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It is being adapted to Corro instead of the original Balsa

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well going sir,
those are very powerful motors, i have one of them.
the build is going to be heavy ?
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Thanks Manoj

The design says 6 lbs 12 oz, or about 2 Kg

I'm targetting 2.1-2.2 Kg

That will give me a Wing Loading of 17 oz/sq ft, or a WCL (Wing Cube Loading) of 8.2; sport model

Suggested suitable values for WCL are:

Gliders   -   under 4
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Re:

Sorry, typo. As per design, weight is 3 Kg

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Sir,
Its coming out good. Fuse will be red / white ?

What is the propeller size you are planning on this.
And did you find a way to have RPMs same for both motors ?

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Thank you Saurabh

Fuse will be blue,as that is the only thicker corro I have Wink
I will be using 10 X 4.5 contra-rotating e-props

I have used two independent ESC's, powered by a single LiPo. I hope that will be reasonably accurate. The ESCs are the same brand/capacity etc.
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I have used two independent ESC's, powered by a single LiPo. I hope that will be reasonably accurate. The ESCs are the same brand/capacity etc.

That set me thinking...
Two similar ESCs, or one double capacity ESC to both motors?
Which would be better?
I don't have the theoretical knowledge to answer that.

I'm sure you'll try both and give us a real world answer...
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Yes Pranavbhai..Sanjay Sir is the Master of making coro plane.. I have learn some techniques from him Salute Salute Salute
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Two similar ESCs, or one double capacity ESC to both motors?
Which would be better?
A single ESC can be used to drive two motors. The only advantage of having two ESC's is that one can use the difference in thrust of the two engines to make turns.
(Using dual rates). Practically, one esc would be just fine.
 
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The advantage of having two ESC's is that one can use the difference in thrust of the two engines to make turns.
(Using dual rates)

Huh?  Head Scratching

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The advantage of having two ESC's is that one can use the difference in thrust of the two engines to make turns.
(Using dual rates)

Huh?  Head Scratching



Would need dual throttles. Or some complicated control system/mix
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Sir this going to be a huge plane...... More than 2feet stab!!!!

Looking forward for the final built.
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« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2016, 06:45:02 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2016, 09:20:30 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2016, 09:21:23 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2016, 10:38:55 AM »
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Dear Mr. Sanjay,

Its nicely built. Especially you added balsa to both nose and tail end makes more attractive.

How did you fix the motor mount to wings? Is it hot glue or epoxy? Is there any reinforcement done in motor mounts?
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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2016, 10:44:35 AM »
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Thank you for your kind comments

By mount I presume you men the motor mount plate? This is made from 10 mm ply, and fixed with SR 998 Adhesive and screws. Epoxy does not work too well on many plastics including Corro

If you mean the nacelle (the complete motor housing assembly,) this is fixed on the wing with hot glue and screws
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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2016, 11:00:17 AM »
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Ya I meant the whole motor housing assembly. Is fevicol synthetic adhesive is that much strong with coro & plywood? I will try it.

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Going great...  Clap  want to see it fly...
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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2016, 05:05:10 PM »
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.....and put some stand-offs on the motors too. Plus, the CG needed this
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« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2016, 06:11:44 PM »
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Awesome build sanjay sir.... You always makes me speechless and jealous by your builds....
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« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2016, 07:03:01 PM »
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Awesome build sanjay sir.... You always makes me speechless and jealous by your builds....

Thanks Dev. Just hope it flies Cheesy
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Sir, should you set Canopy for this nice build ?
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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2016, 07:59:07 PM »
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Thanks Taitil bhai. No, no canopy etc.Mood nahi hai   Wink
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Sir,
Thought of a humourous suggestion, even took photo.
Refrained from posting in case you might actually be in an upset mood.
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Nice and clean build sir.
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Just post it (growl)

Suggestion for improving mood and making canopy at the same time:

Drink one bottle. Then cut its neck. Then divide it once vertically and once horizontally.

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Nice and clean build sir.

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That set me thinking...
Two similar ESCs, or one double capacity ESC to both motors?
Which would be better?
I don't have the theoretical knowledge to answer that.
Using one ESC to power two bldc is not a good idea , as these are synchronous ESCs the ESC talks to the motor and I don't think that at any time instant , the angular position of the two motors will be same .. ... Hope I am not wrong

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What has the angular position of the motors got to do with it? This is not a multi-copter
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Comments: Flies very well indeed! Excellent slow fly characteristics, cruises at 30% throttle comfortably

It was taken off and trimmed by Group Captain Ramesh (retd.) flown by me, and landed by Nishad  Grin

Needed a fair amount of down-trim, and showed a little tendency to climb under power. These suggest to me some downthrust is required

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Sir, This was a excellent trial with twin engine. If i remember this is your 2 nd model with twin motors.

The Takeoff was soft and quick.

So now to the question of motors spinning at different RPM ( in a one battery 2 esc & two motors ) can be put to rest since the plane flew well.

Hope it did not have any turning tendencies.

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Flies very well sir.
Seems a new ground !
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Sir, This was a excellent trial with twin engine. If i remember this is your 2 nd model with twin motors.

The Takeoff was soft and quick.

So now to the question of motors spinning at different RPM ( in a one battery 2 esc & two motors ) can be put to rest since the plane flew well.

Hope it did not have any turning tendencies.

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Thanks Saurabh. No, no turning tendencies.
In fact, when I checked the Lipos after the flight, they both had discharged precisely equal amounts (I was using 2 X 3000 mAh 3S)
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Flies very well sir.
Seems a new ground !
Thank you Manoj

I have been flying Nitros and larger size electrics at this ground - the Bhondsi ground of AAG (Aeromodellers Association Gurgaon) for some years. The noise you heard in the background were 2 150 cc Gassers Cheesy
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Superb sir  Thumbs Up Thumbs Up. Graceful flier.
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superb twin motor build sir....Smiley Clap Clap Clap Clap
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« Reply #65 on: December 13, 2016, 06:35:16 AM »
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Superb sir  Thumbs Up Thumbs Up. Graceful flier.

Thank you Sandy sir
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« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2016, 06:35:49 AM »
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superb twin motor build sir....Smiley Clap Clap Clap Clap

Thanks so much RamaRao Cheesy
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« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2016, 09:58:33 PM »
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nice very nice
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« Reply #68 on: December 15, 2016, 05:38:38 AM »
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« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2016, 10:22:24 PM »
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« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2016, 05:21:21 AM »
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« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2016, 08:26:07 PM »
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Update: added a little downthrust on both motors. Flies much easier now. Take-offs are just marvellous! Still flies at 30-40% throttle - pretty fast too Wink
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Beautiful. Short and sweet.
Like the way she lifts off so quickly...
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Beautiful. Short and sweet.
Like the way she lifts off so quickly...

Thanks Iyer sir Cheesy

In fact, just hit a little bump on the ground and was up! Smiley
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