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Title: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on October 30, 2016, 06:04:58 AM
This is a twin motor 61"span Electric Powered low wing monoplane

It is being adapted to Corro instead of the original Balsa

Plans here: http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=7334

(https://s25.postimg.org/g5gerx5of/7334.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on October 30, 2016, 06:05:57 AM
Brief Specs

(https://s25.postimg.org/v2kaf6tj3/IMG_20161029_091933.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/ajpea4flr/IMG_20161029_091946.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on October 30, 2016, 06:07:59 AM
(https://s25.postimg.org/bojgfi22n/IMG_20161029_120831.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/7gt9khq0v/IMG_20161029_120836.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/elb2tixa7/IMG_20161029_124342.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on October 30, 2016, 06:09:18 AM
(https://s25.postimg.org/x25hkcd8f/IMG_20161029_164214.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/kosndfnjz/IMG_20161029_183933.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/n7ece49a7/IMG_20161029_183941.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 01, 2016, 01:02:26 PM
(https://s25.postimg.org/4e6bmcf7j/IMG_20161029_124342.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/unre5514v/IMG_20161030_181426.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/n922crf9b/IMG_20161030_192306.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 01, 2016, 01:03:57 PM
(https://s25.postimg.org/avp85upkv/IMG_20161031_054322.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/v4clrkovz/IMG_20161031_113006.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/k61c9e0an/IMG_20161031_165809.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 01, 2016, 01:05:23 PM
(https://s25.postimg.org/ot7eb5nnj/IMG_20161031_194704.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/ew1ff7mdb/IMG_20161101_065624.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/tgiia1hbz/IMG_20161101_082414.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 01, 2016, 01:06:52 PM
(https://s25.postimg.org/gqe9wy9dr/IMG_20161101_082422.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/wd5jabn5r/IMG_20161101_090057.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/tx3pwh533/IMG_20161101_115628.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/5543p8nwf/IMG_20161101_115800.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 01, 2016, 01:08:31 PM
Testing the Twin Set-up

https://youtu.be/Qajg38E_1Pc


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: PRANAVK09 on November 01, 2016, 09:23:40 PM
Nice build sir   {:)}
Your builds in  coro  are with great precision... :hatsoff:


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 02, 2016, 05:22:14 AM
Thanks Pranav  :thanks:


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: manojswizera on November 02, 2016, 09:55:11 AM
well going sir,
those are very powerful motors, i have one of them.
the build is going to be heavy ?


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 02, 2016, 11:41:54 AM
Thanks Manoj

The design says 6 lbs 12 oz, or about 2 Kg

I'm targetting 2.1-2.2 Kg

That will give me a Wing Loading of 17 oz/sq ft, or a WCL (Wing Cube Loading) of 8.2; sport model

Suggested suitable values for WCL are:

Gliders   -   under 4
Trainers   -   6 to 7
Aerobatic   -   9 to 10
Scale   -   12 to 13
Racers   -   15 and over


Title: Re:
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 02, 2016, 01:23:20 PM
Sorry, typo. As per design, weight is 3 Kg

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Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: rastsaurabh on November 02, 2016, 01:48:33 PM
Sir,
Its coming out good. Fuse will be red / white ?

What is the propeller size you are planning on this.
And did you find a way to have RPMs same for both motors ?

regds
Saurabh


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 02, 2016, 05:43:33 PM
Thank you Saurabh

Fuse will be blue,as that is the only thicker corro I have ;)
I will be using 10 X 4.5 contra-rotating e-props

I have used two independent ESC's, powered by a single LiPo. I hope that will be reasonably accurate. The ESCs are the same brand/capacity etc.


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 02, 2016, 05:49:01 PM
(https://s25.postimg.org/bydnczthb/IMG_20161102_063347.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/5973wz85b/IMG_20161102_063352.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: K K Iyer on November 02, 2016, 08:10:08 PM
I have used two independent ESC's, powered by a single LiPo. I hope that will be reasonably accurate. The ESCs are the same brand/capacity etc.

That set me thinking...
Two similar ESCs, or one double capacity ESC to both motors?
Which would be better?
I don't have the theoretical knowledge to answer that.

I'm sure you'll try both and give us a real world answer...


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: taitil on November 02, 2016, 08:31:24 PM
Yes Pranavbhai..Sanjay Sir is the Master of making coro plane.. I have learn some techniques from him :salute: :salute: :salute:


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: kiran rc on November 02, 2016, 10:56:45 PM
Two similar ESCs, or one double capacity ESC to both motors?
Which would be better?
A single ESC can be used to drive two motors. The only advantage of having two ESC's is that one can use the difference in thrust of the two engines to make turns.
(Using dual rates). Practically, one esc would be just fine.
 


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: K K Iyer on November 02, 2016, 11:26:26 PM
The advantage of having two ESC's is that one can use the difference in thrust of the two engines to make turns.
(Using dual rates)

Huh?  :headscratch:



Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 03, 2016, 05:16:36 AM
Yes Pranavbhai..Sanjay Sir is the Master of making coro plane.. I have learn some techniques from him :salute: :salute: :salute:

Thanks Taitil-bhai :D


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 03, 2016, 05:17:44 AM
The advantage of having two ESC's is that one can use the difference in thrust of the two engines to make turns.
(Using dual rates)

Huh?  :headscratch:



Would need dual throttles. Or some complicated control system/mix


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 04, 2016, 06:59:43 AM
(https://s25.postimg.org/jpbzsl43j/IMG_20161102_091747.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/kg4pyd6gv/IMG_20161103_100153.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 04, 2016, 07:01:23 AM
(https://s25.postimg.org/6nqb2qfpb/IMG_20161103_100214.jpg)

Nose Cone

(https://s25.postimg.org/6c8upyz9b/IMG_20161103_112225.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/mv16wjc3j/IMG_20161104_061410.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 04, 2016, 07:04:53 AM
Because of the size and shape, I decided not to make the horizontal stab from Corro; instead went for balsa.

(https://s25.postimg.org/t3miq49of/IMG_20161103_194957.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/hsjv1r2tb/IMG_20161103_202450.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/knwy8m6tb/IMG_20161103_203948.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 04, 2016, 07:06:50 AM
(https://s25.postimg.org/bhenlc1kv/IMG_20161103_203958.jpg)

Used HK Hinge Points (an affordable clone of Robart Hinge Points)

(https://s25.postimg.org/ft39ac8hr/IMG_20161104_061420.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/6mkyn239b/IMG_20161104_061429.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 06, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
(https://s25.postimg.org/6crosb9q7/IMG_20161104_061410.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/vk766b27z/IMG_20161105_121826.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/c3mgjs73z/IMG_20161105_121837.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 06, 2016, 12:23:06 PM
(https://s25.postimg.org/a0c1c47b3/IMG_20161105_121850.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/3nww2a48v/IMG_20161105_130211.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: rastsaurabh on November 06, 2016, 06:22:39 PM
Sir this going to be a huge plane...... More than 2feet stab!!!!

Looking forward for the final built.


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 06, 2016, 06:45:02 PM
 :thanks: Saurabh


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 07, 2016, 09:20:30 AM
(https://s25.postimg.org/kyrw81la7/IMG_20161106_200223.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/fomxgr11b/IMG_20161106_200241.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 07, 2016, 09:21:23 AM
(https://s25.postimg.org/ulvehre9r/IMG_20161107_085335.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/afrwivim7/IMG_20161107_085342.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: samayaraj on November 07, 2016, 10:38:55 AM
Dear Mr. Sanjay,

Its nicely built. Especially you added balsa to both nose and tail end makes more attractive.

How did you fix the motor mount to wings? Is it hot glue or epoxy? Is there any reinforcement done in motor mounts?


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 07, 2016, 10:44:35 AM
Thank you for your kind comments

By mount I presume you men the motor mount plate? This is made from 10 mm ply, and fixed with SR 998 Adhesive and screws. Epoxy does not work too well on many plastics including Corro

If you mean the nacelle (the complete motor housing assembly,) this is fixed on the wing with hot glue and screws


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: samayaraj on November 07, 2016, 11:00:17 AM
Ya I meant the whole motor housing assembly. Is fevicol synthetic adhesive is that much strong with coro & plywood? I will try it.



Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sharlock on November 07, 2016, 02:02:28 PM
Going great...  {:)}  want to see it fly...


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 07, 2016, 05:05:10 PM
Thanks Sharlock. Even I do  :rofl:

Let's see, pretty near completion now


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 08, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
(https://s25.postimg.org/cpg0tmrjz/IMG_20161107_124805.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/6ps9pz6rj/IMG_20161107_124820.jpg)

The main LG was too close to the prop. So dis some adjustment to the LG - shimmed it with a wood wedge

(https://s25.postimg.org/s0uf7ze9r/IMG_20161107_124923.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 08, 2016, 08:15:36 PM
(https://s25.postimg.org/rqmwomznj/IMG_20161108_131014.jpg)


.....and put some stand-offs on the motors too. Plus, the CG needed this


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 08, 2016, 08:16:23 PM
2 X 3300 mah

(https://s25.postimg.org/g08z796v3/IMG_20161107_200525.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 08, 2016, 08:17:14 PM
Now to do a bit of decoration

(https://s25.postimg.org/fq1gnws8v/IMG_20161108_170524.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 18, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
Ready for maiden

(https://s25.postimg.org/9vnhhbvgf/IMG_20161118_100614_HDR.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/d3ryudhq7/IMG_20161118_100624_HDR.jpg)

(https://s25.postimg.org/4mx1x72f3/IMG_20161118_100633_HDR.jpg)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on November 18, 2016, 06:11:44 PM
Awesome build sanjay sir.... You always makes me speechless and jealous by your builds....


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 18, 2016, 07:03:01 PM
Awesome build sanjay sir.... You always makes me speechless and jealous by your builds....

Thanks Dev. Just hope it flies :D


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: taitil on November 20, 2016, 12:12:27 PM
 :salute: :salute: :salute:
Sir, should you set Canopy for this nice build ?


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 20, 2016, 07:59:07 PM
Thanks Taitil bhai. No, no canopy etc.Mood nahi hai   ;)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: K K Iyer on November 20, 2016, 08:13:04 PM
Sir,
Thought of a humourous suggestion, even took photo.
Refrained from posting in case you might actually be in an upset mood.
Regards as always...


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 20, 2016, 08:18:14 PM
Just post it (growl)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: Antriksh on November 20, 2016, 09:00:39 PM
Another Beauty in the hanger.
Nice and clean build sir.


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: K K Iyer on November 20, 2016, 09:38:02 PM
Just post it (growl)

Suggestion for improving mood and making canopy at the same time:

Drink one bottle. Then cut its neck. Then divide it once vertically and once horizontally.

(Worst come to worst, you'll at least get one good dakaar from the exercise  ;D)



Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 21, 2016, 06:29:37 AM
Another Beauty in the hanger.
Nice and clean build sir.

Thank you Antriksh


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 21, 2016, 06:30:32 AM
Iyer sir! What an idea, sirji    :rofl:


Title: Re: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: Voice of deaf on November 22, 2016, 12:23:03 AM
That set me thinking...
Two similar ESCs, or one double capacity ESC to both motors?
Which would be better?
I don't have the theoretical knowledge to answer that.
Using one ESC to power two bldc is not a good idea , as these are synchronous ESCs the ESC talks to the motor and I don't think that at any time instant , the angular position of the two motors will be same .. ... Hope I am not wrong

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Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on November 23, 2016, 05:43:26 AM
What has the angular position of the motors got to do with it? This is not a multi-copter


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 11, 2016, 07:43:00 PM
Successful maiden today

Video in bits and pieces ;)

Take-off

https://youtu.be/DPntLvCBwZ8

https://youtu.be/eFPp1EIAka0


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 11, 2016, 07:47:33 PM
In the air

https://youtu.be/Lyhiylcj1sE

https://youtu.be/gW-73jBQqhY


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 11, 2016, 07:51:06 PM
Landing approach and landing

https://youtu.be/NHElbTGDYIQ

https://youtu.be/kQnOx9xMPms

https://youtu.be/J9ReSbGidbw


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 11, 2016, 07:55:35 PM
Comments: Flies very well indeed! Excellent slow fly characteristics, cruises at 30% throttle comfortably

It was taken off and trimmed by Group Captain Ramesh (retd.) flown by me, and landed by Nishad  ;D

Needed a fair amount of down-trim, and showed a little tendency to climb under power. These suggest to me some downthrust is required

This concludes this build for the 2016 Sweepstakes, thanks for following


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: rastsaurabh on December 11, 2016, 08:08:00 PM
Sir, This was a excellent trial with twin engine. If i remember this is your 2 nd model with twin motors.

The Takeoff was soft and quick.

So now to the question of motors spinning at different RPM ( in a one battery 2 esc & two motors ) can be put to rest since the plane flew well.

Hope it did not have any turning tendencies.

regds
Saurabh


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: manojswizera on December 11, 2016, 08:12:37 PM
Flies very well sir.
Seems a new ground !


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 11, 2016, 08:16:14 PM
Sir, This was a excellent trial with twin engine. If i remember this is your 2 nd model with twin motors.

The Takeoff was soft and quick.

So now to the question of motors spinning at different RPM ( in a one battery 2 esc & two motors ) can be put to rest since the plane flew well.

Hope it did not have any turning tendencies.

regds
Saurabh

Thanks Saurabh. No, no turning tendencies.
In fact, when I checked the Lipos after the flight, they both had discharged precisely equal amounts (I was using 2 X 3000 mAh 3S)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 11, 2016, 08:17:57 PM
Flies very well sir.
Seems a new ground !
Thank you Manoj

I have been flying Nitros and larger size electrics at this ground - the Bhondsi ground of AAG (Aeromodellers Association Gurgaon) for some years. The noise you heard in the background were 2 150 cc Gassers :D


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sundaram on December 12, 2016, 05:12:18 PM
Superb sir  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:. Graceful flier.


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: ramarao on December 12, 2016, 05:45:46 PM
superb twin motor build sir....:) {:)} {:)} {:)} {:)}


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 13, 2016, 06:35:16 AM
Superb sir  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:. Graceful flier.

Thank you Sandy sir


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 13, 2016, 06:35:49 AM
superb twin motor build sir....:) {:)} {:)} {:)} {:)}

Thanks so much RamaRao :D


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: wingmanbunty on December 14, 2016, 09:58:33 PM
nice very nice


Title: Re:
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 15, 2016, 05:38:38 AM
Thanks Bunty

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Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: taitil on December 15, 2016, 10:22:24 PM
Yes Sir...always successful model and nice flying
 :salute: :salute: :salute:


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 16, 2016, 05:21:21 AM
Thanks Taitilbhai


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 18, 2016, 08:26:07 PM
Update: added a little downthrust on both motors. Flies much easier now. Take-offs are just marvellous! Still flies at 30-40% throttle - pretty fast too ;)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 24, 2016, 06:30:17 PM
https://youtu.be/8jbUKRn4WgM


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: K K Iyer on December 24, 2016, 07:35:22 PM
Beautiful. Short and sweet.
Like the way she lifts off so quickly...


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on December 24, 2016, 07:39:29 PM
Beautiful. Short and sweet.
Like the way she lifts off so quickly...

Thanks Iyer sir :D

In fact, just hit a little bump on the ground and was up! :)


Title: Re: '2016 Sweepstakes' Electric Challenge Twin
Post by: sanjayrai55 on January 19, 2020, 05:43:01 AM
Images here:

https://postimg.cc/gallery/102bafqdo/