RC India
Welcome Guest, please login or register.
 
Pages: 1 [2]  All   Go Down
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Topic Tools Topic Tools 
Read
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2018, 11:52:14 AM »
raj_flyer
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
raj_flyer has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Gwalior
State: Madhya Pradesh
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 12
Join Date: Jun, 2018



I could reach to the balancing of CG of the plane, before that my ESCs was burnt.
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2018, 04:10:28 PM »
Mehul Anand
Plane Lover
Senior Member
***

Reputation Power: 4 
Mehul Anand has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Ranchi
State: Jharkhand
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 217
Join Date: Feb, 2018



I think the voltage might be wrong....
Are you using Li-Fe??
If not check the voltage from a shop...
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2018, 08:37:39 PM »
raj_flyer
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
raj_flyer has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Gwalior
State: Madhya Pradesh
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 12
Join Date: Jun, 2018



I am using LiPo 3S (11.7v) Battery.
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2018, 09:23:19 PM »
Mehul Anand
Plane Lover
Senior Member
***

Reputation Power: 4 
Mehul Anand has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Ranchi
State: Jharkhand
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 217
Join Date: Feb, 2018



11.7??
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2018, 07:50:06 AM »
ambattuhari
Plane Lover
Senior Member
***

Reputation Power: 2 
ambattuhari has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Kottayam
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 175
Join Date: Oct, 2017



What is the length of the battery to ESC wires ? Long wires can damage the ESC,  if no !ow ESR capacitors are added.
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2018, 08:22:46 AM »
rastsaurabh
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 19 
rastsaurabh has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Noida
State: Haryana
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 1558
Join Date: Mar, 2012



Long wires of which color ?  Any specific color which can damage esc.

Can u explain how long wires damage esc without using "if" in your explanation.
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2018, 10:26:45 AM »
ambattuhari
Plane Lover
Senior Member
***

Reputation Power: 2 
ambattuhari has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Kottayam
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 175
Join Date: Oct, 2017



Copied from another forum.......

The voltage is like water running through pipes on it's way to a faucet (the ESC), when the faucet is wide open you have water running through it at a normal pressure. If all the sudden you slam the faucet closed, the water that is already in the pipes moving has nowhere to go and is carrying momentum, builds up pressure, and sometimes causes the pipes to bang momentarily, and then pressure normalizes. The ESC works much in the same way, when you slam the throttle closed, the voltage in the wires that has already left the battery has nowhere to go since it will not be used. It builds up "pressure" against the ESC in the form of voltage spikes, sometimes very high. The ESC has capacitors on it that absorb those spikes, but if you add additional length, the voltage spikes can exceed what those capacitors are able to handle, and over time may fail, allowing the higher than rated voltage to enter the ESC and potentially do damage. To combat this, you need to add, 1 additional capacitor for each 4"-6" of battery wire you add.
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2018, 10:35:38 AM »
ambattuhari
Plane Lover
Senior Member
***

Reputation Power: 2 
ambattuhari has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Kottayam
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 175
Join Date: Oct, 2017



https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?952523-too-long-battery-wires-will-kill-ESC-over-time-precautions-solutions-workarounds

This post explains it more......
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2018, 10:52:39 AM »
rastsaurabh
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 19 
rastsaurabh has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Noida
State: Haryana
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 1558
Join Date: Mar, 2012



This might be a layman's explanation of  voltage spike but whoever has read electronics / electrical will consider it absurd explanation.

Length of wire is nowhere related to spoiling ESC. ( when you cut the voltage the switch is in ESC not at the battery )

However what can matter for a efficient transfer of energy ....
1. Wire thickness
2. length of wire ( I am talking of efficient system, ESC will not blow due to length. Here I mean the resistance of wire )
3. you can have battery to ESC wires as long ( correct thickness - wire Gauge) but keep the motor to ESC shortest possible.
4. good solder joints. ( I don't recommend putting connectors)

regds
Saurabh
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2018, 11:08:54 AM »
ambattuhari
Plane Lover
Senior Member
***

Reputation Power: 2 
ambattuhari has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Kottayam
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 175
Join Date: Oct, 2017



Too long battery wires will kill your ESC over time!
Voltage spikes higher than battery voltage will destroy components and/or the standard input capacitors (large cylindrical thingies in thin colourfull shrink wrap) will be destroyed over time because they get warmer/hot. Using thicker wire will not help, it's a wire inductance problem, not a resistance problem. See Lenz's law. Inductance is what makes sparkplugs spark, 15-25kilovolt.

This goes for all makes, they all use the same principle (except SLS controllers, they use sinusoidal commutation instead of trapezoid and tested 150m extension without extra capacitors). However, lengthening the motor wires may lead to radio interference. Give the three of them a twist to prevent this.(copied).
 Original post -- https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?952523-too-long-battery-wires-will-kill-ESC-over-time-precautions-solutions-workarounds
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2018, 12:33:38 PM »
rastsaurabh
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 19 
rastsaurabh has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Noida
State: Haryana
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 1558
Join Date: Mar, 2012



Nice Link, thanks for sharing.

I learnt something today. I doubt how many of aeromodellers take care of it.

May be most of us use low current applications and decent wire length which are handled with the stock capacitor in ESC.

One post from the same thread below explains.



Capture.jpg
Re: My ESC always burst, Please Help :(
* Capture.jpg (68.48 KB, 800x477 - viewed 416 times.)
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2018, 08:21:46 PM »
Mehul Anand
Plane Lover
Senior Member
***

Reputation Power: 4 
Mehul Anand has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Ranchi
State: Jharkhand
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 217
Join Date: Feb, 2018



So if too long wires damage it what is too long actually...
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2018, 08:29:00 PM »
taksh
Plane Lover
Forum Hero
*****

Reputation Power: 10 
taksh has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: GHAZIABAD
State: Uttar Pradesh
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 661
Join Date: Nov, 2017



Few days ago, pop sound comes from my diy quad. Today, one motor is not running properly and esc are much hotter and motor also much hotter than other motor then i replaced the esc with new one and motor is working. This means my esc is brust?
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2018, 08:37:13 PM »
rastsaurabh
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 19 
rastsaurabh has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Noida
State: Haryana
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 1558
Join Date: Mar, 2012



Normally 4 inch battery wire and 4 inch esc wire so total 8-10 inch wire length is compensated by the stock cap on esc. If you are going longer than this you should consider extra cap basis thumb rule in rc group thread.
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2018, 10:25:36 AM »
ambattuhari
Plane Lover
Senior Member
***

Reputation Power: 2 
ambattuhari has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Kottayam
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 175
Join Date: Oct, 2017



This might help someone using newer ESC with braking.
https://discuss.ardupilot.org/t/dshot-reliability-and-wraith32-v2-esc-fire/29619/3
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2018, 11:02:52 PM »
stadsocare
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
stadsocare has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Mumbai 55
State: Maharashtra
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 74
Join Date: Jan, 2013



Perfect, as most points given, perhaps it could even be ESC faulty as it heats up
Logged
 

Pages: 1 [2]  All   Go Up
Jump to:  

Related Topics
Subject Started by Replies Views Last post
what is burst rate current in lipo?
Batteries and Chargers
dinil 2 7912 Last post July 07, 2010, 07:43:34 PM
by medicineman1987
can we use higher burst rated C-discharge batteries
Batteries and Chargers
RumblePirate 1 2853 Last post April 20, 2014, 08:25:17 AM
by Swapnil
Need 3S 30c Burst 40C 4000 - 5000 Mah
Wanted
Sreedhar 1 1439 Last post September 15, 2014, 03:41:41 PM
by rajaram
Sudden burst of power from motor on slight deflection from the throttle
Chatter Zone
piyushbadghare 0 662 Last post January 22, 2020, 01:15:52 PM
by piyushbadghare