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« on: August 23, 2010, 02:34:18 PM »
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http://www.suasnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/2-mku.jpg
TERP II Indias first indigenous UAV


Anybody know anymore about this UAS???

http://www.suasnews.com/2010/02/249/249/
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2010, 07:08:52 PM »
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I love the way it lands but the picture and video quality !@#$%^&*()
it also has target tracking,best feature!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2010, 08:24:36 PM »
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Apart from the the structure and MAX the motor being 'Designed/Made in India' (At least Uttam in Bangalore making BL Motors), I think bulk of electronics which make UAV (control electronics, , Guidance, surveillance etc) are deemed to be made in  China/Taiwan/West.
I dont  see any credible job.

There are loads of DIY equipment available in open market for making such UAVs. unless the it is at lest 80% indigenous, its Import.
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2010, 09:16:18 PM »
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Well, as far as my knowledege goes nothing is developed in India. They have collaboration with a europian firm(if I am not wrong it's from Germany). Technology transfer & if any orders production in India. No India firm has been able to develop a fully functional auto pilot for UAV's. Not that we have lack of talent but it is lack of vision for this industry & most important lack of funds Bang Head Development of a good telemetary system for uav & stabalization of the payload(camera) is another big task.
But I agree with certain things, "Ehy reinvent things when they are availaible off the shelve". People may differ with me but commercialy & business point of view it makes sence instead of reinventing thje wagon wheel. But the final punch "nothing like if one can develop a autopilot in India".
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2010, 11:07:04 PM »
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come on guys ! even you people know the truth that no one in this world can develop system which is having every single component developed under same roof!

and for Ujjwal please these systems are not DIY things!
these can withstand harsh landings and asssembled in just 4 mins with bare hands (no tools at all) ,perfect range,
can withstand temp anything between -30 to +55 or above,and can fly in light shower where you hesitate to fly rc plane,and made from advanced composites like fiberglass,carbon fiber or kevlar
apart from that these are flight tested and approved things and more ever it can stay in air more than 2 hrs and can be handlaunced (AUW of Trep is 5kg). Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2010, 11:37:23 PM »
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Praveen,

Belive me if you read more on tactical UAV's these are very basic requirments which it is supposed to perform.
All the physical characteristics you mentioned are a must for this type of UAV to have some standing in this market. The most important thing without which it no value is how good is the vedio down link. The bottom line is "How good & stable your video link is". Witnessing a demonstration & using it operationaly are two different things.
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Now now chaps I did'nt mean to start a fight! Are there any actually in service?? Video is a very over rated quality in a UAS. Good quality stills tell a bigger picture IMHO
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2010, 08:29:03 AM »
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When you talk of UAV's better listen up to majraj. He is lucky to be doing these things for a living and passion
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Majraj sir ,i agree with you i am not talking about video link or anything else but i am trying to justify what is UAV when it stands in front of DIY kits! UAV has its own standard !

sir even i am also UAV Field/safety pilot like you from past 2 yrs,
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2010, 11:23:29 AM »
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Praveen,
Welcome to the fraternity. It's good to know people in same the field. What type of UAV are you into. I  am aware of 2 companies in Bangaluru who are in this business. What the job of safety pilot.
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Thank you sir ,but i cant tell the details of uav's but these are micro and mini class(tactical range starting from 15-60km(60km is optional)) electric powered single n multi engined!
the other name of field pilot itself safety pilot coz you are in control of AV(air vehicle). this was told to me from the Terp UAV guy ,so when we met at defexpo i introduced myself as field pilot he told he is safety pilot! but at end we came to know both are same ,different name same job!
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 11:43:21 AM »
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That's good enough, now I know which project you are working on & also the person from TERP.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2010, 11:48:45 AM »
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even though UAV is nothing but a RC plane with sophisticated electronic junk on it , so which are the things you working on sir?micro,mini or full size UAV!
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 11:54:49 AM »
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Yes I agree too many RC suppliers especially out of China are slapping the word UAV onto hobby grade kits. Bit when does a model become a UAV well, how about if it can withstand 100 hours of flight by inexperienced operators? That is a measure I use and it takes a bit of thinking to make that happen. Point of order, UAV is the old term we should be using UAS unmanned aerial system or RPAS remotely piloted aerial system.
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I agree Gary,in official mail my signature is mentioned as UAS, but many people do not understand UAS so i use UAV.
and i dont think chinese stuff can go upto level of Micropilot or Piccolo standards!
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The Chinese stuff will improve but it will be a matter of getting them to do the paperwork required for aviation authorities, no doubt UAS will become useful tools in disaster response and environmental planning as time passes. In ten years time young people will laugh at how we try now!
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Hello,

If my memory serves me right, the TERP is a design which was beng manufactured by an US Company before MKU bought out the rights and is now being manufactured in India with improvements. I have had a chance to see the original TERP and also saw the TERP II at DefExpo and it looks fairly well made. I would however question the claim India's first indegenous made UAV.

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hello sir ,
welcome to RCI
If you can remember me we discussed it at Defexpo,and its been so long how are you sir?
guys this is the person succesfully built a both UAV and practice drones in india !
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2010, 05:34:34 PM »
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Hey Praveen,

So glad to hear from you after DefExpo. I am very well and trust that you are good too. Drop in an email to me and we can keep in touch.

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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2010, 05:36:19 PM »
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Welcome Avdhesh,

Good to see people developing defence systems chiming in. I was wondering if the drones are just write-off after the training or they could be reused?...

Would be cool watch this kind of stuff. Machine against machine... On a similar note.. does the UAS have intelligence to perform evasive maneuvers if it finds an incomming threat.

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sure sir, good to hear you!
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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2010, 05:57:26 PM »
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Hi Ismail,

It really depends on the mission. At times we use a tow target which is engaged and then after the useful life of the airplane, the aerial target itself is fed to the missiles or destroyed with gun fire. Evasive Manuevers are performed but is not the call of the day as the forces actually like the targets to be destroyed. Various Counter Measures like chaff dispensers etc are also used from time to time.

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2010, 06:07:31 PM »
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Good to see "professionals" chip in Thumbs Up

I have always wondered about the power systems that run these.  I mean hours of flight time, yet they are not gliders (I mean using thermals to maximise flight times).  Pack lots of lipos ?

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At times we use a tow target which is engaged and then after the useful life of the airplane, the aerial target itself is fed to the missiles or destroyed with gun fire. Evasive Manuevers are performed but is not the call of the day as the forces actually like the targets to be destroyed. Various Counter Measures like chaff dispensers etc are also used from time to time.

That is cool..  Thumbs Up

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Watch a video of our Javelin 100 NG Aerial Target being destroyed by gun fire on the HomePage www.kadet-uav.com
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