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December 24, 2009, 01:53:19 PM »
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Re: IRC down
Quote from: indiarc on December 24, 2009, 12:02:02 PM
are you trying to conveying that beginners in aeromodeling are also beginners in web common sense and cannot search or read the whole archive of posts existing for 8 years or is it just the way to keep the post count tickin on a new forum.
Also what is weight of anonymous feedback and good or bad rating vs voice of individuals who have identity and respect in the community.
I don't know what the USP of this forum would be if Indiarc allowed sellers to start spamming new comers to buy from them
under the pretext of help
But surely I dont want to start a flaming war here but I know some people who feel the need of having the last word will not let lie
IndiaRC,
Well, I am stark newbie in RC and have posted many items on 'where to buy' or 'how to' requests. Till date I have not been spamed. So that a first hand experience for you. I do not know how many LHS there are in RC (in India atleast) who are in interested in spamming. So my submission is that your view does not gel - at least not with me.
Yes, we are offered suggestion on the forum about the product that maybe available with one seller, but then I have a right to buy or not buy. No one can force that decision.
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Re: IRC down
Quote from: indiarc on December 24, 2009, 12:02:02 PM
are you trying to conveying that beginners in aeromodeling are also beginners in web common sense and cannot search or read the whole archive of posts existing for 8 years or is it just the way to keep the post count tickin on a new forum.
Also what is weight of anonymous feedback and good or bad rating vs voice of individuals who have identity and respect in the community.
I don't know what the USP of this forum would be if Indiarc allowed sellers to start spamming new comers to buy from them
under the pretext of help
But surely I dont want to start a flaming war here but I know some people who feel the need of having the last word will not let lie
No One could do what your doing at IRC and the fact that you seem to be posting regularly shows what the difference between the forums
Welcome to a free world Sunil/Indiarc you seem to be enjoying it we wish you to continue enjoying it .
Communication in any form from any seller other than
Indian.Hobby
to a member is SPAM by definition
Thank god we don't need to do it here we reply directly to the post on the forum itself .
Yes and as Pankaj Says the buyer has the right to decide either way we only present options to the buyer openly no need of PM's and use of oblique references etc .
How true we should be thanking you for creating the USP for RCI but for you this USP would not have come about and received such a huge response
so in a way RCI is a creation of IRC ( may not be to your liking but this is a fact )
Looking forward to some meaning full contribution from you with your 8 years of experience I am sure we would surely benefit
so move beyond this thread and contribute it would be great don't worry no one is going to edit your posts , delete/suppress information etc you need not be scared of getting banned you can
as freely as you want
Sai
PS : There might only be a few here discussing your post but that will not surprise me as Many might be sacred of being BANNED/RESTRICTED on IRC hence would prefer to keep their comments to themselves
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Re: IRC down
Quote from: indiarc on December 24, 2009, 12:02:02 PM
I don't know what the USP of this forum would be if Indiarc allowed sellers to start spamming new comers to buy from them
under the pretext of help
Of my 10 months of membership here, i have not received a single spam post. Why would any seller spam me here, when they can post directly to the forum ? On the other hand, i do have received spam on IRC account.
Next, being an aeromodeller, if a LHS sends a PM/Spam to me, i do not take it in a very bad way. We all know how difficult it is for LHS to survive, and it is in our hobby's benefit that we let them get the business they deserve. Why make life tougher ?
8 yrs back IRC may have been god-send to aeromodellers but times have changed now.
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mr rcforall i don't even want to post your pms and emails forwarded to moderator and distributors leading to your ban on indiarc. infact from all the ppl i remember you are the only who has been banned for blatantly plying your trade. i will not even go down a discussion path with you !!!!!!!!!!!!
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So now we have a Indian hobbies vs Rcforall fight......
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Indiarc ,
You need not say it I will say it I wrote to a supplier of yours for direct supplies they replied saying we had to approach you for which I replied that I was not interested . I sent PM's to manufacturers and distributors from abroad who highlighted their products on IRC like Castel Creations etc so what as a hobby shop I can do it nothing wrong in it
BTW that might have been a clash of interest with
Indian Hobbies
and not with IRC forum
so is IRC really independent then or is it a forum that is meant to serve Indian Hobbies interests
I sent PM's to newbies listing the products I have , I don't do that here as I can respond directly to them on the forum , so is responding to a newbies query a crime as a seller ? I am not ashamed to be a seller far from it .
The response from Pankaj and Gaurav shows the many recipients don't consider it SPAM so how come as a moderator you decide that is SPAM because it clashes with your business interest Then is IRC a forum in the first place by the very definition of a forum .
I have nothing to hide nor am I ashamed of being a seller nor is your ban of any consequence.
So I am ready if you want an open debate/discussion.
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Re: IRC down
Quote from: indiarc on December 24, 2009, 12:02:02 PM
Also what is weight of anonymous feedback and good or bad rating vs voice of individuals who have identity and respect in the community.
"Anonymous feedback" ? Most stores have their store name as the username here. Good to know that the 3 (?) people who have officially been granted identity and respect in the community are all on IRC, and theirs is the last word on everything.
Quote from: indiarc on December 24, 2009, 12:02:02 PM
I don't know what the USP of this forum would be if Indiarc allowed sellers to start spamming new comers to buy from them
under the pretext of help
Let us define spam. Spam is when you get "unsolicited" commercial offers. When someone asks "where can I get item X", that is "soliciting" for commercial information and anyone including hobby stores are responding openly (we have no PM business as alleged, because we don't need to!). Multiple stores may respond, all openly. Other users may say, don't buy from any of these, just get it from an international seller. But all this is quite beyond how it has historically been done, and some people will never understand this (or not want to understand). Times have changed, and no amount of negative spin on the events here is going to take us back to the old system.
The end result ? The RC user benefits from the discussion, and THAT is the only thing that matters.
The irony (and USP) there is that Indian Hobbies is the only one allowed to "help" (ie "spam" ?) users, while everyone is free to do it here ! Does the Indian aeromodeller have to deal with Indian Hobbies just because a forum was started some years back ?
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Re: IRC down
Dear Sunil,
I read through this discussion and I think, the discussion itself is proof of the difference in the 2 forums.
I am against CENSORSHIP of any type.
And if we are discussing quality of discussions, RC universe and RC groups which are global forums have a far higher amount of information. But this forum is specifically for India and it serves its purpose.
I can understand what Sunil feels about sellers not advertising on his forum, Fine, but the rule should uniformly apply to all sellers including INDIA HOBBIES. One seller can't be more equal than others- it just isn't fair. I think this is the crux of the matter. People don't mind the no advertising rule, but expect it to be uniformly followed: After all the forum has a moderator, not a dictator.
That does not in anyway detract from your enormous contribution to discussion of RC topics and to your hobby shop.
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Re: IRC down
Hey guys ...
Cool it .... what purpose will this discussion serve ?
None of us are getting any wiser and none of
the participants will change their stand .
BTW Merry Christmas ...
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Re: IRC down
I guess it is the "vent your frustration with anything and everything on Sunil" thread
I am feeling a lot better already
Time to discuss something else ? Let me get the new AXN Floater out of the car (ordered by my brother, I collected it from the post office on his behalf), and post some pictures. He arrives back from his trip tomorrow, and would do the build himself.
Also looking forward to some flying with member Ashta, when he comes to Doha for a few days starting 27th Dec.
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Re: IRC down
BTW can we see some pictures from the Pune fun fly last weekend ?
Sunil, if you can post them here, would be great.
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Re: IRC down
No need, IRC should be up very soon
I can already see the SMF maintenance screen with the "Tip: A free forum does nor allow sellers to spam visitors" >
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Re: IRC down
Indiarc can you please spell out the policies of your forum, as that would help alot of people.
Quote from: indiarc on December 23, 2009, 01:13:10 PM
As far as promoting dealers is concerned they are no saints and just like Indian Hobbies does they can pay the cost to leverage the indiarc community to support a RC endevour. Dealers who want free publicity and self promotion only may be the ones who are most active here also. Some disgruntled members who have either not been able to ply their trade thru Indiarc.com or have taken offence to being asked to upgrade their profiles when they want to sell their items on IndiaRC trade sections or those who use the forums only when they want to sell their items. Well we have no time for them !
As mentioned by you i am for your rule that if dealers want to leverage then they can pay a cost for it. But the same should be the rule for everyone including you. When i say everyone it includes all shops brick and online in INDIA AND ABROAD. How come you do not remove post of someone mentioning tower hobbies, etc., is towerhobbies paying you (indiarc) a cost, surely not then why different rules.
Most hobby shops/dealers/online shops do not send any pm/messages etc., and if a few have done that does not meaning everyone would do it.
Does that make you any better than our govt. officials who apply different rules for different people.
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Re: IRC down
irc was or is the first site as far as i can remember for indians in india. since 1998, i have been on irc. but it is up to sunil how to run his forum as its his baby. if we are not in agreement with his policies, well we are free to jump sites.
sunil also should realise that times are changing and he should be more open as that will help his site improve on the hits. he can also see that rc india these days are more active. but for me both rc india and india rc will remain as before.
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Quote from: indiarc on December 24, 2009, 02:40:22 PM
infact from all the ppl i remember you are the only who has been banned for blatantly plying your trade.
I have no objection to INDIARC ( Sunil ) running IRC the way he wants now that he has openly admitted that the sole reason for my ban on IRC was me plying my trade which clearly implies that it was the clash of interest with INDIAN HOBBIES which was the problem and not any thing to do with IRC the Forum .
I then have one question was Indian Hobbies not
blatantly Plying trade on the very same IRC
when those numerous posts were made of the latest arrivals at Indian Hobbies with corresponding links provided for purchasing .
This is true even in the case of foreign hobby shops Tower etc are allowed but Hobby King etc are blocked and the only reason seems to be Obvious .
So the members are allowed selective access to information as it suits the business interests of OWNER ( Moderator ) of IRC
Katty ,
I have paid for advertising on IRC as well and even then the rule was the same so I know from 1st hand experience that paid advt also did not get you and special status as a forum member .
Indian Hobbies could
blatantly advertise its wares
with posts threads , links etc during this period and me despite being a paid advertiser could not do the same thing .
So it has nothing to do with paid and unpaid sellers .
SO IT IS OBVIOUS THAT IRC'S PURPOSE
1) IS TO SERVE THE BUSINESS INTERESTS OF INDIAN HOBBIES AND ANY CLASH OF INTEREST WITH THIS PURPOSE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE .
2) ALL MEMBERS IN IRC ARE NOT EQUAL SOME HAVE SPECIAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO OTHERS .
THANKS ONCE AGAIN FOR MAKING THIS OPEN PUBLIC ADMISSION INDIARC
SO IS IRC A FORUM IN THE FIRST PLACE
Indiarc : When you step out into the free world also remember one thing you don't have the elevated protection status you enjoy at IRC you cannot edit , delete , tamper with others posts here , so be prepared for a free and frank one to one
. We are used to it here so no problem for us
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Quote from: harikeshpk on December 25, 2009, 05:06:01 AM
irc was or is the first site as far as i can remember for indians in india. since 1998, i have been on irc. but it is up to sunil how to run his forum as its his baby. if we are not in agreement with his policies, well we are free to jump sites.
sunil also should realise that times are changing and he should be more open as that will help his site improve on the hits. he can also see that rc india these days are more active. but for me both rc india and india rc will remain as before.
The problem Harikesh bhai is that if and when people jump ship, people like the Captain (flyingboxcar) admonish them for doing so
Just because everyone else did not work on creating an alternative forum earlier, they are being criticized as "disloyal" and "enjoying others pains" while these people have expressed their opinion on the subject long before the server issue happened.
Yes, Sunil can run his forum anyway he wants, but why glorify it just because it has been the only one around ? Why sugarcoat it based on how he runs his hobby store ? Is that the best support that can be offered, instead of saying it as it is ?
Why baseless allegations of seller spam, when the USP there is "help" (or is it spam) from one store only, while everyone has equal opportunity to "help" here ?
You should see how 2.4Ghz was presented on IRC, as if it is to be avoided like the plague because couple of people "who have respect of the community" never got around to using it. Yet, when it appears in a particular store, the same thing is being recommended ("help"ed!), conveniently forgetting that users of this technology were severely mocked on only a few days earlier (calling them "beta testers", or "they are under the impression that cool technology is supposed to make them better fliers"). And the scary part is the everyone generally kept quiet, I guess out of "respect for the well respected members" ?
Anyways, I hope at least the comments of regular users (not the hobby store ones) in this thread are noticed.
And this is becoming almost boring
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Quote from: indiarc on December 24, 2009, 12:02:02 PM
Also what is weight of anonymous feedback and good or bad rating vs voice of individuals who have identity and respect in the community.
Indiarc/Sunil ,
I doubt if you will understand the meaning of Independent feed back but even then since you talk about feed back I thought you need to be educated on the meaning of the same :
http://feedback.ebay.in/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=rcforallin&&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller
This is what independent feed back means on a totally independent platform .
As for your interpretation of feed back a member indicated his satisfaction in dealing with us on IRC and conveyed my contact number to a newbie on IRC and his post was edited by you to ensure the purpose of his feedback to another member was negated .Is this helping a newbie
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THIS POST WAS NOT FROM A SELLER IT WAS FROM MEMBER .
BTW for the benefit of all the post was replaced with a statement saying " This seller is not recommended by India RC " but the irony was this edited post did not specify who was the seller not recommended and why .
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Sai - Me, you and some others here need Prozac
Wonder if a nice chunk of Christmas cake would work instead
Seasons greetings ! Onward to an even more "open" (spam filled!) 2010
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Anwar ,
I am Loving It this is like a year end party (bash) >
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won't let such an opportunity go by
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Time to close this thread. INDIA RC is back online and things are getting pretty petty here.
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well i think this should remain here so that people can complain about irc freely in this thread[it may be renamed]
so more feedbacks[not support but complains] sunil bhaiya >
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Don't think we need this thread for that
It has been going on since day 2 of this forum's existence :
http://www.rcindia.org/rc-india-forum/feeling-free/
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hmm..never looked at that thread
one reason may be it didn't go as hot and popular as this one
seems interesting to know how sunil bhai would have spend 1 hours and 24 minutes on this only dealing with complains
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