Folks shall we hobbyists start to think about alternatives of Made in China stuff..... My reason for resentment is not the quality nor the price but something far more serious than that.......

     IT IS ENCROACHMENT OF CHINESE SOLDIERS IN LADAKH    .......

Seriously friends, we Indians consume a large chunk of Chinese products..... And with economy aided by our money they are trying to arm twist us, and that too for no reason  ...... Every $ we spend on their product will be used for weapon to diminish Morale of our Armed forces..... I myself was about to Order a real big consignment from Hobbyking for building a Hexacopter which I intended to use for aerial photography.... I spent nearly 25 days on internet just for searching all appropriate stuff..... and when I was to make final order, Chinese government showed their hostility 
Been moved by call of people on social networking groups, I decided to call it off as for now...

Aerial photography was intended for professional use, not for just fun..... So it was really hard to decide against the purchase.... But since I do understand where all our money would be used just in case a war like scenario erupts, I have no remorse in doing that


P.S.- Do we have info of non Chinese manufactured products

Well china market rocks. I always order from there. Its the cheapest and a lot of businesses are dependent upon them.

Even I am making a hexa. Check the buildlog.

Business interests are not above National interest ..... and 10th standard is 'not' too young age to understand that .... and yes Kiddo, while showering you with all praises on your Youtube channel, I never had idea that you are still not sensible enough to put casual remarks on such serious matters

okay old man

I dont know who desiclad is
Or how old he is
His ID may reflect his ideology
Nevertheless
We should consider his view
20 years back, when we used to live in Africa, we swore never to buy any Chinese stuff, for reasons relevant then.
Even now, we avoid as far as possible.
But 'as far as possible' is an escape.
Either in, or out
Should we take a stand, members?
Admin and Moderator, what do you say?

If you are to boycott Chinese products, you have to either go back to the stone age or be wealthy enough to afford the alternatives. Although I find no fault with desiclad's view, I cannot act upon it even if I want to.

Sir, are we to take a stand or not?
Either we buy Chinese stuff because it suits us.
Or we don't because we feel it's against national interest.
I too feel like an 'old man'
Moderator, where are you?

Not just the aeromodellers.
This whole country needs to decide.
Do we know why moderator is not responding?
He is busy at his job.
His job is to PROTECT YOU AND ME

Iyer Sir with due respect,  My name is Anurag and I live in Delhi. I am 29 years old and has degree in EC engineering.

 I always encourage young chaps to opt for science on school level, and Research oriented courses for Engg. grads. If I may I would like to narrate an incident which went in our class room during graduation.... One of our teacher had his brother on significant post in Army..... He was telling us that his brother told him about a defence intelligence report about Chinese army strategy..... He said,
China has divided entire world into 3 classes...
In Tier 3 India(What the hack) along with Vietnam Pakistan etc were targeted to supersede by all means by 2010, which he achieved in 2008 itself.....
Tier 2- UK, Japan, Russia, Korea were targeted to supersede by 2015
Tier 1 USA to be superseded by 2015
Superseding involved both Economical as well as strategical.

If a nation wish to see itself at top of world there is nothing wrong with his ambition..... But placing India among Tier 3 countries and that too with likes of Vietnam, holy crap...... are we really that miserable..... We are just 10% less than them in population and both of us achieved Independence nearly at same time...... So what has been causing so much disparity between us?

Sir truthfully on that very day I decided to spend rest of life on working for betterment of research in our country...

Some of you might wonder why this place..... I must say this place is not just accomodating Hobbyists but best among the mass.....Educated, affluent people who are resourceful to Import stuff from abroad .....
Considering the engraving effect of our puchase I thought it is prudential to take the cause to community...... This might hurt business interests of fine folks running hobby shops who sell after importing them.... but they shall too look towards  others shores like Taiwan, Korea, Japan etc to take care of their business.... Cause if we all show some integrity a strong message would be sent to tyrannical forces, and that too in most peaceful and democratic way

Rahul Vyas,
Ok old man
Is something you should apologise for
To all old men still living in this country
Since before independence
Your target is only 29 years old
I fear that for many of us, the issue is
'Whats our self interest '
While for a few of us it may be
WHAT IS OUR COUNTRY'S INTEREST
Moderator, where are you?

Bro think about your future generations, don't just give up to your hobbyist urge.....
Those people are spending our money into their R&D works so that they can bully we people itself ... I am not saying to renounce your hobbies... but we can look towards other peace loving places to supply even if costs us a bit more.... and in mean time Hobby shops can form a conglomerate to develop their own indigenous stuff.... Because brushless motors has no secret into them.... All technology is well known, so is the case of ESCs
  
And remember if we Indians can provide our rockets for launching satellites of even Europian countries, then this task too shall not sound implausible

Here is our view about this discussion.

WE MUST GIVE UP USING CHINESE stuff.

HOW?

Big question. Needs consideration. It is not modelling it is more then 50% of our daily needs. May we request members to come up with ideas how to become part of these constructive thoughts?

Lets start with small ideas and implement it practically. Please shoot with very basic ideas to start with. Please do not feel " It is too small to consider"

Our contribution might be small but it would certainly draw a line. Let this discussion include a list what we can avoid in first phase, second phase and so on.... Slowly but firmly we would achieve what we thrive for.

Suggestions requested..

Regards,

Sphere Hobbies
+91-99251-20630

Mr. Anurag, I am a middle aged fossil of 47. I have no degrees, no money and very little intelligence.

Frankly my dear, who gives a damn about what China 'thinks' of us? Whether it classes us with Vietnam or Tanzania - why should that make a difference to us? Why are we getting hot and bothered about something that some teacher told you some years ago? When I was in school, my teacher told me that Panama Hats were exported from Panama. Does that become a Gospel truth? Come on, give me a break.

People in India buy Chinese goods because they are perceived as 'value for money'. If I can get a Chinese switch for 2 bucks for my living room CFL, why should I spend 15 bucks buying an Anchor product? Why has the Indian government allowed this to happen? What sops has it given the Indian industries to produce goods for the population at competitive / less than Chinese prices?

I buy Vicks Action 500 from the market to ward off my viral fever @ 24 bucks for 10 tablets. The Indian government exports generic paracetamol tablets @ Rs. 1.00 for 50 tablets to European medical conglomerates. The poor Indian dies on the streets due to lack of medical facilities.

What brand of TV / Cell phone / Toaster /Washing machine / Refrigerator / Car do you use Mr. Anurag? 60% of the components are made in China.

Why don't you stand on your balcony and get ready to throw them down - destroy them - give them to me.

You are preaching your 'Be Indian - Shun Chinese - Buy American / European' to 7900 odd members of a Hobby forum and that, frankly, is your immaturity on display. 1.2 billion people may be idiots and gullible and want to take the easy way out. You can pity them, for all I care. What you need to do is start convincing the 552 + 250 members of our esteemed Parliament to change things. Of course you won't do that. No one wants to bell the cat. No one wants to break into a jail and publicly hang rapists - they would rather arrange candle light rallies for the rape victim. Candle light rallies get more press coverage. Tirades on a forum attract so much of attention. For example, see this meaningless thread that you have started - so many responses. Its laughable.

A handful of hobbyists operating on shoe string budgets and deciding to 'Be Indian Buy European' isn't going to change anything.

I hate to rain on your parade, but get real. Please leave us alone - we don't need your lectures here.

Sorry if I sound like a total cad here, Hobbyking Zindabad!!!

Regards.

Oh and by the way, this post is being (at the moment) read by some senior defence officers who are tasked with protecting our borders from a Chinese Aggression. They are also strategists who are helping plan the counter strike measures, when the need arises.

These officers are also RC Enthusiasts who have no compunction buying or using Chinese ESC's, Motors and other components. Our defence forces are more than capable of repelling 'Chinese Invaders' only if the elected Government allows them to do so.  

How much of knowledge do you have of Indo/Chinese conflicts? I doubt it. The Press talks about the 62 'Chinese Aggression'. Who was the REAL "Aggressor'? Who attacked whom in 1962? Who forced the events?  Read this book: India's China War by Neville Maxwell (google it). It will shake your foundations of belief. This is my research area, trust me on this. It is no coincidence that Nehru died heartbroken in 1964.

Let's not get our priorities mixed up.

I chose to never ever drink in my life. A lot of people think I am stupid. I think the ones who drink are mature enough to make their own decision, and they know the cons of it very well. But they seem to agree with this recent poll :

http://www.inquisitr.com/408611/big-surprise-sex-and-alcohol-make-you-happier-than-kids-and-religion-study-finds/

I think that poll is bull-crap ! But who am I to question them ?

Enough said ?

VC Shriman.... Calm Down Sir.... Sorry for strong words , but are you trying to show me the spine-less character of society .....

 If you think every fella around think the way you think, then think again...... Look at Gentleman from Sphere Hobbies.... At least he showed his concern toward what's happening on border by calling for ideas to cope with situation..... If something like what is being discussed here really happen, then he being trader might have to bear the brunt on his business first place....

Nobody nowhere called for shifting there sight at Europe who themselves import it from Asia and sell with relabeled tags....

And what does Panamese hats has to do with our national interests........ Do they force those wearing them to invade into territory of some peace lovING nation..... I doubt that

Regarding you buying 2 bucks Chinese switch instead of 15 bucks anchor one, well you surely can afford Anchor if you don't have to buy a thousand swithces..... and if you really need thousand switches then you are not entitled to be called as hobbyist with "shoe-strung budget"

Indeed you does seems a little too infatuated to watch a flying object in air with it's RC in your hand, irrespective of what price you have to pay in long terms
And you would nomore have privilege to see your Aircrafts airborne if something untowardly happens.

I am no hate spearder or Xenophobic but I wish to know,
 
     WHY THE HELL YOU THINK ITS ONLY GOVERNMENT'S AND ARMED FORCE'S RESPONSIBILTY TO SAFEGUARD INTERESTS OF NATION WHEN even citizens can make their contribution too  

Please donot try to draw lines between responsibilty of Commoners and Hobbyists... at the end of the day we are all the same

With Warm Regards

Hello Desiclad,
Just curious to know which Laptop or computer you are using to spread " discard China stuff" ??

Regds....

 I have been using an assembled PC with majority/entirely made in China components which I bought 6 years back..... Trust me I believe in "practice before preach" theory... and of course we have been talking about present day scenario..... I at no point said to discard previously bought stuff, after all we have paid for it and deserve to have them as long as we wish....
   At the same time remember that patriotism is at bloom during non-peace times..... If it is urged to folks to abandon Chinese products to express our resentment what's wrong in that??

Warm Regards

"Be the change you want to see in the world"- M K Gandhi

Off course we are referring "our country" as world here.

If people like it, they will follow you.

Damn true Sir.... but I just cann't afford to change the past........
For fututre, pretty surely

Discalimer
This is no sermon on the mount, i will gladly give my life for my country and my countrymen without batting an eyelid, be that as it may. Answer to yourself to the following questions.

(a) Who created borders?
(b) Is my neighbour from mars and has four hands and five legs ?
(c) When you have a birds eye view (a view from space) can you tell me where your country ends and neighbours begins ?
(d) Can you prosper with a weak neighbour around?
(e) After you invade and capture someone else's land do you think the problem will go away?
(f) Have you heard of 'the treaty of westphalia' ? can you differentiate between 1. Nation, 2. Nation State & 3. State
(g) Heard of the adage 'Follow the money' ? in a conflict if you follow the money, where does it eventually end ? heard of arms race ?
(h) Do you think common men/folks of neighbouring countries hate each other ? Don't you seriously believe, trouble is fortune for few and misery for most ?
(g) If you believe in after life, does your atma/rooh goes to 'Different countries in heaven", has god created different hell and heaven etc for people from different regions ?

Remember, we are basically animals, animal instinct is to kill, attack etc is natural for humans. advantage we have over rest of the animals is that, we have the capability to reason, to live in harmony & to love/respect and..and to fight and strive to become 'One World'.(boycott canend this dream)

earlier we realise that we are humans, better it is for us and for our future generations. attitude of hatred will bring only misery, not progress or happiness. To schmaltz you up, so that you get worked up and play into the hands of manipulators is the old ruse all rulers have been using for ages, to rules over masses with average intelligence people. This hobby unites people, people from different region, country & continent.

I rest my case, Desiclad (apt handle name) could you answer it to yourself first for the above mentioned questions, before entering the debate
 

My post is entirely lost on you. I mistakenly credited you with common sense and net intelligence. Evidently an error in my judgement.

As far as some LHS/retailer supporting your high flown 'if wishes were horses' scheme - nothing to say. Request you to check his stocks of 50% Chinese inventory. Would he survive, if he refused to stock / deal in any Chinese origin products? Ask him for his sales figures - what % of his sales are contributed by Chinese / Taiwanese/ Korean products?

I resign.

how will you stop the heavy machinery made in China from being imported to India, my father is an industrialist and deals with power plants, sponge iron plants and guess what ? all that came from China... i am not taking side here or acting stupid.
being an economics student, i say,
 
why cant we Indians study harder and make our nation better??
work more and be wise to your nation and see the difference.
 

Dear Sir..... you does seems to be smith of words and your intentions too seems noble. But you handed a quetionaire full of mystical words and that too with a warning..... So I choose to answer them with patience.... Give me time till morning such that my answer doesn't disappoint you and seem hastily answered one

Warm Regards

VC Sir.... don't think me to be rude...... You are very well ahead of me both in terms of age and experience in all spheres of life.... What I tried to said, we all irrespective of where we live in India are all peace loving people... I myself has been a platinum member of Hobbyking... and I am glad about my association with them..... BUT... is there any other way out to express our resentment to hostile behaviour our neighbours in as democratic way as its being done over here..... In your earlier post you said to cat the bell and tell elected representatives directly.... Are they so easily accessible..... Would that be as fruitful as reaching the mass itself.....
Is it ethical for neighbour to capture our land for no reason, we continue to be ignorant... shall we not take measurements not to make their pockets any further deep to take dig on us??

Warm Regards

Hostile behaviour? Who? Who is hostile? Who is sabre rattling? Who is perpetrating the 'ahimsa' doctrine and at the same time inviting trouble? Who is fostering terrorism? Who is allowing the folk dance of Arunachal Pradesh to be showcased in the Beijing Olympics as a 'Chinese Dance Form'? Who is visiting China / Pakistan for fostering 'Bilateral Agreements'? What a joke!

Aditya bhai, I do understand that.... it's not easy to shun all trading ties with them at once.. Moreover it might never be needed.... Chinese people surely do have cheapest manufacturing cost round the globe.... there is no harm in doing trade together.... but what if someone try to misuse that money against us ourself...... I only intended to say, that we all being individuals need to send a strong message to them via such methods, that you cann't do trade and bullying simultaneously

and yes Indian & Chinese people are neck to neck everywhere, be it no. of GRE students going abroad for higher studies or otherwise they are racing close...... Its manufacturing cost where their trade secret lies

Regards

Whoever be the culprit of all your questions but I am sure its not us common people.... Why shall I be questioned for actions of Indian & Chinese governments...... Why the hell I am being held accountable for what they have done or are doing...... The method which was called for is in my humble opinion, the best possible way to vent our frustration out on them without any diplomatic complicacies, would you tell me where I am wrong about that?

And you tell me why I have been asked so many questions as I have been standing for President of America elections? I simply opined about expression of anger in most subtle way. You nowhere mentioned about what I said about our space missions. If Chinese people are really that cost effective why would anybody bother to usr our services to launch their sattelites??

You are being held accountable because you started this tirade/ We were happier flying our planes and sailing our boats and racing our cars without you.

Keep your not so 'humble opinion' to yourself and let us live our lives as we deem it fit.

You've been asked questions because you exposed an interest and/or tacitly invited the members to question you by posting this redundant thread. Hell with you, young man, you are just a candle burner. Burn in peace - somewhere else.

Free speech is an awesome power but it must come with responsibility.  Anone can say I just expressed an opinion but if it incited a riot or if it was said in an unreasonable manner, there should always be accountability.

Surely everyone has ideas to try and improve systems and everyone uses criticisms to say something isn't working. And from both angles, the activists try and pull people to their side to get them to act to become activists too.  But usually, you have to "sell" change by showing the benefits.

Let's just say that all the RC hobbyists today, that we all agreed today to stop buying Made-in-China products, how does that improve our lives, how does it improve the leisure time we spend relaxing in this hobby?  Does it improve suddenly if we buy RC products made in Germany?

Desiclad, you are facing some skeptics here about your idea.  If you present the evidence that proves the RC community will reap tons of benefits by buying from other countries that make RC products (ESCs, brushless motors, etc), this is your time.  You now have the floor and we are all ears.  Please focus on RC products.

Why the Hell you guys just keep chanting the RC COMMUNITY word so untiringly!!!!!......

Do Hobbyists and other people have different responsibilities towards society???....... You simply trying to segregate hobyists from rest of people..... "I asked why to keep filling Chinese pockets if they ultimately wish to use it against we people"!!!!!! Why the hell anyone on earth would love to so!!!!!!!  And if you still believe I was wrong kindly leave me with my thoughts and you keep relishing the leisure of flying

I simply said can we look towards Taiwan, Korea or other places to fulfill our needs..... no one botherd to answer that!!!!!!!!!!   Instead I have been being wrongly held responsible for calling to buy from Europe Germany, where the hell I mentioned these places!!!!!!!!

You all chose not to answer my query part, why cann't anyone of you suggest me some place where I find non Chinese produces???.......

And this place is not a private sphere.......If it is really and if my opinions are really so 'Redundant', please ask admins to take care of it

Why you spoiled so many words of yours just to prove me wrong...... You been here since ages on this community, you must be knowing a dozen non Chinese places, why can't you suggest me couple of em( after all that I asked for)...... Your Chinese products affinity is really unbelievable   

Anurag

Underlying frustration of your thought is understandable, and it has nothing to do with shunning Chinese Goods it is in theth Hindi 'Bebasi', why aren't we self sufficient why cant we be another Chinese Market? making products at competitive costs? you have given the answer yourself, Cut Down the production & transportation cost

Answers lies on the table of the Policy Makers of this country, if following things are ensured, there are enough entrepreneurs who will do wonders

(a) Kill red-tapism
(b) Create a climate for Prosperity, by (a) Helping Startups (b) giving Land and other assets under govt lying underutilized (c) Go easy on tax
(c) Kill Corruption
(d) Improve infrastructure and transportation
(e) many other things only a business man can think off

Point is, Shunning is not the solution 'Self Sufficiency' is 'Promoting Entrepreneurship, however small is' , with 1.2 billion cant we beat China or any other country ? 'hell we can', policies have to play ball, system has to be re-vamped, we got to strive individually.

There are Two ways of winning 1. Strive and Win 2. Pull opponent down and win (Hate to use this 'Like the Great Indian Crab') )

Aren't you suggesting 'Pull Opponent down and win' ? FFT

Let me give you historical examples of how policy change changed the situation/country's face

(a) Mr Manmohan Singh's economic policies
(b) Removal of 'Prohibition' which actually put people like Al Capone out of Job
(c) Policies on Gold Import which killed Gold Smuggling by the Mumbai underworld in the 70s

many such examples are there for us to see

Sir Dear Sir, I just can't express how delighted your posts make me..... I am glad that you are around & talk sensible stuff     , unlike others Who JUST, leave it....
  
 Sir if I may I would like to bring it to your notice that in my earlier post I suggested that folks around with lots of Hobby experience and who has been running similar business can form a conglomerate to take care of self sufficiency...... Atleast we can start it with our own indigenous ESC where hardware requirements are not too difficult to meet

Warm Regards

Finally, China-India face-off ends as armies withdraw from Ladakh 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/China-India-face-off-ends-as-armies-withdraw-from-Ladakh/articleshow/19899731.cms

VC Sir our conversation didn't went in vain      Chinese were listening to us....

Sorry about everything that offended you, You are still a Fine Gent who helps all newbees like me in hobby league 

With loads of warm Regards
Anurag

  Anytime old chap! I enjoyed the tête à tête too. No hard feelings.

Honestly, I too feel frustrated to see the Indian Govt. do NOTHING to help our small scale industries. We could have been producing Brushless motors, ESC's and LIPo's in no time at all at prices that are more than competitive as compared to Shantou/ Guangzhou.

The saddest part is that fine brushless motors are manufactured in India, yet, they are for EXPORT ONLY. Just like the generic medicines that could save lives of millions of poor people.

I thank you for giving me an opportunity to vent my frustrations.

Incidentally, + 1 to you...........

I just added a point to your Reputation, strangely it hasn't increased from 1 to 2. I wonder why?

Indeed privilege was all mine Sir .... I hope I will keep learning from fine Fellas like you...

Infact I have been working on something to fix things right at the grass-root level without having to deal with government hiccups..... Surely would love to make it better by your blessings when time will permit me to ellaborate it

Thanks for kindness Sir......

Although your kind words were motivational enough, nevertheless I feel lucky to have prolonged chats with people like you