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Title: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: docnayeem on December 11, 2013, 03:23:52 PM
This is my first self designed electric glider ....
Specs :
Fuselage length 22 in
Wing span 38 in
Cord 5.5 in
H. Stab 10*6
V. Stab 8*6
Electric setup : Motor 2623 3000 kV
ESC 25 amp
Battery 2 cell 1800 mAm
Total weight : 460 GMs
Material used : All coro

All the dimensions are taken with standard proportions.

* I think I have messed up with wing loading ....

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Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: Aeroempire on December 11, 2013, 03:26:15 PM
Great plane 👍👍👍.
Post flying video soon :)


Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: FlyingBrick on December 11, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
Nice build. :)
How did you re-inforce the T joint on the V stab, how steady is it?


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Post by: docnayeem on December 11, 2013, 04:10:45 PM
Its stuck with 2 coro  pieces and cyno and is quite sturdy

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Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: vishalrao on December 11, 2013, 04:48:07 PM
Your wing doesn't have a dihedral and it doesn't have ailerons too. Pretty sure you will have a tough time controlling it.


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Post by: docnayeem on December 11, 2013, 05:10:09 PM
@vishalrao ... As it is I have messed up with the wing loading ... So planning a poly dihedral of 6 to 8 in on both edges of the wings ..  What do you think ? ... Thanks for the input

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Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: manojswizera on December 11, 2013, 05:38:16 PM
You can just cut out the Ailerons now also. ;)


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Post by: docnayeem on December 11, 2013, 06:13:49 PM
That's a good option .... It won't take care of the excess wing loading though ....

 

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Post by: docnayeem on December 11, 2013, 07:39:56 PM
Hey ... Any one on the wing loading maths ...
 That's been pricking me .... The value turns out to be 9.9 cube wing loading. And ideal glider wing loafing figure is under 5 .... Mine is almost double .... This is the maths part .... But experts on board .... Please ...advise

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Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: EricOliver on December 11, 2013, 09:25:33 PM
First of all ..well done gr8 plane :)...your wingspan is 9.26 oz/cu.ft to be exact ( according to online calculator) usually beginners are advised to choose cubic loading no greater than 8 but since its close enough no worries.....as suggested by one of the members above do cut an aileron...as you are a beginner you should practice with ailerons first...if you have an extra servo just cut the ailerons out...if you dont hav an extra servo you can swap the rudder servo as you dont need rudder right now....as i too dont use rudder im also on a learning stage for planes...you can see my first plane here http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/my-new-spad-hell-on-stick-(-no-rails)-))))/

Plus you can refer to this page for calculations an design help....

http://adamone.rchomepage.com/design.htm


Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: Aeroempire on December 11, 2013, 09:30:19 PM
U can also go for web0calc, great online calculator for planes


Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: EricOliver on December 11, 2013, 09:32:49 PM
Ive never tried webocalc....ive tried ecalc...does webocalc have data abt turnigy motors...??...ecalc has but not all ..


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Post by: docnayeem on December 11, 2013, 09:35:20 PM
@EricOliver thanks for your suggestions ...
 Will do the aileron part but am thinking to do it after a test flight as I want to confirm I don't need more wing area ... What do u say ?

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Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: EricOliver on December 11, 2013, 10:37:03 PM
No you are fine with 9.26 loading ...no worries go for maiden :)


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Post by: docnayeem on December 11, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
@EricOliver That boosts my confidence... Thanks will keep posted ....

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Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: EricOliver on December 11, 2013, 10:57:45 PM
Just go for maiden....and post videos so if anything goes wrong we can identify.... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: wingman4ever on December 11, 2013, 11:19:21 PM
hii please before take off do the glide rest first by hand usually i do the that before takeoff..incase any load shifting...please do i tby chuking with full force and ensure weather it gets stall or dive ...if you aware about the glide test...all the best....


Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: EricOliver on December 11, 2013, 11:20:29 PM
Yea n one more thing have you balanced and checked the cg..?


Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: wingman4ever on December 11, 2013, 11:22:23 PM
please try the the extra tip in dihidral angle by adding extra coro of same shape at both the wings end... will help at the time flying...and prevent from wing drop at turns.....


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Post by: docnayeem on December 12, 2013, 09:35:49 AM
@wingman4ever...
 Thanks for the input... Had given a glider trial with out the load ( battery ESC Rx and motor ) had glided well and about tip dihedral was thinking in same Lines will do that ..
 Thanks again

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Post by: docnayeem on December 12, 2013, 09:37:20 AM
@EricOliver .... The CG is a bit (1in ) behind where it should be ... So adding a bit of weight on the nose ( nut ) ..
 

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Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: manojswizera on December 12, 2013, 10:01:44 AM
Instead of adding dead weight, move the battery to get correct CG.


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Post by: docnayeem on December 12, 2013, 10:12:13 AM
@swizera ... Actually there is no scope for any forward battery movement ... That's y I had to resort to dead weight

 

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Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: EricOliver on December 12, 2013, 11:17:54 AM
While adjusting cg always try to remove weight adding more wt will worsen the cg...and will have hard time balancing....


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Post by: docnayeem on December 12, 2013, 11:25:02 AM
@EricOliver...then
 I have to reduce the tail ..
 V stab and H stab ... But that will mess up with my proportions ... Should I ?

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Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: EricOliver on December 12, 2013, 11:58:03 AM
No that dosnt meant removing those...i meant try to remove things which is not really required tht just adds up wt.... Or by shifting the battery will do


Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: RCNeil21 on December 12, 2013, 12:08:07 PM
Also a minor adjustment i would do is cover the LE of the H stab and V stab as open flutes might obstruct the flow of air over the surface of the tail feathers. ;)


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Post by: docnayeem on December 12, 2013, 02:02:03 PM
@RCNeil21 Thanks ... Will do that ...

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Title: Re: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: docnayeem on December 13, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
Hello there ...
 As per suggestions and advise of my expert board mates ....
Changes in wing design done
1 dihedrals added 6 in each side
2 aileron added .....
That should be good I guess .....
Inputs still welcome ....
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Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: EricOliver on December 13, 2013, 07:07:04 PM
Awesome :) now just hit the sky good luck :)


Title: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: aman1256 on December 13, 2013, 07:54:26 PM
Awesome wish you happy flying in sky :)


Title: Re: Re: 1st self designed electric glider ..... Need expert Suggestions before maiden
Post by: docnayeem on December 13, 2013, 08:16:07 PM
:D

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Post by: docnayeem on December 13, 2013, 08:16:19 PM
Wish me luck

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