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« on: February 04, 2010, 03:43:09 PM »
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Guys,
There is a hobbyist in New Delhi, who does aerial photography using helis. Check out this website :
http://rcobserver.com/

Looks like he is using Hirobo Gas helis.. the Eagle2 GS and the other one is a Raptor with a modified skid ?

Looks cool, and great work !!

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 11:31:17 PM »
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Looks great, What kind of camera the would have used? How they have managed to provide battery for them? What kind of high resolutions transfer they have used?

Any guesses?
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2010, 11:53:22 AM »
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As you may read, they mount standard mass commodity dSLR and handy cams and not 70mm movie cameras / Large format cameras. at the nose they have put a Gyro dolly which can receive a range of cameras.

Live feed is mostly for monitor/preview with some basic camera control provided using a radio (seperate control, I presume). The actual recording still happens on the native recording medium of the the Cam (CF/SD card, Digital Tape etc). high resolution live feed is but extreemly high costly and energy consuming affiar (imagine, Cartosat have a band width of 1-2Gbps down-link!!)

These Helis are Giant!! I mean fantabulus! how much do they cost ? just for scaring my self from not to dream of owning these some day!!
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2010, 12:38:48 PM »
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Live feed is mostly for monitor/preview with some basic camera control provided using a radio (seperate control, I presume). The actual recording still happens on the native recording medium of the the Cam (CF/SD card, Digital Tape etc). high resolution live feed is but extreemly high costly and energy consuming affiar (imagine, Cartosat have a band width of 1-2Gbps down-link!!)

I got Answer for this...

See the attachment for the Transmitter and receiver system that cost only $400 but highly advanced to transmit the video/audio from the heli(long range even) where you can use camcorder or high resolution camera...


Also check the below video of dragon flyer involved in Aerial photography


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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 08:05:29 AM »
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This guys has no. of Choppers, Eagle GS2, JR voyager GAS this comes prebuilt from JR for a Camera mount and  a big 80 cc Gas heli. This guys make awesome money,  2 lac a day and 25 % to travel. Imagine he has no competition to do that. Why don't u guys think about it good business.
 
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2010, 03:31:16 PM »
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I hope everyone is aware that AP is restricted in India.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 07:03:38 AM »
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I hope everyone is aware that AP is restricted in India.
Its indeed restricted in India but doing it outside the no fly zone upto the low altitude of 80-120 feet is allowed & requires no permission.

Doing the same with a commercial heli or plane requires several permission which you wont ever get without paying bribes & running in sarkari daftars dealing with babus.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 08:06:55 AM »
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Ranjan,
Anwar is right, AP in India is prohibited at any height and in any part of india, whether RC or in real heli. Some years ago u would have got away, but not today. Just dont get caught. Many guys are doing it across the country totally obvlious of the rules. U need Min of Defence clearence. It is only for pure RC flying below 400 feet that there is no restriction outsied restricted air space.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2010, 09:37:04 AM »
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Our laws are always ambiguous how come they allow photography from commercial planes & not RC planes, I remember there was a notification in 2004 deregulating it.
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"There is no stretch in this country that has not been mapped aerially and is not available on the Net. So, why should we stop individuals from photographing the area under the garb of security concerns?"
http://www.indiamike.com/india/india-travel-news-and-commentary-f80/ban-on-aerial-photography-gone-t8749/
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2010, 03:44:45 PM »
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Ranjan,
from what i know, u need to get clearence for aerial photography done from real aircraft.. If u can locate that de-regulation document it will be great for every one. If any one else knows and can put up the document on this forum it will be great.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2010, 04:15:16 PM »
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as per my knowledge what i have studied long back was CAR Section-2 Airworthiness meant for Aircraft Maintenece Engineers
http://www.dgca.gov.in/ftppub/D2f-f3%20.pdf
in this page 14 point(2)

second one here for Section 3 states
http://dgca.nic.in/misc/draft%20cars/D3F-F1%20(July%202010).pdf
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2010, 09:00:07 PM »
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Praveen
page 14 point(2) is in relation to capability of the aircraft, airworthyness only, meaning the aircraft is capable of the job, as specified, which includes aerial photography. it does not automatically permit u to do aerial photography, just like if u buy a passenger aircrat , it does not mean u can fly with passengers at will. u have to take permission for each flight. Kindly do not mistake airworthyness with operations. The 2 issues r totally different.
The second link u have placed does not open, so i cannot comment.
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2010, 09:20:51 PM »
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Praveen,
managed to open the second link u put up.
For aerial photography u r required to submit 7 copies of permission  for aerial photography along with a map of the geographicla area. Now next time u want photograph another area not covered in ur first applicaion, u start all over again with 7 copies.
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 05:29:26 AM »
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obviously, you know one thing sir ,if need to take permission from DGCA you need god's help ,even a dot mistake you are erased ! >Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 11:08:11 AM »
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Does this have anything to do with aeromodelling as a hobby? Don't ground shots look nice??
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Does this have anything to do with aeromodelling as a hobby? Don't ground shots look nice??
Yes its an extension to that hobby see yourself

http://www.diyphotography.net/photographer-rigs-a-canon-7d-to-an-rc-helicopter
http://www.pugetsoundaerial.com/portfolio
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Yes - In the land with an established AMA, insurance for flyers, low cost, easy availability, hobbyists working within limits, easy public understanding of the hobby, vast open spaces for flying, virtually a club in every city, clear flying rules and every one enjoying flying and following the rules.

Here - opposite and no!!

OTOH I saw something amazing on Discovery where a model nitro heli was used in an African jungle with a lady wearing a helmet that had a display which was beaming images from a video cam on the heli. Amazing thing was that this lady could turn her head around and control the heli similarly.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2010, 11:42:00 AM »
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Check these http://www.rctoys.com/private/videos.html
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Dorns are even better can be controlled via Iphone & have camera on board.
http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/en

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HI Guys,
Frankly Aerial Photography was what got me introduced to this hobby and to this forum!! I was looking at ways to remotely control cameras and landed here. Now I see myself spending more time on this hobby than on making advances on Photography!! :-)
but AP ends at a point where u simply cant get permission to shoot. that too objects which you can shoot from inside a commercial aircraft (and their hazy windows) but not from your own equipment!!! Such stupidity  Bang Head  Bang Head  Bang Head
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Plz chk http://www.rcobserver.com/
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How come businesses like the one above do this so openly?
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2011, 11:17:39 AM »
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You can get a license and do things legally.  AP is NOT blanket banned.  The professionals go through proper channels, use much higher quality gear and so on.
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2011, 11:41:13 AM »
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Low altitude photography upto 100mts don't need permission as long as you are shooing with confined of the premises & not shooting from public area, its more  for safety purpose there are license requirement so we don't face accidents.

There was a notification in 2004 which allowed shooting from civilian aircraft when air borne & I travel often with my camera on board.

Here are few shots for you all to enjoy, I have removed the GPS data from the images purposely.

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pls get in touch with the AMAI and get their directions on this topic. Ensure that we are on the right side of the hobby at all times. The vast majority of us just want to build or buy and fly planes and don't need one guy to do something that's clearly not exactly legal  and kill the hobby for the rest.
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pls get in touch with the AMAI and get their directions on this topic. Ensure that we are on the right side of the hobby at all times. The vast majority of us just want to build or buy and fly planes and don't need one guy to do something that's clearly not exactly legal  and kill the hobby for the rest.
Very true, I echo the same.
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As you may read, they mount standard mass commodity dSLR and handy cams and not 70mm movie cameras / Large format cameras. at the nose they have put a Gyro dolly which can receive a range of cameras.

Live feed is mostly for monitor/preview with some basic camera control provided using a radio (seperate control, I presume). The actual recording still happens on the native recording medium of the the Cam (CF/SD card, Digital Tape etc). high resolution live feed is but extreemly high costly and energy consuming affiar (imagine, Cartosat have a band width of 1-2Gbps down-link!!)

These Helis are Giant!! I mean fantabulus! how much do they cost ? just for scaring my self from not to dream of owning these some day!!
well i have this 700 trex with lot of gizmos, add a custom made camera mount which itself costs 1500$ total kit which i assume was as cheap as it could get costed 4000$ according to todays us rate it would be around 2lakh i use it for aerial shoots not typically aerial just below 100 to 200 ft, and sometimes just like jimmy jib. haha. And after adding a 1.5lakh camera on it believe me the last thing that can happen to you is crash. I still havent dared to float about water. I think i have water syndrome only when my heli is over it.

   Anyways as far as i know u mostly can go scot free for shooting on it, dont use word aerial photography , its just a shooting equipment. I personally just got some trouble but as you know the best way to avoid a police problem in India. Yes i love anna but sometimes its convenient.

 Just dont go more than 200ft (my opinion) , NO DAMS i got my camera reel being exposed long time like 14 years so dams and military installations are strict no no. Dont shoot near airport at least 20km from it. Safe for you , safe for heli, and safe for others.  I dont know whats wrong with govt when you can fly rc planes normally and not one with a camera.

                  There is no strict law and absolutely not in your local police register so i bet they wont even know what they are supposed to do. So just do get shooting permission for the location which is usually always required.
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"I personally just got some trouble but as you know the best way to avoid a police problem in India. Yes i love anna but sometimes its convenient. " Giggle Giggle Giggle

"There is no strict law and absolutely not in your local police register so i bet they wont even know what they are supposed to do."
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But i would also like to add for ekom that they can get hell out of rules when they come to themselves..(My personal Experience)

So its better for us to get the brief account of rules and abide by the rules before we fly for aerial photography..

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Really could you tell your experience if its ok with you. Because according to me there ain't no rule for low altitude rc heli shoot. Can you point out to any reference where it is specified to be banned
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Please checkout the following website, Mr. Raju Chaudhry is well know in the arena of ariel photography in India.....

http://rcobserver.com/
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Friends let me know where it is written in ANY GOV. DOCUMENT THAT AP IS PROHIBITED WITH RC AIRCRAFT.Huh?
Anyone have such a data or link, kindly let me know.
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Don't know about actual documents, but we can see that permit is required from various sites that show on simple searches.

See the last one here : http://www.reelindiapictures.com/permit-process.html

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Sorry Dear Anwar i dont think it is reliable document for Prohibition of Aerial Photography By RC Aircraft.

1. Producer to apply for approval in own country at the Indian embassy.

It is only for NRI.

2.  After applying at the Indian Embassy of foreign country, we here in India will obtain the approval from Ministry, if the application is for documentary or a television show we will obtain the permission from Ministry of External Affairs and if itís a feature film in that case we will obtain the permission from Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. In case of Documentary there is no fees but in case of feature film there is a fees of 200$.
In both the permission the time taken is 30 days excluding government holidays.

It is only for NRI & not indicate for RC Aircraft Aerial Photography.

3. ....
Same as above.

Also as this site are indicate towards only at Holy places & forest, which may be under Gov. or Ministry of India.


Any on else have any doubt about Prohibition of Aerial Photography By RC Aircraft can clear with me.
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It is not that simple, right ?  That document clarifies what extra steps are needed if you are coming from outside (whether NRI or foreign national), but no where did it say the rules are different for people in India.  Especially the last part says Defence and Civil Aviation ministries, not Interior ministry.  The last bullet starts with "In case or arial photography in India, one needs to...".  The stuff above it are clear on who it is intended for.

Another quick search leads to http://www.dgca.nic.in/dgca/rti_man-ind.htm , and AP is one of the activities for which DGCA seems to grant permits (if I understood this right).   

Any on else have any doubt about Prohibition of Aerial Photography By RC Aircraft can clear with me.

Please do explain, since you seem to be clear that there is no such prohibition, or what the pertinent rules are.  This would benefit the entire community.

This is in light of the fact that even companies working on road mapping for GPS services have been blocked.

Ramesh Tahlan who commented earlier on this thread is retired from the Indian forces, and is clear on what the rules are.
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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2012, 12:33:08 PM »
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It is really simple, that you are going to Indian Embassy in your own Country even though you are Indian Citizen for taking permission for Aerial Photography By RC Aircraft? Are you went to Indian Embassy in India As it is the First step is written on that WEBSITE? Huh???

Now we talk about DGCA, kindly check the below link that is Duties, Function, & Responsibilities of DGCA.

http://www.dgca.nic.in/dgca/rti_man-ind.htm

Let me know RC Aerial Photography is under DGFT Duties, Function, & Responsibilities.??

And Finally, that links you provide me is about Aerial Photography by Civil Aircraft not RC Aircraft.

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This is in light of the fact that even companies working on road mapping for GPS services have been blocked.

I don't know about this factor, so no comment.
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« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2012, 12:46:40 PM »
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Apparently you did not read my post well enough.  I only pointed out the last bullet on that page.  That makes no mention of Indian Embassy. Is that clear ?  So let us for a moment forget the embassy crap, and concentrate on what the last paragraph says.  And everything that is on the last bullet may well apply to us as citizens residing locally.

Please don't jump down people's throats because you are running a business in this field.  We are trying to see if there is any clear rule EITHER WAY on this topic.  If you know there is no prohibition, please spell that out, with any documentary evidence that you have stating the same.  I am only trying to seek clarity over what I am seeing online.

Now about DGCA, search for the word "photography" in the above link.  In item "xiii", it says DGCA is involved in licensing for arial photography.  May be it is when flying over airports and such. But they do get involved... is that much clear ?

Most importantly, show me a document saying Arial Photography using RC aircraft is unlicensed in India, and I will shut up.  Until then, I will urge caution to the audience here.  So far in your posts, you have not provided one bit of evidence pointing to the same.  I have at least some people related to Indian defence forces saying that it is restricted.
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« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2012, 01:08:45 PM »
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Its not like that you said. As per my Opiniun There are three steps in which permits process takes place, after you finishing 3rd step...

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After the ministry clearance we then apply for actual location permits. Actual location permits have departments depending on the chosen location.

I like to say that Aerial Photography is prohibited. But there is no Written Any where that RC Aerial photogrpahy is prohibited if do you have such data on-line then show me, i Will shut up.

Importantly, i am not said that RC Aerial Photography is not prohibited or it is prohibited. It is still an open issue that none taking responsibilities in any gov. authority, like AAI, DGFT, MOHM, MOD, etc.

If any of this gov. body have any proper documents for the RC Aerial Photography. Let me know. I appreciate your hard work & knowledge that you know many peoples in defence forces, but they also don't have any proof of Prohibition of RC Ariel Photography in INDIA.

It is that what i believe on my eyes. Not as anyone throats me.
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« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2012, 01:23:49 PM »
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I like to say that Aerial Photography is prohibited. But there is no Written Any where that RC Aerial photogrpahy is prohibited if do you have such data on-line then show me, i Will shut up.

Importantly, i am not said that RC Aerial Photography is not prohibited or it is prohibited. It is still an open issue that none taking responsibilities in any gov. authority, like AAI, DGFT, MOHM, MOD, etc.

This is exactly what I wanted to leave the audience with.

But common sense also dictates that if "AP" is restricted in general (which you seem to agree with), then that would imply that the vehicle does not matter (whether RC or not), until some one explicitly states that AP via RC is NOT restricted.  Unfortunately you are taking the line that the broader prohibition does not apply to RC, which seems driven by convenience.

Most importantly, earlier you mentioned (in Reply #32) that others can "clear with you" on prohibitions about AP using RC aircraft.  It seems like the clarity being offered is that nothing is clear... with the best case being it is a grey area, and worst case being it is restricted and requires licensing.
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« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2012, 01:26:23 PM »
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Looks like indianuav owns www.indianuav.com which deals with aerial photography and stuff,

well sir, since you are into actual business, you should have gone through the licensing, legal and other parts of this and you should be a better guide in letting the community know the rules, regulations and limits regarding the same,

Instead you are demanding a Hobby community about link and documents related to.

when we are flying for our hobby and end up in trouble by any authority we would just pack up and head home, we dont have anything to loose, if you are doing some shoot and end up in trouble your equipment and business is in lsot, you should be more conscious about the legality and all other aspects



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I am not clear for permissions. for whom we have to take permissions? do they have responsibilities,or are they authorised? is any one have taken permission from them? if yes they have form for taking permissions from that authority.?
as in the given form in deft they need pilot licence. is any aeromodeller or rc flyer has pilot licence ??
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@ above post!

every one has responsibilities! Tongue

you are asking all the above questions to some one who has been into aerial photography business and i am sure no one would give you leads as you pose a direct competition to them!

I think a whole lot of organization will be involved in granting you permission like DGCA,MOD,WPC,MOHA

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Someone in Dubai helped their local police / firefighters with his GoPro mounted Trex 550.

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« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2012, 10:15:34 PM »
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Hello all

Please see the attached document for aerial photography clarification. Please avoid speculations.

If anyone want more information, do not hesitate to contact.

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I am not clear for permissions. for whom we have to take permissions? do they have responsibilities,or are they authorised? is any one have taken permission from them? if yes they have form for taking permissions from that authority.?
as in the given form in deft they need pilot licence. is any aeromodeller or rc flyer has pilot licence ??

It is interesting that this person posted as "indianuav" until he could not answer the question raised in Reples #37 and #38, then came back and created another account called "shaurinsoni" and posted reply #39.  He seems to have forgotten that his name is already visible in the profile of "indianuav" (the name "Shaurin Soni" is clearly visible).

Anyways, with the document posted, it seems to be clear that AP needs some level of permissions.  Also, AMAI folks mentioned that they are trying to work out a framework with the authorities for AP/FPV.
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Hi Mr anwar,

Is there any update on the rules regarding aerial photography ..??

If yes, can u pl point me to it.

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Hi,
I've been involved in trying to get permissions to run UAVs with Contour GPS video camera or Gopro Hero over NP & Wildlife Sanctuaries in India to help fight poaching. We are trying to establish pilot projects with the Wildlife Institute of India and the State Governments of MP and Assam & National Tiger Conservation Authority & WWF. In India, the first problem starts with - there is no body that regulates UAV flights - meaning there is no procedure established as to where you go for applying first. Since it is all government institutions/agencies that are going to be running this, we've moved the paper work to both Defense and Ministry of Civil Aviation.

In Nepal we are running this with the Army (as Army is mandated by law to protection NP & WLS) and they then approached the Ministry of civil Aviation who then asked us to define the geographic boundaries, altitude and dates within which we will operate. Once we gave them this in a GIS map and defined our ceiling as 100m, they gave us official permission to operate these UAV flights with video and still cameras. Now they are asking us to register the aircraft (the two raptors and we have just ordered two Bormatec Maja which can carry a heavier payload and fly longer with auto takeoff and auto landing). This means that these aircraft would be given identification numbers just like other passenger and cargo flights operating in Nepal. http://www.wwfnepal.org/?206154/Nepal-tests-new-unmanned-aerial-vehicle-technology-to-stop-wildlife-crime

We are assuming that it will be similar in India and hence the approach to Defense and civil aviation ministry. I will update once we have the required clearances as to what the procedure was. However the critical distinction here is that we are trying to get permission for govt agencies to operate these UAVs and not hobbyists like us. But atleast we will know who the permission granting authorities are!

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 Hello guys,
   check this out : www.proaeromodelling.com

    They also do the aerial photography...
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Interesting product.

http://www.gatewing.com/

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Interesting. A complete Autopilot integrated...how does it propel?
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Looks like there is a motor with folding props at the back.
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Anwar sir, thought so, although did not see anything spinning in the takeoff, but that seems the way to go. Maybe the motor starts once air borne.
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