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Title: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 02:01:34 PM
this is my project glider i had discussed earlier


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: vinay on June 30, 2010, 02:07:30 PM
Iam not able to see anything.  :headscratch:


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 02:16:33 PM
these are the pics


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 02:19:17 PM
Some more


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 02:20:35 PM
please notee that the main wing has not been permanently attached yet


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 02:25:00 PM
plz helpp :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help:


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: anwar on June 30, 2010, 02:32:59 PM
This is a V-Tail design right ?  My immediate thought is that bigger tail fins would help.

And to answer your question, why not just throw it against the wind into some tall grass and see how well it glides  ? :)


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 02:39:04 PM
sir the fins are fixed permanently now :( ???


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: anwar on June 30, 2010, 03:02:12 PM
I am confused... what prevent you from testing this by chucking it towards some tall grass, rather than asking others who will be forced to guess the outcome :) 

Remember that even Mr Ashta here (the person who builds most number of foam planes) still tests his planes by test gliding them, so please do not expect people to give you YES or NO answers to such questions (I hope I am wrong, but chances are remote !).


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: ujjwaana on June 30, 2010, 03:27:12 PM
I second Anwar. Why did you use a V-Tail with elevator ? The Tail should definately a little bigger even when you have 2 of them. They greatly stabilize Yaw. You would also need a bigger elevator. The plane design is interesting. put some re-reinforcement to the Fuse , esp under the wings, with the same material fuse is made of.

Put some weight to CG the plane at around 1/3 of the leading edge and throw it against wind on grassy field. If the empty plane cannot survive such hand launch, it wont with electronics and battery.


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 03:46:27 PM
sir the fuse is made of 2 square caborn rods which are 4 cm apart and it wont have any servos or control ...only a motor , a relay and a circuit


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: anwar on June 30, 2010, 04:44:34 PM
See you are trailblazing :)  So you tell us how it all works out :thumbsup:


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 06:01:15 PM
sure sir :thumbsup: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute:


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: ujjwaana on June 30, 2010, 08:06:03 PM
sir the fuse is made of 2 square caborn rods which are 4 cm apart and it wont have any servos or control ...only a motor , a relay and a circuit

Do rethink about the Tail/Elevator sizes as even Anwar has pointed out(he is moderator of this forum and an avid Heli flyer, apart from Planes)

Why are you using a relay ?  What is the material used for fuse/Wings ? Coro or Biofoam ? Nice to see newbies going guns!! All the best..


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 09:05:14 PM
wings are made up of biofoam


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 09:07:12 PM
fuse i made up of two square carbon rods..and 3 chips of balsa plywood


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 09:15:14 PM
i will post more pics tomorrow.....which will include the circuit motor..asnd 90 % complete plane


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: anwar on June 30, 2010, 09:40:07 PM
Since this is "powered free flight", please try the flying characteristics by chucking it into grass as mentioned before (with the motor not running).  If the first flight itself is powered, and you find out that it cannot glide, all your effort will go in vain in a few seconds.

I still do not fully understand what your plans are (with the "motor, relay and circuit" part), so pardon me if my suggestion does not make sense.


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 10:31:12 PM
i will show u all the circuit tomorrow


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on June 30, 2010, 10:38:53 PM
i had a test glide today ...it covered nearly 4 n half meters...so now changing the the v tail to normal rudder and elevator system... can u suggest me the size and shape of rudder and elevator..


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on July 01, 2010, 02:07:50 PM
Some modifications made this morning


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: Ashta on July 01, 2010, 04:10:42 PM
here are some info to read

http://www.flyingsites.co.uk/downloads/index.htm
http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/articles/beginner_1/

http://www.airfieldmodels.com/information_source/math_and_science_of_model_aircraft/rc_aircraft_design/index.htm
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1261618

http://www.rc-airplane-world.com/how-airplanes-fly.html
if u have alreday gone thru, then leave it


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on July 01, 2010, 09:35:50 PM
sadly the project has come to an end...the plane broke...... :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( ............now have think of something else soon


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: VC on July 01, 2010, 10:38:06 PM
Ashta Sir,

WEALTH of information in the sites quoted by you.

Thanks a million.

VC


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: VC on July 01, 2010, 10:40:03 PM
Akky, just get another set of plans and start building - the next one will be better. All the best!


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on July 01, 2010, 11:37:47 PM
no more scratch building....especially from biofoam.....its a useless material.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:...............everytime a make a plane..the same happen...it happened with my f22 raptor also...


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: anwar on July 02, 2010, 12:10:21 AM
Nope, biofoam is an easy to fix material that is cheap (yes, it is brittle too).  The issue is that you put a motor on such a model with no real control.  You should try to make it either a free flight one (rubberband powered) OR you should make it a full remote controlled one.


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on July 02, 2010, 12:34:12 AM
anwar sir i tested it by the method u told chucked it without any motr or anything...but after 3 meters it went up..nose at 80 degress...then fell directly of its tail


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on July 02, 2010, 12:35:24 AM
tomorrow going to buy sunpack sheet 7 feet by 4....it will cost around Rs 400


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: anwar on July 02, 2010, 01:10:44 AM
then fell directly of its tail

The whole idea was to do it into tall grass that would absorb the impact... looks like this was not done ?


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on July 02, 2010, 01:24:52 AM
sir couldnt fine any ground with tall grass..so tested it in my garden


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: hangingtough on July 02, 2010, 08:46:34 AM
hi,

i presume if the plan landed tail first that means that the plane was not nose heavy ,

But i think all gliders needs to have nose heavy to do a forward flight.


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: rohitgupta322 on July 02, 2010, 09:44:02 AM
Akky don't get frustrated so easily. Everyone learns from their mistakes. So, try and build another one with proper knowledge, there are many experts in this forum who can guide and help you whenever necessary.


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: ujjwaana on July 02, 2010, 11:07:29 AM
no more scratch building....especially from biofoam.....its a useless material.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:...............everytime a make a plane..the same happen...it happened with my f22 raptor also...

Good that you are not quitting. Try your luck with Coro. But don't undermine Biofoam. You see Ashta sir fixing totally ravaged Biofoam plane to fly - he fixed my Estratos whose left wing broke from middle and it flew again!!
A 80 degree climb would definitely result in a stall followed by a nose dive. Your plane was  Tail-heavy. There is this common tendency by newbie like us to make our plane Tail heavy when there is very small window of 'Angle of attack' and a slight high alpha leads to a stall.

slight nose heavy plane is better to start with. Only learning from your own mistakes would help you. If the basics are wrong, it won't be long to crash even a shiny ARF/RTF.

All the best.


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on July 02, 2010, 11:35:35 AM
goining to do it again...and put some weight on the nose


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on July 02, 2010, 01:16:44 PM
finally my plane has got a name..."DOWN 4"......todal did some decal work on the main wing


Title: Re: will this thing fly or not
Post by: akky on July 02, 2010, 01:18:23 PM
an d when i come to quiting from this hobby...its near to impossible...onece a person is in he cant get out....