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« on: October 12, 2009, 02:39:32 PM »
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As Suggested by Anwar  here goes :

My rating :
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Multiplex Easy Cub
Multiplex Easy Star
GWS Slow Stick

Scratch Build :
Blu Baby
Tuffy.
Mr MOSS  Grin

All others able could add their opinion and Anwar could help to consolidate it later
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 02:54:15 PM »
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Note that this thread was started as a combination with the following radio and power system bundle.

http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/rcforall-fs-t-4-a-2-4-g-radio-(tx-rx-)-now-available-for-rs-2700/msg7460/#msg7460
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 04:56:45 PM »
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sai one small suggestion instead of putting blu-baby n tuffy under scratch build

it should come under something like home made from plans or DIY from plans  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 06:11:41 PM »
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What I was hoping for is one or two combos of everything a beginner needs to get started with an simple electric plane, using components that can serve him for a while (like a year or two or even more).  So the radio etc is not the simplest, but something above the simplest.  And the combos should be complete, including servos, and any type of special glue needed etc.

So basically not the most affordable (i.e. cheapest) entry point in to RC flying, but something that can be the beginning of a long term journey.  The motor etc needed to have enough watts to work with a few types of scratch builds, including the normal E300/Yak/Edge profile foam models, and also some Delta foamies.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 08:32:49 PM »
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Anwar ,

What the beginner needs with the combo is an airframe .
I might have my ideas about a beginner's plane that might not be the same as what others have experienced hence  what I have attempted with this thread  is to list beginners ARF's and Beginners scratch build  that others can add to . This will help a beginner understand which model will suit them.

Eg
1) Saju started out with a Slow stick , then built a MOSS , Tuffy  and then added a Easy Star to his hanger
2) I started with a Multiplex Easy Cub , went on to a Twin Star and am now adding a Easy Glider to my hanger.
3) I know a friend who started with a GWS Beaver , then the Tiger Moth and then GWS war birds 
4) I have known some who recommend  a Glider to be the starting point 

So not all follow the a fixed route the preferred styles of flying evolve after the first plane , but what is critical is the 1st plane .

So my objective in this thread is to list the options for the 1st plane  and I think this is what those with experience should  put down here thier experience  and suggest the first plane.

Any way since you say  for starting scratch building here are a few links.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851608
http://www.rcscratchbuilders.com/plans/rcgroupsplans.html

The Beginners planes in these links are :
Blu Baby ,
Blu Beagle
Blu Cub
Tuffy
Gym Blu
Etc etc etc

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 09:35:58 PM »
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One thing that should also be taken note of is that if a newbie decides to scratch build his airframe...in my opinion a profile foamie is the cheapest and the most easiest to build...rather than a full fuse construction. I feel they are a good point to start as a beginner..and Mr Sai is right...we all have our own liking...well from the beginning i felt that i didn't need a trainer right away...i thought i could handle a mild aerobatic plane...so i choose to make a 3D batix Diablo profile foamie with an axi 2208/32 and 7.2 v lipo...i was surprised to find that this plane meant for 3d flying was capable of flying more or less like a trainer (with a slight higher loading)...so i was happy with it as i got a mix of both

this is a good profile beginner plane:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354237
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Another simple plan : http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~mam5151/foamy/index.html
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Among the lot I would rate these to possibly be the simplest builds :
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=313475
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=338359

With a bit of imagination and scaling up a beginner could easily replicate these in Coro or foam or a combination of  both in a sandwich type construction.  Head Scratching

These with the combo ( 2 servos  Wink )  you could be airborne  for around 7K.

The best part of these is that from a beginners point of view repairs are very easy. Thumbs Up
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slow stick is a good beginner ARF
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2009, 03:35:25 PM »
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This seems to be a good one, uses only 2 servos (but you need a radio with elevon mixing). Or add a third servo for rudder and 3D style flying.

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This seems to be a good one, uses only 2 servos (but you need a radio with elevon mixing). Or add a third servo for rudder and 3D style flying.



In my opinion, a beginer plane should have the following features.
1.  as light as possible. (Low wing loading, thru large wing area may not  help always.)
(during crash, if weight is more damage is more,  since it may not always glide.)
2. It should have Dihedral wings.(Polyhedral preferred)
3. A pusher can save the prop and the motor.
4. The motor/ thrust should be  enough to recover in emergency situation.
5. Controls should be Elevator/ rudder/ Throttle. aelerons/ elevons not preferred for beginers.
6. in case of emergency, it should land safely on its own  if u cut the throttle.

Lot of plans are there in RCGROUPS and others. The trick, i think is to make them as light as possible, and to the spec incl the weight to get the maximum out of it.
Many times due to shortage/ un availability of building materials, Gear  and the glue we end up in making them 40 to 80% heavier.
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This seems to be a good one, uses only 2 servos (but you need a radio with elevon mixing). Or add a third servo for rudder and 3D style flying.




This most most difficult plane i ever flyed...
u can have a try on realflight simulator...
surely not recommended for beginners..
there are other 2 servo planes, GWS Beaver is one of them frm which i learned flying..
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I have seen someone make it from scratch in one hour, at our local club.  Depending on the size (and quality of the build), it was either very hard to fly or fairly smooth to fly.  It is easy to get disoriented if one flies far away though (due to its shape and the low height of the fins).
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2010, 01:25:11 PM »
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This most most difficult plane i ever flyed...
u can have a try on realflight simulator...
surely not recommended for beginners..
there are other 2 servo planes, GWS Beaver is one of them frm which i learned flying..

Here is a plane of the "difficult" type, but seems to be very stable.  The trick seems to be building it huge Head Scratching 

This one is about 1.8kg ! Watch the end of the video, when the transmitter rests on the plane body, to get a clear indication of the size of this plane !

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BTW, the guy should have used Ashta's "hat-cam" trick, instead of risking a crash of his model Wink
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Welcome to RC India, Vipin !

Please go through the beginners topics here, and ask us specific questions on what you need help with Smiley  The fact that you are on this thread already suggests that you are moving in the right direction !
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2011, 10:56:39 PM »
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Hello friends,
I need suggestions from all of you. After going through a lot of discussion topics and talking to few friends, I have come to a conclusion that:
It is better to start with a foam electric plane (slower,lighter less changes of breaking). Is my understanding correct? Help Me Help Me Help Me

I have also understood (from one of the beginner videos) that it is better to buy good electronics which can be reused on many airframes. As of now, I have bought Dx6i tx and receiver. Now I want to buy a airframe (all the parts cut which I will assemble) that comes without electronics + a compatible electric engine. So that I can make my first airplane with all these different parts. Please help me  all the veterans  Help Me Help Me Help Me Help Me
Am I in the right direction?? hopefully  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Hi dineshk13,

You can try and build this, this was my first plane.


http://www.rcindia.org/self-designed-diy-and-college-projects/my-first-scratch-bild-plane-(-good-for-begginers)/
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Thanks RC..
Hey guys....please chip in your inputs..
I want to consolidate on the idea and then start.. Help Me Help Me
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hi everyone. I am a newbie in this hobby. After reading your posts which i must say have been very informative i ve realised that i need a good simulator to practice on and a beginner plane like Mr Moss or Multiplex etc. Guys can u tell me which is the best place to buy these from. If i plan to build it myself where can i get the stuff from.
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Hi Nirmal,
              Please see details here on my post. My heart and mind goes with Easy star and it's Homages.
http://www.rcindia.org/beginners-zone/newbie-help-needed-!/

I have gone with Local Hobby Store here in Bangalore who is know for it's service and friendly behavior. You can try them for Simulator as well as Beginner Plane.
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