Games_School_Stuff&hash=item2c768789e1#ht_2109wt_1188

My transmitter Lipo Avionic 2200mah,11.1V, has swollen and discharges extremely fast about 4-5months old,not happy with that

you are selling it for double the price. on HK it is just 32$

Wolf pack lipos cannot handle high discharge even if it's below their rated capacity. And yes if ur unlucky it will go bad soon. I don't know what was purpose of selling such grade batteries. Only name goes down amongst hobbyist who know their stuff. Sad but honest reply. IND power work well regardless of it costing lesser.

@desairaj
It because we don't just pay the cost of the product but we do have to cover a range of other expenses as well.

FedEx Shipping cost (From HK to India)
FedEx Customs clearance charges
Actual Customs Charges
Taxes

All of these make the price go beyond what you see on HK's website.

Why fedex? Why ship to India from hk in a week and put it on sale for months? U can use registered airmail. For Lipos.
 For 4000 u can buy 2 Rcdhamaka 4s 2200 lipos(big ones out of stock)and still save money. If Rcdhamaka had stock most of the time . No one would have had the chance to sell their lipos at stupid prices.

Performace of Airmal degrades quite a lot during this time of the year. So we have been opting FedEx over it for the moment.

Moreover FedEx or Airmail doesn't put a big impact on the pricing. The main culprit here in this case is the huge Duties and taxes from Indian Government.
You you are willing to do a long run business in India, you can't even think about evading duties or taxes.

That's why you don't see HK Products with LHS's operating from long time (and legally) in India.
They are forced to find products cheaper than HK's otherwise their prices will also be considered 'Stupid'.



May i know the C Rating of the LiPo you're talking about here?

C rating u speak of Is 20 c. So is a 40c suppose to be twice the cost? See the point is its 32$ in hk and 4k in ur eBay. A 2200 4s 20c cost 16.38. Price here is 1650. So 2 2200 in parallel form a 40c 4400 4s while ur selling 40c 3000 4s. So. we are calculating per dollar in rupees. Resorting to C rating won't help.
Any wise guy looking to do long term business wouldn't be buying from hobbyking but from suppliers instead.
FedEx or airmail. That does make a impact worth considering. We are not sitting ducks doing nothing. Some of us know how things work.  And hk products are not superior to others, I fact it is inferior. They make the cheapest quality products amongst all well known companies. LHSes dnt buy from hk because they can get wholesale rate of similar products coming from same factories or better. Continuing to buy from hk instead of supplier is stupid. Prices are considered stupid when it's stupid.
-not 40c, 20c only when in parallel.

you are wrong you need 4 batteries to get 4s 4400mah lipo

nitesh sorry, do calculate again.

2 in parallel and 2 in series.
Very rude

There is no need to get rude here. Where is the provocation? I think an apology is in order

Sorry nitesh I don't think series connection is required.
Edit- 2 4s 2200 in parallel gives 4400 20c + 20c 4s . I cannot connect I series as I don't want an 8s. Rudeness is like sharpening a pencil when blunt. That's how I take it.

Oh sorry my mistake tought you are talking about 2s batteries I apoligise.
read the post carefully

Pravesh... what do you mean that the wolfpack lipos are below their rated capacity?... do you have any sufficient proof to back up this claim??.... if yes state this here and we will change our supplier the next day...... we have loads of customers and I personally myself have been using the wolfpack for a year plus now without any issues and this is the purpose of selling the lipos and we cut our margins for people like to you benefit and this is the purpose for selling these lipos at this price...
this time we have gone way beyond our means and are selling 25C lipos (from past 2 weeks) at the same price of 20C and even with hike in the usd....

put a justification to your claim and i will step back politely... and for the benefit of others there are only a handful of companies that "manufacturer" lipos in china but the cells are assembled in umpteen number of units...

sujju

@Pravesh
C Rating certainly makes a difference in pricing irrespective of the brand.
If the Advertised C rating is genuine then it will make even bigger difference. (It still won't be twice though)

Furthermore commonly used LiPo sizes like 2200mah tend to be cheaper than other LiPo sizes almost everywhere.

Base cost of $32 in HK + $8 Shipping = $40
$40 into INR with Bank's Currency conversion charges = INR 2600
+ 30% Customs = 3380
+10% ebay selling charges +VAT + Customs Clearance charges

and the remaining is our profit.

We don't have a VAT registration yet but we are in order of getting it. And once we do get it, we will have to pay VAT for all these older transactions as well.
That's what the law says. You don't necessarily need to have a VAT# if your yearly turnover is less than 5 lacs. But once you cross it, you need to get a VAT ID and ofcourse have to pay all VAT whether old or new.

Unfortunately I can clearly see that you're not putting the legal points in consideration.  


Coming to the point how does legally established LHS are able to sell at a lower rate.
The trick here is to keep the base cost as low as possible. The % still remains the same but all the amounts becomes quite low due to lower base cost. Unfortunately at times it means degraded quality.

As a matter of fact we are going to do the same very soon.
Can't help it. Customers are forcing us to do it by terming our prices as 'Stupid'
If you prefer price over quality then we will serve you price and forget about quality.

Quality se yaad aaya. I highly believe that HK generally price a product according to it's quality.
I am sure you must have seen
the difference in quality of connectors like T-Connector, XT60, Bullet connectors, etc from HK and legal LHS's in India
Difference in quality between the ESC's from HK and legal LHS's in India
Difference in quality/Features between Bixler and silimar models from legal LHS's in India
Difference in quality/Features between Multi Rotor frames from HK and legal LHS's in India
even Difference between wire gauge on LiPo's from HK and legal LHS's in India
and many more.

I am not indicating that HK is anywhere close to perfect. They do have ridiculously higher prices on many products too but a fair part of products have justified prices

All i am saying is that if you need to do legal business in India then you have to get the average to cheaper quality products and still face criticism from the customers.
Legally selling High Quality products definitely seems quite impossible in the current scenario.

Rcbazaar-Yep . Not much factories there. I know.
Mah ratings maybe fine. But c rating are below capacity. I had this experience long back when I bought 2 lipos. I have no back up to proove unless I go and search hoskote field for those. Please ask 'experienced' hobbyist for feed back without sending them one to review for free. It does fine under light load but little more and u can see symptoms.
Please keep ur margins u deserve it, maybe use it on producing better batch. I dnt mind buying things that work.

  4s 2200mah 20c
+4s 2200mah 20c
---------------------
=4s 4400mah
20c or 40c?
 

Sujju, you can find out the internal resistance of the Lipo's of different brands claiming the same C rating and find out which is the best.
Usually batteries of different companies vary in internal resistance, though they claim the same C rating.

my only issue was the claim of you stating we selling these at C rating without proper back up.... pls do some work rather than hearsay... regarding experienced flyers i have been in this hobby for just more than 32 years now.... these lipos have been tested at factory levels (unless the factory tends to cheat us by sending wrong C rating after testing the samples)... and yes developments will never stop and comments for yours are not taken in a negate manner ...
rome was not built in a day... we have still a long way to reach and we have just learnt to crawl from past 2 and half years...


Sujju

I don't speak for the heck of it. I get nothing out of it. I don't like to waste my money. I gave suggestions so that others don't have to waste their. Call it hearsay Hershey's what ever u like. I am 22 years old holding a remote since 1999. I love spending money on rc stuffs but hate it when shit doesn't work. I don't want a replacement battery etc from u all. All I want is if I ever run out of lipos I can buy some locally (Rcb is 10 mins away) without having a doubt etc.

Think of it as a diameter of a pipe is 20c . 1 pipe + 1 pipe=2(1pipes)

Edit- this is wrong. It will be 20c only as the diameter is same for its specific capacity.

India hobby shop . U have  lots to learn
I took 2200 example as it was in stock . Check their site there is more batts. If u call hk a quality store then u must not have had much Rc experience.
Don't compare hk plugs. Have u ever seen a packet of original deans plug.? lol
Remember- dnt forget hk is not high quality. Average yes.
Yes true. Comparing bixler to easy star is not fair as bixler has stolen genes from ezsystar, bixler is copied design and easy star being genuine. Easy star cost 5500 apx.
Try the suppliers route once. Maybe ul see it's not as stupid. But when dealing with suppliers u need to have lots of knowledge urself.  Hobbyking is a retail store with some of their own brands. Why buy from retail store and sell. They also get from factories just like ur future suppliers . Quality is important as is price. But if u charge a lot for cheap stuffs saying tax etc it's ur fault . Pull up ur socks and get a supplier as from a supplier ul get similar stuff as hk for much lesser.
U think hobbyking has their own factories to produce their stuff? They get it from factories.

Think of it as a diameter of a pipe is 20c . 1 pipe + 1 pipe=2(1pipes)

What
Didn't expected this from a member with Advanced Skills

The above calculation can only imply on the Storage capacity (mAh) and not on the C Ratings.

FYI
4s 2200mah 20c + 4s 2200mah 20c = 4s 4400mah 20C and NOT 40C
For the sake of Hobby, Please get the basics rights.

Yes. U are right . My bad. I have to learn maths.
Edit- Yes I got it, for the sake of this hobby. Hah.
Now for the sale of this hobby get a supplier. Ul do well.

Long back I added 2 in parallel and tested wattmeter reading. Gave high discharge than regular 20c but I forgot it was 4400 mah now. So it stays 20c name wise but discharge is doubled as is capacity. but never ended up using it.

edit again- advanced was what i selected when i joined, i feel my knowledge/skills is there but i do miss out on some, and i learn everyday, but that doesnt mean im a beginner. thats it.  i come from nitro,nicd,nimh. im not so advanced with lipos. but thanks to u.

No Issues, pal


Yes, have already stated that earlier. As a matter of fact the shipment is already on the way and the products will go live soon (Within 10 days)

Don't compare hk plugs. Have u ever seen a packet of original deans plug.? lol
Don't know the Original Deans Plugs you're talking about here. But we have seen and sold T-Connectors/XT-60 connectors/Bullet connectors from HK and they are a lot better in quality.

HK is a combination is Low quality, Average Quality and High Quality
We have brought about 600 different types of products from HK and we're talking with the little experience that we have that when we compared these products with those from Legal LHS and Chinese Suppliers, we found quality of HK's products being much more than that of Legal LHS and Chinese Suppliers.
Currently we do have 250+ types of products live on our eBay store.

Yes true. Comparing bixler to easy star is not fair as bixler has stolen genes from ezsystar, bixler is copied design and easy star being genuine. Easy star cost 5500 apx.
The discussion here is about the price and not the Design Copying, whether genuine or not, Isn't it?

I did provided the detailed calculation of taxes but somehow you're are not recognizing it. Can't explain in a better way.
Indian Government charing 30% import tax is not our fault, if we don't pay it then it will be.
Indian Government charing VAT/CST tax is not our fault, if we don't pay it then it will be.
eBay charging 10% selling charging is kind of our fault. We're soon moving to our own shopping cart www.indianhobbyshop.com (Currently under development)

We indeed have been selling about 50 types of products from Chinese Suppliers and we didn't liked quality on any of those over HK's
But since price is the most important factor in India, we will be reducing HK products and increasing these Chinese Suppliers Products with us.

U think hobbyking has their own factories to produce their stuff? They get it from factories.
You don't need to explain this to a LHS. We all know that.

For some reason i do see you complaining all the time and bashing other fellow members.
Some Anger Management via Yoga can help in the long run. Concentration power is a great stuff.
Just a suggestion. No Hard feelings

haha. yep i complain a lot, my nature is to be completely satisfed or nothing. thanks for u suggestion but no, it keeps unnecessary people away from me.
there are lot of others to fill  the 'awesome' 'nice' 'oh so sweet', adding one more(me) is waste.
xt60 connectors are best from hk becasue it is their connectors. easy star is cheaper than bixler in india even tho its the opposite in the world. lol. thats the point im making, how are some lhses selling many genuine products for much lesser and almost on par with hobbyking/othercheapshitchinese products and price of hk/etc seems to rise everyday thru some excuse or other.
i know for u, ur prices are justified but from other persons view, its high price and no one has time to ask u for tax returns etc or fedex. one thing about chinese is that their product/work/quality is directly proportional to the mooneey. period. if u know as all lhses do that hk gets from factories how are bullet plug of same factory thru a different supplier different in quality, from hk i have bought about 100 dif items myself in x quantites, while hk being least favorite shop. once u move out of ebay and hk ur prices might be nice, to move to suppliers and get good stuffs quantity/capitol is larger as well. end of the day ur price is high, no hard feelings.

I started this topic so that Finally i can get a battery for my project which will be worth the money as i cannot waste even 10rs(this is a college project without any funding) but I still don't have any help.

Some have given their experience with those batteries in their own posts after ur post.  Do read them carefully and decide.  I think few reviews are enough to understand it, we can't spoon feed u.