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Title: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 02, 2016, 09:45:57 PM
Building An Avispad to check the flight characteristics of apm....

Fuselge construction


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 02, 2016, 10:02:23 PM
Best of luck!
Unluckily mine has still not flown.
Crashed mine 5 times.


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 02, 2016, 10:04:04 PM
thank u prabal....could you pls tell what happened


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 02, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
In my case,
The avispad keeps banking to the left.
The ailerons were both flush during the 1st crash. It banked to the left.
2nd time, i gave right trim. Even then it turned to the left.
3rd time , i gave right rudder, i set the motor to 3deg. Right and even then it turned to  the left and cartwheeled.
I dont know what was/is wrong with the plane.
P.S - all surfaces were correct, properly set and trimmed.


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 02, 2016, 10:14:21 PM
actually the same thing happened in my case too... in my old avispad


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 02, 2016, 10:16:33 PM
Did you find any solution?
Or maybe the design is faulty.
Regards


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 02, 2016, 10:20:46 PM
What is the circled thingy?


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 02, 2016, 10:20:57 PM
the airfoil i made was not perfect.... i shifted my battery to right side....  moved the right alieron completely  up and the left completly down....

and the result

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxXSWqslt0U&feature=youtu.be

a nice flying plane.... do u use landing gear


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 02, 2016, 10:23:08 PM
What is the circled thingy?

actually i am using 72mhz antenna.... its the hosuing antenna for rx...its shown


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 02, 2016, 10:27:36 PM
Yes i use FOUR" landing gear.😆


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 02, 2016, 10:28:59 PM
sometimes the launch could be a prob... thats why i asked


Title: Re: Re: Avispad
Post by: docnayeem on January 02, 2016, 10:47:24 PM
In my case,
The avispad keeps banking to the left.
The ailerons were both flush during the 1st crash. It banked to the left.
2nd time, i gave right trim. Even then it turned to the left.
3rd time , i gave right rudder, i set the motor to 3deg. Right and even then it turned to  the left and cartwheeled.
I dont know what was/is wrong with the plane.
P.S - all surfaces were correct, properly set and trimmed.
Was the thrust line straight ?


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 03, 2016, 09:35:47 AM
what is a thrust line????
I, truly speaking, do not know.


Title: Re: Re: Avispad
Post by: docnayeem on January 03, 2016, 09:46:55 AM
what is a thrust line????
I, truly speaking, do not know.
It refers to the direction of motor in relation with the central axis of the aircraft. The motor should be tilted slightly to the right and downwards , this will counteract the left tendency. And this stands true for all pullers .
Regards


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 03, 2016, 09:57:46 AM
Sir,
The motor was already at 4 degree down thrust and set at 2 degree right thrust on the 2nd flight.
Even then it showed no improvement
REGARDS


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: sanjayrai55 on January 03, 2016, 11:21:14 AM
Prabal, is the same one I maidened? If so, at that time it just needed some downthrust. It would need to be checked thoroughly to see why it banks severely left. Maybe stab is offset.


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 03, 2016, 11:51:24 AM
sir,
i added more down thrust to it.
and now it will be maiden-ed again in jodhpur.
going today.
Will return on 10th.
Will be visiting Sharmas' and will meet with tanmay!


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: SI74 on January 03, 2016, 10:05:05 PM
Hi Prabal, I too had this issue before. Try this "Ensure the fin is centered with the stabilizer, and that the stabilizer is level with the wings. If the horizontal stabilizer is low or high on one side, the model will screw in loops" Good luck 👍


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: SI74 on January 03, 2016, 10:07:03 PM
To adjust thrust line, simple rubber bands helps many a time!


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 04, 2016, 01:01:23 PM
Allright will follow your advice.
thanks.


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 05, 2016, 09:10:11 AM
On progress


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 05, 2016, 11:14:08 AM
Horizontal stabilizer and vertical stabilizer attached


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 05, 2016, 04:51:42 PM
Completed fuselage construction


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 06, 2016, 10:35:11 AM
Excellent!


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 06, 2016, 02:03:16 PM
Thank u prabal


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 06, 2016, 05:26:39 PM
To adjust thrust line, simple rubber bands helps many a time!

Sir I am not aware of this... If u tell me how to do that it all be helpful


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: SI74 on January 06, 2016, 09:41:06 PM
It is only for a beginner, not for an expert like you  :giggle:


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 07, 2016, 08:45:08 AM
It is only for a beginner, not for an expert like you  :giggle:

Happy to hear that sir... But I am not an expert... Even if I am... Always wanted to learn things which I don't know



Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: SI74 on January 12, 2016, 10:41:59 PM
Ok , even though not for an " intermediate" like you  ;D it goes like this. Pierce two toothpicks in front of the motor mount. Attach one or two rubber bands tightly enough bw them and then HotGlue it in place . Once you fly the plane, you can readjust the thrust line by pulling any side of the fuselage with rubber bands :giggle: . One more advantage is that even if you crash @ nose :giggle: :banghead: , the motor mount will move inwards inside the fuselage ( so wont crack prop or motor) but still you can fly the plane without going home for another hot glue ;D ( useful especially when you are "displaying"  :thumbsup: :giggle: your success in front of invited guests( kids)😀😃


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 13, 2016, 09:13:15 AM
Did'nt quite understand.
" the thrust line by pulling any side of the fuselage with rubber bands "


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: SI74 on January 13, 2016, 03:49:20 PM
Do you still have an issue with thrust line? And how do the plane behave?


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 13, 2016, 04:32:58 PM
yes!   Grin
Still banking to the left!
Added right thrust but to no effect.


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: SI74 on January 13, 2016, 07:20:41 PM
 :headscratch: ??? Still? What I would do is 1. Redo gluing the motor straight( and at a little downward angle).
2. Keep the rudder slightly to right.
3. Make sure the wing and stab are parallel .
4.If it still banks to the left, I 'll keep two fingers under the motor shaft and centre of tail and see if it falls to left; if so, take out the wing, mark and draw a line at the centre of the wing. Keep a ruler in this line and see whether the wing is balanced at this point. Then mark the middle of the fuselage  and keep the wing aligned to this point.Now redo balancing. If this is perfect, it should fly! Even then if it keeps turning, check your transmitter for any controls by which you can adjust the position of rudder.  If still... I am clueless ; I'll call experts  ;) :hatsoff:


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: K K Iyer on January 13, 2016, 08:57:56 PM
@prabal276,
Had the same problem with my Sunbird!
Reason was a slight warp in the wing, too small to be detected by eyeballing.
But taping a CF rod to each wing along the chord revealed the difference in incidence.
On a 60" wing, even an imperceptible warp was enough to need 50% rudder to correct!
Try this check. It might solve your problem.
Regards.

Also remember to balance left and right!


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: SI74 on January 13, 2016, 09:05:14 PM
Okay I never had such an issue, a wing warp with depron or thermocol. Thank you Iyer sir👍


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 13, 2016, 10:26:59 PM
Iyer sir.... Your experience always rocks....  :salute: :salute:  :salute:


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 13, 2016, 10:29:20 PM
@prabal you are saying that its banking... But we don't know whether its banking or turning or yawing... So please post a video


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: SI74 on January 13, 2016, 10:38:46 PM
So Prabal, is it that your plane flies straight and when you try to turn left, it banks to left, is it?


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 14, 2016, 10:12:34 AM
Hey,
Thanks every one!
Re-glued the motor mount!
Wing and stab are parallel!
Ill check the balancing now.

Iyer sir,
Ill check the warp in the afternoon.


I dont have a video now! but will try in the evening.
 


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 14, 2016, 10:13:48 AM
This is similar to what happens to my plane: (just on a smaller scale!)(the plane crashes before getting inverted and the ailerons are correct!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ioGSNwdtho


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 14, 2016, 01:01:14 PM
@SI74,
My plane banks to the left as soon as i take it off!


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: SI74 on January 14, 2016, 03:48:50 PM
Hi Prabal, see whether your wing tips are pointing down. That may also cause such a roll


Title: Re: Avispad
Post by: prabal276 on January 14, 2016, 06:01:44 PM
Will check
thanks.