Anybody know anymore about this UAS???

http://www.suasnews.com/2010/02/249/249/

I love the way it lands but the picture and video quality !@#$%^&*()
it also has target tracking,best feature!!!!!!!!

Apart from the the structure and MAX the motor being 'Designed/Made in India' (At least Uttam in Bangalore making BL Motors), I think bulk of electronics which make UAV (control electronics, , Guidance, surveillance etc) are deemed to be made in  China/Taiwan/West.
I dont  see any credible job.

There are loads of DIY equipment available in open market for making such UAVs. unless the it is at lest 80% indigenous, its Import.

Well, as far as my knowledege goes nothing is developed in India. They have collaboration with a europian firm(if I am not wrong it's from Germany). Technology transfer & if any orders production in India. No India firm has been able to develop a fully functional auto pilot for UAV's. Not that we have lack of talent but it is lack of vision for this industry & most important lack of funds Development of a good telemetary system for uav & stabalization of the payload(camera) is another big task.
But I agree with certain things, "Ehy reinvent things when they are availaible off the shelve". People may differ with me but commercialy & business point of view it makes sence instead of reinventing thje wagon wheel. But the final punch "nothing like if one can develop a autopilot in India".

come on guys ! even you people know the truth that no one in this world can develop system which is having every single component developed under same roof!

and for Ujjwal please these systems are not DIY things!
these can withstand harsh landings and asssembled in just 4 mins with bare hands (no tools at all) ,perfect range,
can withstand temp anything between -30 to +55 or above,and can fly in light shower where you hesitate to fly rc plane,and made from advanced composites like fiberglass,carbon fiber or kevlar
apart from that these are flight tested and approved things and more ever it can stay in air more than 2 hrs and can be handlaunced (AUW of Trep is 5kg).

Praveen,

Belive me if you read more on tactical UAV's these are very basic requirments which it is supposed to perform.
All the physical characteristics you mentioned are a must for this type of UAV to have some standing in this market. The most important thing without which it no value is how good is the vedio down link. The bottom line is "How good & stable your video link is". Witnessing a demonstration & using it operationaly are two different things.

Now now chaps I did'nt mean to start a fight! Are there any actually in service?? Video is a very over rated quality in a UAS. Good quality stills tell a bigger picture IMHO

When you talk of UAV's better listen up to majraj. He is lucky to be doing these things for a living and passion

Majraj sir ,i agree with you i am not talking about video link or anything else but i am trying to justify what is UAV when it stands in front of DIY kits! UAV has its own standard !

sir even i am also UAV Field/safety pilot like you from past 2 yrs,

Praveen,
Welcome to the fraternity. It's good to know people in same the field. What type of UAV are you into. I  am aware of 2 companies in Bangaluru who are in this business. What the job of safety pilot.

Thank you sir ,but i cant tell the details of uav's but these are micro and mini class(tactical range starting from 15-60km(60km is optional)) electric powered single n multi engined!
the other name of field pilot itself safety pilot coz you are in control of AV(air vehicle). this was told to me from the Terp UAV guy ,so when we met at defexpo i introduced myself as field pilot he told he is safety pilot! but at end we came to know both are same ,different name same job!

That's good enough, now I know which project you are working on & also the person from TERP.

even though UAV is nothing but a RC plane with sophisticated electronic junk on it , so which are the things you working on sir?micro,mini or full size UAV!

Yes I agree too many RC suppliers especially out of China are slapping the word UAV onto hobby grade kits. Bit when does a model become a UAV well, how about if it can withstand 100 hours of flight by inexperienced operators? That is a measure I use and it takes a bit of thinking to make that happen. Point of order, UAV is the old term we should be using UAS unmanned aerial system or RPAS remotely piloted aerial system.

I agree Gary,in official mail my signature is mentioned as UAS, but many people do not understand UAS so i use UAV.
and i dont think chinese stuff can go upto level of Micropilot or Piccolo standards!

The Chinese stuff will improve but it will be a matter of getting them to do the paperwork required for aviation authorities, no doubt UAS will become useful tools in disaster response and environmental planning as time passes. In ten years time young people will laugh at how we try now!

Hello,

If my memory serves me right, the TERP is a design which was beng manufactured by an US Company before MKU bought out the rights and is now being manufactured in India with improvements. I have had a chance to see the original TERP and also saw the TERP II at DefExpo and it looks fairly well made. I would however question the claim India's first indegenous made UAV.

Regards

Avdhesh Khaitan
Kadet Defence Systems
www.kadet-uav.com

hello sir ,
welcome to RCI
If you can remember me we discussed it at Defexpo,and its been so long how are you sir?
guys this is the person succesfully built a both UAV and practice drones in india !

Hey Praveen,

So glad to hear from you after DefExpo. I am very well and trust that you are good too. Drop in an email to me and we can keep in touch.

Regards

Avdhesh Khaitan
Kadet Defence Systems
www.kadet-uav.com

Welcome Avdhesh,

Good to see people developing defence systems chiming in. I was wondering if the drones are just write-off after the training or they could be reused?...

Would be cool watch this kind of stuff. Machine against machine... On a similar note.. does the UAS have intelligence to perform evasive maneuvers if it finds an incomming threat.

-Ismail

sure sir, good to hear you!

Hi Ismail,

It really depends on the mission. At times we use a tow target which is engaged and then after the useful life of the airplane, the aerial target itself is fed to the missiles or destroyed with gun fire. Evasive Manuevers are performed but is not the call of the day as the forces actually like the targets to be destroyed. Various Counter Measures like chaff dispensers etc are also used from time to time.

Regards

Avdhesh Khaitan
Kadet Defence Systems
www.kadet-uav.com

Good to see "professionals" chip in

I have always wondered about the power systems that run these.  I mean hours of flight time, yet they are not gliders (I mean using thermals to maximise flight times).  Pack lots of lipos ?

That is cool.. 

Watch a video of our Javelin 100 NG Aerial Target being destroyed by gun fire on the HomePage www.kadet-uav.com

Nice... enjoyed it.

For some reason I feel that its an easy target for the forces.

-Ismail

Hi Izmile,

No UAV in world are capable of taking evasive action on their own. We need to understand UAV is a inteligent machines as far as avionics is concerned but is still controlled by operator. Secondly UAV's if intercepted during day by say attack hepters or fighters are sitting ducks & can't save them selves neither can the operator do much about it, untill unless it is carrying air to air missile onboard which is not the scenario in present generation UAV's(we can hope to see that in near future). Till now as far as my knowledege gose I have never heard of UAV's using chaff's against missils for the very reason that they are sitting ducks.

Well power systems are real regular ones but loads of amps in batterys, props sutaible to mission & most important these tactical UAV's have efficient wings with optimal aerofoils, big chords & wingspans etc. Once the cruise altituide is achived one really dose not require that much power.

Ya.. "Sitting ducks" says it all.

I understand that for initial testing of the guns/missiles you would require a ariel target. However, once the guns fully developed/mature I wonder why would the forces shoot at "sitting ducks" while the real threat has more advanced/complex flight path. To be honest, I do not feel it is fair (or worthwhile) to excercise a million dollar artillery on an easy target. I do hope that in near future this would improve and the targets gets smart and presents a real challenge to the training excercise.

-Ismail

Yes sitting ducks all right, but isn't that it is supposed to be? An expendable option rather than much costlier aircraft piloted by even costlier (to replace and psychologically) human/s in the cockpit?

Ismail,
Apart from the initial testing, you still need targets to practice/exercise your crew and equipment which is done under varied simulated condition. And yes even million $$ a piece ammunition still needs to be exercised by the troops. Almost all the forces in the world do it, it serves two purpose first to rotate your older ammunition (which is fired live under simulated condition) and then it gives practice to the crew.
A UAV meant for target practice would be entirely different from one meant for recee or UCAV.   

Do/Can we use these UAVs for kamikaze style attacks if the need be?Actually,it should be quite economical right?And also,are the Global Hawk and the Predator B the most advanced UAVs around?IS there any other UAV with weapons mounted on it other than the Predator B?

And as flyingboxcar said,UAVs are way better than manned planes.They are expendable.Like in the movie stealth ,when the commander tells the flight leader,"I send my men with bombs strapped to their a***s everytime they go out on a flight"(or something very close to that.)

Well the use of phrase "sitting ducks" was just to explain that the UAV's are not capable of taking evasive actions on it's own or by operator.
The aircrafts used for target practise of Air Defence Guns(not conventional artillery) are called PTA's or Target Drones. There is a mark difference between a UAV & a Drone. Drones are preprogramed before launch & may have minimal or no control during flight. Drones cannot be controled real time where as UAV's are controlled all through their flights. There is two way comunication between operator & a UAV.

Yes, practising the crew is the vital element. Apart from that, it still kind of appears naive to me. May be I am still missing something.

Here is my imagination of a target drone:  It would have an impact proof pod that houses the intelligent electronics and a radar. The drone shall be controlled by this pod. On detecting an incoming threat, the electronics could select the appropriate evasive action and would steer the drone appropriately. A few seconds before impact the electronics pod shall disengage itself from the drone and parachute itself. It can have a homing beacon for recovery and reuse.

All the above features would translate to increased cost but then there is a clear advantage. The crew could be trained better and the million $ AAA would face a real challenge.

-Ismail

this can only work with homing missiles(heat seekers,radar guided etc), but what about simple anti aircraft guns?

And Mr.Majraj, thanks for your explanation.Any idea which is the longest flying UAV operated by India now?

May be an impact sensor could be used.. similar to the ones used in cars to deploy the air bags. In fact, the IMU inside the electronic pod can sense an impact (or total loss of control). On sensing that the electronic pod shall eject itself and deploy the parachute.

Whether an UAV, Drone, Aeromodel etc, as long as it flies, and does not have a man/woman inside technically it can be called as Unmanned (dont know why is it never called unwomanned) Aerial Vehicle   

Well we can leave it to everybodys understanding & assimilation capabilities;-))) But on thing for sure we at RCIndia can coin a new term of "unmanned/womnned Air Vehicle". What say Flyingboxer;-))

Arey bhai majraj, *%$#@ (Admin do not worry! the receipent would understand and I have the rights to do this to him)
Check for typos, it is flyingboxcar not flyingboxer!

Flyingboxcar, intention of origenarator shud be understood, baki sab chalta hein. Administrators pl forgive him, he dose not what he is doing;-))))

Again missed out "know"
What are you up to with your .....?

What is the origin of "flyingboxcar" ?

'Bocks Car' was the B 29 that dropped the bomb on Nagasaki.

Wasn't it the "Enola Gay" that did this??

Your right it was both!!

Nice username.Unlike mine.

Enola gay dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. Bocks Car bombed Nagasaki.

HI praveen
can you call me on 09717120523 or mail mw on jtendra.gurjar@gmail.com

For what it is worth, the TERP is not a product of India. It is a product of Intellitech Microsystems Inc. from Maryland, USA which is no longer in business. The basic platform and name were my idea but I did not design the actual unit seen here. That was actually a combination of all of us at IMI. The TERP name was actually coined at dinner one night with the IMI gang. It originates from one of the team's University of MD t-shirt...the Terp is the college mascot. He is the same guy holding the plane in the photo. It stands for Tactical Electric Reconassisnce Plane. MKU also claimed that the Erasmus UAV was theirs too, that is the Vector P UAV. I would be surprised if they even have the old plane now.

We developed the TERP and it is true that MKU has license to sell the system. From the photos of the TERP II they have made minimal changes. It is unclear if they have a professional grade autopilot installed. Prevuously it used the Procerus unit. The video you see is from testing we did on the deep stall landing....it was hastily prepared and was never meant to be high quality. MKU's version does not have the ability to deep stall. This mod along with an ingenious wing mount were never provided to them making it susceptible to landing damage.

MKU abandoned IMI leaving them with a large debt for the development of the system. IMI survives in the form of Maryland Aerospace, FARCO and UAV-Assistance. It is unclear if the TERP will ever be produced in the US again...it was marketed under the name "Skyjumper" back in 2007-8.

Hope that sets the record straight.