RC India

im thinking of getting into micro airplanes which will fly very very slow .wing span not less than 15"and not more than 20"  and planning to build fully of foam 3mm not carbon wing and fuse  .i can build my airframe of my plane 16"(without any electronics)  to say around 35-45grms with foam liter than that is kind of difficult  :headscratch: :headscratch:..please help in selecting electronics for me tx,rx,prop,motor,esc,servo.batt,auw.

Hi Roman

Which TX do you already have? The difficulty with micros is getting components which are light enough for the models wing loading.
If you are looking for a new TX, rx setup. I suggest the Flysky 9x with the FRsky module. Micro receivers are available for FRsky but for the basic 9x TX the receivers are too heavy for micro models. The lightest flysky 9x receiver is a 3ch meant for cars which can also be used on planes. But you are limited to rudder & elevator only or an elevon setup. The 3ch receiver weighs 9 grams with case and 6 grams without.

For a 20 inch model you will also need 2.5gm servos, a 10 gram motor, a 2s 180mah battery, 6Amp esc. Have a look at the J-Bug on rcgroups. it will make for an excellent small space slow flier.

I am planning a mini pusher setup based on the Tuffy plans off rcgroups.

Cheers
Bopanna

Search for "Plantraco" on this forum.

Which TX do you already have?

If you have a compatible tx you can use these
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__469__190__Radios_Receivers-2_4ghz_SuperMicro.html

Or can go for a independent Plantraco system
http://www.microflight.com/Online-Catalog/Radio-Systems

ok heres the problem i have the futaba T6EX  FASST 2.4ghz with rx R6106HF 7grms ,dont want to remove the box of the rx have used this on 24ws slow flyers did well. im sure 15-20ws wont happen.not sure if futab has micro rx like plantraco,i dont know much about micro still doing my research but i would prefer brushless motor and slow flying

All Micro systems are brushless capable. where each gram counts there it does make a difference.

Futaba micro receiver R6004FF
3.8 Gms

without casing and pins removed it is even lesser.
(http://www.zerorc.com/files/imagecache/full/images/FutabaR6004FF.jpg)
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?I=LXWHX6&P=8

but compared to Plantraco Micro9-S-4CH 1.1g Servo Rx w/ESC
1.1gms which is 2gms less than above
(http://www.microflight.com/core/media/media.nl?id=38&c=638206&h=e958af76b287a5a1b546&resizeid=-2&resizeh=270&resizew=270)

or HK 2.4Ghz SuperMicro Systems - Receiver, Brushless ESC and 2 x Linear Servos All-in-one (5ch)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18823__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_Receiver_Brushless_ESC_and_2_x_Linear_Servos_All_in_one_5ch_.html

which is with ESC and two liner servo all in one at 2.9gms is no comparison on the advantage.

(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/18823.jpg)

thanking you sir, im planning on making my own designed 20ws slow flyer only of foam 3mm with detachable wings once i make the total airframe i will weigh it and then take a go on electronics from there as per the weight of the the total airframe would that be better sir what do you think ?????? what do you recend should be the airframe for a 20incher UC wing

sir will my tx be compatable with all the rx you mentioned or just the futaba ar6004ff???????

Futaba is compatible with only R6004FF

To make it compatible with Plantraco you need to modify with plantraco modules

For Plantraco you need this to make it compatible http://www.microflight.com/Online-Catalog/Radio-Systems/Monolith-Buddy-Box-Transmitter

Read this thread http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/modifying-rc-transmitter-into-a-dual-band-900-mhz-micro-rc-transmitter/

For HK Micro system you need this and connecting cable for connecting through trainer port required.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18820__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_HK_MFX600_F_H_Module_Futaba_Hitec_Compatible_.html
(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/18820.jpg)

ok got you sir, what you think should be the airframe weight for a  4mm 20incher foamie with UC, slow flyer airplane......another question i had was what about the orange tx is this compatable with the rx u mentioned http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__28494__OrangeRx_T_SIX_2_4GHz_DSM2_6CH_Programmable_Transmitter_w_10_Model_Memory_Mode_2_.html 

Interested in going the DIY route?

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=876767

A couple of years ago, I had tried to make a micro flyer myself. For the receiver I used a GWS 4 ch micro rx with modifications and brought the weight down to 1.8g. You need to remove the servo pins and the cover to reduce weight. This was a good setup for a plane with an AUW of ~40g. Another idea is to use IR control. If interested I can post some details.

Thanks!

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/cPath/3040/products_id/243538/n/ParkZone-Mini-Vapor-RTF-Electric-Airplane

Ready to go out of the box

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/mini-vapor-rtf-PKZU1200

http://secure.hobbyzone.com/PKZU1200.html

I have two of them I will be using next week to teach 7 to 10 year old kids how to fly. 

@  romanxdsouza Orange Tx is not compatible with the rx I had mentioned.

ok thanks ,understood will build plane and them decide on electronics as per the weight

since i have the futaba T6EX  TX wanted some  suggestions from the experienced folks...... i need to know please, if i buy the Futaba R6004FF http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?I=LXWHX6&P=8 (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?I=LXWHX6&P=8) 

1)what would be the best prop,motor,esc,servos and battery to build a good slow flyer foamie 15-20ws very slowflying,i could get a 16ws foamie(without any electronics) built  to say around 35-45grms .

2) which sites would ship to india

Hi Romanxdsouza , I'm also thinking of making one . Actually I was about to buy a kit from Sundaram sir also . But I left it as I didn't have enough guts to modify my futaba t8fg super  remote to connect with the supermicro module .
Please keep me in the loop about this build of yours .
I can purchase these electronics from international stores also.
All the best for your build .

Hi Roman,


35-34 grams is a lot of weight, that's more like a micro parkflyer size, one should aim for 15-20 grams AUW for 15 to 20 inch wingspan models, the lighter the better.

I'm also interested in micro stuff a lot, i have airtronics SD10G will be modifying it to hobby-king 2.4Ghz super-micro once i get my parts. Motors, lipos, charger, BL motors, BL escs, props are available locally.

First one needs to decide on Transmitter and Receiver setup! then its easy to get other parts.

Bye

Sahil

Have you tried using Futaba compatible receivers? i have come across few LHS selling them. How good is your soldering skills  ??? do you like Do it yourself stuff or more into buy stuff assemble n Fly ?

sahil

But they are very heavy , every  micro futaba user's problem

well how about this Rx

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__frsky_tfr6m_2_4ghz_6ch_micro_receiver_fasst_compatible.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__frsky_tfr6m_2_4ghz_6ch_micro_receiver_fasst_compatible.html)

there are ways to reduce weight from Rx mods to system change it depends.

Thanks sir , I didn't know about that receiver

That's a very good receiver if you are aiming micro with Futaba Tx. I have four of those receivers.

After removing the paper covering Its just around 2 gram. You can use 1.7 gms linear servos.

Yes sir , I have already added one in my cart .

Sir I just remembered that I already have a micro system laying around . The receiver weighs only 3.9 grams !

The remote is the nine eagles J6

And a 12 amp brushless esc too !

there are few options from hobby-king but its best to post here what you are buying so that other members with similar setup can help.

I feel the most important thing for micro model building/assembling is a good Weighing machine or Scale, a economical Chinese scale of sub 500 grams with +- 10mg accuracy is a must buy, i have a 300gram +-10mg scale got it for 550/- but one can get them for lower cost near Rs 280-320/- range (300 or 200 gram models). When you buy the scale make sure they calibrate it with standard weights to full scale value and it should pass, handle it with care never drop it !

Sahil

Found some 2-3 gram servos too !

Ok so now , all I need is a brushless motor
A propeller
Some servos ( the above ones are too heavy )

+1 To Sahil.

sahil possible some pics of the weighing scale and online links to buy

pictures of the scale i have

some more

 thanks shail ,me too will decide on what rx for micro models for my futaba tx,then willl decide on the rest,shail please pm me on the Motors, lipos, charger, BL motors, BL escs, props which are available locally.

i will post all the links i book marked for myself tomorrow,

bye

Sahil

some LHS links for micro rc stuff

there is also rcbazzar.

http://www.thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_41&products_id=995 (http://www.thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_41&products_id=995)
http://www.thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_11&products_id=602 (http://www.thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_11&products_id=602)
http://www.thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_11&products_id=1035 (http://www.thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_11&products_id=1035)
http://www.thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_57 (http://www.thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_57)
http://www.thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_70&products_id=129 (http://www.thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_70&products_id=129)
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/716-coreless-dc-motor-high-speed-x-4/ (http://www.quadkopters.com/product/716-coreless-dc-motor-high-speed-x-4/)
http://www.muav.in/?wpsc-product=linear-servo-1-7gms (http://www.muav.in/?wpsc-product=linear-servo-1-7gms)
http://hobbysea.com/products.php?385&cPath=50&sid=2badd8dd1611eefb9b226d20e032a17a (http://hobbysea.com/products.php?385&cPath=50&sid=2badd8dd1611eefb9b226d20e032a17a)
http://aeroworks.co.in/store/index.php?id_product=77&controller=product (http://aeroworks.co.in/store/index.php?id_product=77&controller=product)

hi roman,

I hope you are still looking to get into micro rc. I got my micro stuff few days back, here are some stuff i got from local electronics market (you can also give it a try in your city).

1. 3.7v 50mah Lipo used in Bluetooth head set (new), these weight about 1.27 -1.35 grams. Rs 38/- x 3no's Rs 40/- x 2no's.
2. micro connectors for usb charger,Rx etc 1.27mm pitch. Rs 20/- each.
3. some low-cost earphones for magnet and coil (31-33 ohms) Rs 35/- each.

Will do extensive testing on battery and earphone coils and post results.

some more pictures.
Note: that USB charger is a fixed 500mah single cell lipo charger, be careful when connecting lipos (check capacity)!

Useful micro-rc links.

1. http://home.comcast.net/~gordon-johnson/batteries.htm (http://home.comcast.net/~gordon-johnson/batteries.htm)
2. http://www.homefly.com/reference.htm (http://www.homefly.com/reference.htm)
3. http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/ (http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/)
4. I think below link best tells one what is needed/combo n stuff.
   http://www.indoorflyer.co.uk/ (http://www.indoorflyer.co.uk/)

Bye
Sahil

Thanks Sahil great info.

can anyone help on how do I make actuators so that I can use them instead of a rudder servo as I am planning to make a micro plane using the parts from a cheap toy heli (inspired by sundaram sir Arun.sreelakam sir and Kalyan sir ) so that I can fly in my building without going to the field.

Below link shows the simplest of all. I will try this and post details here

http://www.instructables.com/id/Wind-your-own-coils-quickly/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Wind-your-own-coils-quickly/)


same here.

I'm happy it was useful. B/w hacked the earphone and got two working coils/magnets but these are drawing quite a bit 110mah@4.1vots/36 ohms  :( plus very hard to handle, requires a 60watt iron to solder/tin easily.

 

Hi Sundaram

How much experience do you have with super micro 2.4Ghz 3ch rx, what size coils work(ohms, min. ohms)?.

Sahil

I have not used the super micro at all it was with me brand new.  By the standards of plantraco usage  with an assumption that will not deviate much for super micro too. I would say it's 75 ohms or least 50 ohms coil for actuator. You cannot use the coils of headphone as they are less ohms and too delicate to handle.

I wind my coils on a plastic juice straw. Once required length of enamel insulated wire is wound I spot it liberally with CA. once CA solidifies. I just collapse the plastic straw and draw it out.

Thanks sundaram sir and sahil sir.
@sundaram sir how do i use the coil to make control suurface

Making the actuator coil is nothing but connecting it on a rx and to the control surface and placement of magnet is a delicate work which you have to able to do. Intersting read on them and Video on that

http://www.rcindia.org/servos-gyros-and-all-electronics/making-actuators/ (http://www.rcindia.org/servos-gyros-and-all-electronics/making-actuators/)
http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/diy-micro-flyer-attempt-number-2(400mm-40mhz)/25/ (http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/diy-micro-flyer-attempt-number-2(400mm-40mhz)/25/)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNdzsQO7J14 (http://) (http://) (http://)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPp9Li_fJCc (http://) (http://)

Second video gives you complete mechanics of how to connect with control surface.

Sir thanks for both the videos.
where can I find micro lipo's like the one used in this build.
how did he connect the actuator to the radio.

and finally where can I find such plans for micro planes.

Update: while I was searching for micro stuff I found something on amazon http://www.amazon.in/s/ref=bl_sr_toys?ie=UTF8&field-brandtextbin=Common+Sense+RC&node=1350380031 (http://www.amazon.in/s/ref=bl_sr_toys?ie=UTF8&field-brandtextbin=Common+Sense+RC&node=1350380031)

Nitesh. I would suggest do some reading yourself too. At least do read all the replies before posting questions after questions. Do some Google search too. Answer to all your question is already in this forum many times over. Even what i have done is just copy paste from this very forum and I am sure if you had searched you would have come across them easily. You will have to get hold of manuals of the specific receiver  you want to use by download and do some reading.

Please don't mind my harsh words since you will learn nothing by spoon feeding. You will learn only by doing it yourself after detailed study.

Of course you are most welcome to ask specific doubt on what you are working at hand. We will be more than happy to learn from what you are doing.

OK sir.

I read a lot about all this, I understood how to connect that actuator to the rx.

Sir just one doubt can I get small lipo's in my local electronic store.

OK sir.

I read a lot about all this, I understood how to connect that actuator to the rx.

Sir just one doubt can I get small lipo's and motors and props in my local electronic store.
The radio and rx I am planning to use is of those cheap toy helis.

For the very same query has  already been answered by Sahil earlier. You can find small lipos in mobile repair shops. Which are used inside bluetooth headsets.

Refer reply #34 earlier

Made an trip to my local electronics shop for all the motors and battery they don't have anything.

You are from Chennai Nitesh.... mind you it is chennai where I used to go to find the electronic component not available any where in india.

If you say you did not find it then you did not try enough. Please move out of your spot and try.

Will go to ritchie street when i get time.
I am not able to remove the magnet from the earphone.

Great. This is easy.

OK what phones you have have the magnet and iron cores riveted. To remove this what you do is remove the circuit piece behind the phone with knife. Now you will get access to the beveled end which has been struck bevel to lock. Just grind it with a flat file after covering front of phone with cellophane tape to prevent iron dust into magnet.

Since rivet is alluminium you will be able to grind flat to the iron plate in seconds. Then just knock the rivet out with a pin. the magnet will now come free with a small pry with pointed tip if not already.

Sir this is not a phone it is a headphone.

Have look at this link.

it was created by me almost a year back.

http://www.rcindia.org/self-designed-diy-and-college-projects/magnetic-actuator-(home-made-scratch-build)/msg169971/#msg169971 (http://www.rcindia.org/self-designed-diy-and-college-projects/magnetic-actuator-(home-made-scratch-build)/msg169971/#msg169971)

@ Nitesh  :o :o You thought I don't know the difference  :giggle:  :giggle: :giggle:

Hats off to you Nitesh.  8-)

I am sure I know all types Nitesh, headphones, earphones, megaphone, gramophone,  telephone, mobile phone, microphone,  and many more and all of them have one device common to all of them which is a "phone" . Which is a device which produces, senses  and Transmits speech/ sound and one such you are holding in your hand.

Sorry sundaram sir
Thanks johnny sir BTW can you please give me the link of your latest field.

Our latest field is now occupied by the cricketers  :banghead: :banghead:

Sundaram Uncle (can I call you Uncle) i have finished grinding the damn beveled edge of the rivet but still the damn magnet is not coming out   :headscratch:.

Absolutely no way you are calling me your uncle buddy. I am in no way your uncle whatever your age might be.  :giggle:

Do you throw your bat in this easily with everything in your life.

Please read what I have posted again. After grinding the beveled edge at the back of earphone flat till the iron plate you need to knock out the rivet from behind the earphone piece with a pointed tip of lesser diameter than the rivet.

I have ten sets of such magnets with me recovered from all the old headphones of mobile phones of all make and brand. So what I am telling you is not a fairy tale but purely out of personal experience and not from any Google.   

OK sir I tried knocking it with a safety pin but still no use will try posting a video.
Update: removed the magnets using extra force.

That's Good buddy congrads. Good job that you have been able to remove it.
I hope the magnet has not shattered in the process. If the nickle coating has come of then the magnet will keep disintegrating over time (asking this because you mentioned that you had to use quite a bit of force to remove the magnet).
Now remove the iron disk with a hole for rivet stuck on the magnet also. You can use this magnet for actuator.

What was the dia and thickness of the magnet and if possible please post photos while let me also post whats available with me.

Photos of my magnet.

Dia and thickness in mm?

Can I assume you have a pair of each of the three types since you have taken from headphones?

No not a pair I just removed one of the headphone and experimented.
dimensions of the first one is 6mmx1mm
      ""         "" ""   second "" is 6mmx1.5mm
    ""       ""   ""      third "" is 6mmx1mm   

Slightly bigger but surely usable.

Mine posted a sample 3x1mm and 5x1mm.

finally some magnets  >:D

Sir what are those first 2 magnets they don't look like headphone magnets.

do you mean the non-ring type ? i also have then (took mine from cheap earphones)

Non ring type magnet is also from headphones. Dell streak headphone.  ;)

http:// m.ebay.in/itm?itemId=261596762937 (http://m.ebay.in/itm?itemId=261596762937)

This is for Nitesh.  Of course I am sure Sahil would have got it much cheaper

please check my post for pricing, about 35-40/- per unit 50mah single cell.

hi sailkit,im here reading and learning as im not to much into electronics never done courses or any thing in electronics so every thing  seems to be bouncers to me. dont even no proper soldering reading and learning is helping , i dont plan or using actuators either linear servos or servos will be ok for me.how about this rx http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__14352__FrSky_V8R4_II_2_4Ghz_4CH_Receiver.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__14352__FrSky_V8R4_II_2_4Ghz_4CH_Receiver.html)

I have seen the hobbyking link (i doubt its compatible with futaba).

Try below link, it clearly mentions 6EX FASST

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__27176__FrSky_TFR4_SB_3_16ch_2_4Ghz_S_BUS_Receiver_FASST_Compatible.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__27176__FrSky_TFR4_SB_3_16ch_2_4Ghz_S_BUS_Receiver_FASST_Compatible.html)

still need time to decide on rx.......more reading to be done. sahilkit im not actually looking at micro like this one i built http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/f1d-type-electronic-indoor-slowflyer-'the-balsa-snail'/msg161060/#msg161060 (http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/f1d-type-electronic-indoor-slowflyer-'the-balsa-snail'/msg161060/#msg161060)

 im looking for some thing more foamie and small so you can call it micro park flyer you can say something like the champ http://www.horizonhobby.com/ready-to-fly/champ-rtf-hbz4900 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/ready-to-fly/champ-rtf-hbz4900)

 i forgot to mention i have this tx 2.4GHz Transmitter DSM2 also http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProductDisplay?product_identifier_token=product&urlRequestType=Base&catalogId=10051&categoryId=&productId=589573&urlLangId=-1&langId=-1&top_category=&parent_category_rn=&storeId=10151 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProductDisplay?product_identifier_token=product&urlRequestType=Base&catalogId=10051&categoryId=&productId=589573&urlLangId=-1&langId=-1&top_category=&parent_category_rn=&storeId=10151)

but not keen on using it so looking for a rx for my futaba t6ex
 

nice stuff roman  :thumbsup:

thanks sahil,
 i have decided to make my plane and then make a decision on electronics as per the weight of the airframe cause its difficult for me to judge weight right now ,so will be planning an airplane then go for electro,so next i will be deciding on building material depron,balsa,.....let seee will keep you posted,do let me know if any one selling http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__frsky_tfr6m_2_4ghz_6ch_micro_receiver_fasst_compatible.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__frsky_tfr6m_2_4ghz_6ch_micro_receiver_fasst_compatible.html)

TO ALL new to micro rc and especially wanting to use coil actuators.

Notes:

1. Standard micro receivers will not accept coil actuators directly one needs a driver in between like an rc micro actuator driver.

Some useful links

http://www.indooraviation.com/impressive.html (http://www.indooraviation.com/impressive.html)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=5972ddfb96e031789af2e5b231a2af96&t=1897330&page=2 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=5972ddfb96e031789af2e5b231a2af96&t=1897330&page=2)
http://www.sebulli.com/actuator/ (http://www.sebulli.com/actuator/)

thanks sahil.. anyone knows which LHS is selling 0.8mm carbon fibre rods

here is a link (servo to actuator driver board)

http://www.micronwings.com/Products/Servo%20to%20Actuator%20Converter%20Board/index.shtml (http://www.micronwings.com/Products/Servo%20to%20Actuator%20Converter%20Board/index.shtml)
http://www.micronwings.com/Products/Servo%20to%20Actuator%20Converter%20Board%20Super-Light/index.shtml (http://www.micronwings.com/Products/Servo%20to%20Actuator%20Converter%20Board%20Super-Light/index.shtml)
http://www.micronwings.com/Products/SectionActuators/ (http://www.micronwings.com/Products/SectionActuators/)

thank you sahil that really helped

i have made a drawing below as to how i think the connections for the actuator drives work, if im not correct please make the changes when every time permits yoy to ,i think it would help someone else in future too, escecially those who dont know much about micro and electronic stuff like me  :banghead: :banghead:

roman what you have shown is correct.

Sahil

ok understood the basic  connections part now {:)} {:)} thanks sahil, next from  were do i get the drives  :banghead: :banghead:  like you mentioned 2 drives ,one for each actuator which mean 2chn on the rx .anyone knows from were we can buy these drives in india or some reasonable sources abroad . if yes suggestion welcome  ;)

Some info on JST connectors used in micro rc gear

try this link

http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=I2555449 (http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=I2555449)

here you go roman, this seems best place for micro gear.

http://www.bidproduct.com/more/cartlist.php?keyword=Mini_Small+&btnSearch=Search (http://www.bidproduct.com/more/cartlist.php?keyword=Mini_Small+&btnSearch=Search)

Do they ship to india,cant find drive,is it also called Electromagnetic servo driver Parameters like in the link below http://www.bidproduct.com/more/cartview.php?id=8271 (http://www.bidproduct.com/more/cartview.php?id=8271) 

these drives are driving me mad  :headscratch: :headscratch: :banghead: :banghead:,  :help: :help: research still going on sahil digging for information,should have done a course in electronics would have made things easy  :banghead: now its too late :banghead:

sundaram sir,
or
sahilkit

need your guidance...with this RX you used...have some questions for you also please help :help:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__frsky_tfr6m_2_4ghz_6ch_micro_receiver_fasst_compatible.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__frsky_tfr6m_2_4ghz_6ch_micro_receiver_fasst_compatible.html)


what micro set up (prop,motor,esc....) did you use for this rx ??????
is it 1s compatible?????
is this the plug which connects to chn3/throt/  and the loose ends to the esc  :headscratch:  http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9766__JR_Servo_Lead_Male_30CM_10pcs_set_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9766__JR_Servo_Lead_Male_30CM_10pcs_set_.html)

so basicly if using a esc like in the pic below ,then we need to cut the  1mm JST plug wire (in the pic)of the receiver connection in the center  and join a futaba wire like this to esc .... http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9766__JR_Servo_Lead_Male_30CM_10pcs_set_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9766__JR_Servo_Lead_Male_30CM_10pcs_set_.html)
 or can we remove the 1mm JST plug wire from the esc and  solder this wire direct to the esc,is  this correct ???

sundaram sir, i guess you busy....but this is  just a reminder about information on actuator drives.waiting patiently...thank you sir :bow: :bow:

I'm not sure myself as the spec state 3.5~10V operating voltage.


what you said is one option or just buy these (compatible with ESC in picture you attached)

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__43727__50mm_Female_JST_SH_1_0mm_to_Male_JR_5pcs_bag_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__43727__50mm_Female_JST_SH_1_0mm_to_Male_JR_5pcs_bag_.html)

List of 1S compatible BL motors (under 3.5grams weight)

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9996__ADH30S_Micro_brushless_outrunner_6100kv.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9996__ADH30S_Micro_brushless_outrunner_6100kv.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16664__HKP8_C10_Micro_Power_System_with_Gearbox_plus_Prop_8700kv.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16664__HKP8_C10_Micro_Power_System_with_Gearbox_plus_Prop_8700kv.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9666__HobbyKing_AP_02_7000kv_Brushless_Micro_Motor_2_3g_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9666__HobbyKing_AP_02_7000kv_Brushless_Micro_Motor_2_3g_.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10003__Micro_Power_system_w_Gearbox_GPS_C03.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10003__Micro_Power_system_w_Gearbox_GPS_C03.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25675__Turnigy_A1309_7500KV_Indoor_Brushless_Motor.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25675__Turnigy_A1309_7500KV_Indoor_Brushless_Motor.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9997__ADH30S_Micro_brushless_outrunner_7500kv.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9997__ADH30S_Micro_brushless_outrunner_7500kv.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__7230__hexTronik_2_gram_Brushless_Outrunner_7700kv.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__7230__hexTronik_2_gram_Brushless_Outrunner_7700kv.html)

Suitable 1S BL ESC (under 5amps)

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9667__HobbyKing_XP_3A_1S_0_7g_Brushless_Speed_Controller_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9667__HobbyKing_XP_3A_1S_0_7g_Brushless_Speed_Controller_.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__44315__SuperMicro_Systems_Brushless_ESC_3_0A.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__44315__SuperMicro_Systems_Brushless_ESC_3_0A.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10573__5A_1S_Brushless_Controller.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10573__5A_1S_Brushless_Controller.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__7184__TGY_DP_3A_1S_1g_Brushless_Speed_Controller.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__7184__TGY_DP_3A_1S_1g_Brushless_Speed_Controller.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10334__Turnigy_5A_1S_Brushless_ESC.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10334__Turnigy_5A_1S_Brushless_ESC.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__44697__SuperMicro_Systems_Brushless_ESC_3A_Mi_3A.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__44697__SuperMicro_Systems_Brushless_ESC_3A_Mi_3A.html)

1. HobbyKing_XP_3A_1S_0_7g_Brushless_Speed_Controller = Cutoff Threshold 2.8V, 3.0V, 3.1V, default is 2.8V.
2. SuperMicro_Systems_Brushless_ESC_3_0A = Operating Voltage: 3.3-4.2v
3. 5A_1S_Brushless_Controller = Cutoff unknown
4. TGY_DP_3A_1S_1g_Brushless_Speed_Controller = Cutoff - Disable, 2.9V, 3.0V, 3.1V, 3.2V, 3.3V
5. Turnigy_5A_1S_Brushless_ESC = Low Voltage Cutoff: 3.0v
6. SuperMicro_Systems_Brushless_ESC_3A_Mi_3A = Operating Voltage: 3.3-5.0v

Those receivers are best used with 2S with an ESC with BEC. Though it will function with 1S, will have brown out issue near empty 1S lipo.

Each receiver comes with its own set of five micro connector plugs and pins with which you can crimp you own servo connectors.

Before I post complete detail with photos, circuits and DIY on how to let me just say that you can use a simple old gear damaged servo circuit with little mod to function as actuator drives easily. It will not be very proportional like the actual one but it just functions ok.

you can even use them as motor drivers with little mod. Better still as reversible motor drives.

I was actually thinking of doing that (close the loop with hall-effect sensor).  :)

Just replace the potentiometer with same value 50:50 resistance bridge with 1/8 ceramic resistance which will simulate pot in center position. Now you can drive an actuator through motor connection. Even drive a motor in reversible mode.  Similarly if you shunt center tap to one side and replace with same value single resistance  on outer pins Then it will function as unidirectional motor drive. It's not very proportional like a ESC but I would say it at least has three steps of increment. 

thanks for the info sundaram sir and sahilkit
so its better to use this rx http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__frsky_tfr6m_2_4ghz_6ch_micro_receiver_fasst_compatible.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__frsky_tfr6m_2_4ghz_6ch_micro_receiver_fasst_compatible.html) with a 2s  which means weight issue. any futaba FASST  compatible rx for t6ex which uses 1s?

i searched all over hobbyking but not a single 1S futaba FASST compatible Rx. Other member can be of help.

i think it was a mistake i made when i got in the hobby i went for futaba instead of spektrum  any one selling  the orange TX http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__54822__OrangeRx_T_SIX_2_4GHz_DSM2_Compatible_6CH_Transmitter_w_10_Model_Memory_and_3_Pos_Switch_Mode_2_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__54822__OrangeRx_T_SIX_2_4GHz_DSM2_Compatible_6CH_Transmitter_w_10_Model_Memory_and_3_Pos_Switch_Mode_2_.html) do let me know

If you are looking at micro under 20 gms then definitely yes you did. You should have gone in for DSM2.

Sir what about dsm2 which rx should be good for under 20grm 1s only with hobby king

I will be ordering the orange TX module which is turnigy/JR compatible with DSM2/DSMX protocol, along with the new hobbyking supermicro DSM2 compatible Rx with 2 onboard servos. The second DSM2 compatible Rx under super micro is little expensive and it has a 3axis stabilisation.

For me I am stuck with HK SuperMicro JR module with the old Rx which is no longer listed in HK and still haven't gotten it working😊. Sahil sir helped me with the issue and finally boiled down to wrong channel ordering on the Rx. So, for me to be able to re-order channel assignment on my flysky radio I will have to flash my TX with er9x or similar firmware.

PS: Issue was, the throttle was either getting assigned to rudder stick or the aileron stick. So basically the Rx channel follows the JR(TAER) channel assignment and the turnigy/flysky follows futaba (AETR)

@ Romanxdsouza

With Hobbyking

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18827__OrangeRx_R415_DSM2_Compatible_4Ch_Micro_2_4Ghz_Receiver.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18827__OrangeRx_R415_DSM2_Compatible_4Ch_Micro_2_4Ghz_Receiver.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56166__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushless_ESC_Linear_Servos.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56166__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushless_ESC_Linear_Servos.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56167__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushed_ESC_Linear_Servos.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56167__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushed_ESC_Linear_Servos.html)

Looking at the voltage range of all the above claimed 1S capable receivers. I would say no harm in trying this one too in 1S setup.
https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__FrSky_TFR6M_2_4Ghz_6CH_Micro_Receiver_FASST_Compatible.html (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__FrSky_TFR6M_2_4Ghz_6CH_Micro_Receiver_FASST_Compatible.html)

sir i heard that these 2 rx have brown out issues,with 1s  so why take a chance .not sure what that is brown out exactly  https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__FrSky_TFR6M_2_4Ghz_6CH_Micro_Receiver_FASST_Compatible.html (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22691__FrSky_TFR6M_2_4Ghz_6CH_Micro_Receiver_FASST_Compatible.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18827__OrangeRx_R415_DSM2_Compatible_4Ch_Micro_2_4Ghz_Receiver.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18827__OrangeRx_R415_DSM2_Compatible_4Ch_Micro_2_4Ghz_Receiver.html)

and these 2 rx the elevator and rudder is on the left stick
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56166__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushless_ESC_Linear_Servos.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56166__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushless_ESC_Linear_Servos.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56167__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushed_ESC_Linear_Servos.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56167__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushed_ESC_Linear_Servos.html)

I had pointed out brown out of Fasst micro receivers to you. It is de-linking of Receivers mid flight before ESC cut out.

Reading the discussion at the HK Yes it seems all the receivers pointed are not 1S capable. Wonder why HK makes such wrong claim of being 1S capable.

I believe these are DSM receivers 1S capable

http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/index.php?categoryID=62 (http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/index.php?categoryID=62)

That problem pointed out by intorc was with Turnigy should not be with DSM2.

Is it not possible to build a model under 20grams AUW (2S setup) ?

Air frame 7 grams
1.7 grams servos X 2
3.5 grams ESC
5.0 grams motor/prop
3.5 grams RX  
Total = 22.4 grams + 2S battery + misc.
 
Post what you guys think is an ideal setup for 20grams AUW model with 2S battery.

Sahil

Anyone have used the below?

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11784__TURNIGY_Voltage_Booster_for_Servo_Rx_1S_to_5v_1A_.html (http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11784__TURNIGY_Voltage_Booster_for_Servo_Rx_1S_to_5v_1A_.html)

Wonder what's the signal meant for?

it must be down converting Receiver signal voltage from 5 volts to Esc 1S voltage or 3.3 Volts, will micro servos work at 5V?

Sahil

Please see the Video (may be he got lucky)

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/HK_movies2.asp?idmovie=05efee2dbe554fa58d0ab1096d07112e (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/HK_movies2.asp?idmovie=05efee2dbe554fa58d0ab1096d07112e)

So all the concerns raised in the discussions are not actually personal accounts but only concerns based on statistics.

how are these rx http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56166__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushless_ESC_Linear_Servos.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56166__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushless_ESC_Linear_Servos.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56167__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushed_ESC_Linear_Servos.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__56167__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_DSM2_Compatible_Receiver_w_Brushed_ESC_Linear_Servos.html) glued to the fuse ,what glue is used to mount it on too foam so it doesn harm the rx,what is the best glue in india to glue these rx/esc/servo boards to foam

off topic but check this out

http://thecornercase.blogspot.in/2014/03/micro-servos.html (http://thecornercase.blogspot.in/2014/03/micro-servos.html)

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1166672 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1166672)

are you sure glue is used to fix the parts :headscratch:

may be small patch of light double sided tape

try this one

http://www.ebay.in/itm/Mobile-Phone-Tablet-Touch-Screen-LCD-Double-Sided-Tape-Adhesive-Sticky-Very-Thin-/271613195183?pt=IN_Car_Accessories_Parts&hash=item3f3d6873af (http://www.ebay.in/itm/Mobile-Phone-Tablet-Touch-Screen-LCD-Double-Sided-Tape-Adhesive-Sticky-Very-Thin-/271613195183?pt=IN_Car_Accessories_Parts&hash=item3f3d6873af)

what about fevicol SH

if it works sure.

Thanks for the link akhilzid

Sahil

thanks sahil and akhilzid tried fevicol SH on an old broken not working heli rx glued it to foam at two sides only .works well glued nice and strong  .but if used on a working rx board will fevicol be ok.will it not harm or spoil the rx later, sahil........????

http://www.ebay.in/itm/3mm-x-1-5mm-Rare-earth-NdfeB-neodymium-strong-magnets-N48-50pcs-/141449060785?pt=IN_Toys_Games_School_Stuff&hash=item20ef0561b1 (http://www.ebay.in/itm/3mm-x-1-5mm-Rare-earth-NdfeB-neodymium-strong-magnets-N48-50pcs-/141449060785?pt=IN_Toys_Games_School_Stuff&hash=item20ef0561b1)

http://www.ebay.in/itm/3mm-x-1-5mm-Neodymium-Magnet-N52-80-pcs-/111493389116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item19f5861b3c (http://www.ebay.in/itm/3mm-x-1-5mm-Neodymium-Magnet-N52-80-pcs-/111493389116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item19f5861b3c)

http://www.ebay.in/itm/Magnets-100pcs-Neodymium-Strong-D3mm-X-1mm-Cylinder-Rare-Earth-NdfeB-/281346117144?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item4181890e18 (http://www.ebay.in/itm/Magnets-100pcs-Neodymium-Strong-D3mm-X-1mm-Cylinder-Rare-Earth-NdfeB-/281346117144?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item4181890e18)

This one sold out got the last lot.
http://www.ebay.in/itm/Magnets-300pcs-Neodymium-3mmx1-5mm-disc-/261630264308? (http://www.ebay.in/itm/Magnets-300pcs-Neodymium-3mmx1-5mm-disc-/261630264308?)

sundaram did you ever order from then/ebay?. What was your experience.

Yes I am an old customer of ebay. Ordered one 300 lot magnets. Recd them nicely. I even got a 30mah single cell Lipo through ebay but worked out to be pretty expensive.

as sundaram sir said ebay.in is always a little bit higher price but doesnt matter paisapay will protect your money(but always check sellers reputation). and i am a regular customer of ebay.

wait till next week you should have yours'  ;) B/w do you any similar source for square/rectangle magnets? ebay seams to have larger stuff. I was thinking why not make a disc runner BL motor (air core stator and those N52 disc magnets rotor).

Sahil

Hi Roman,

Are you still looking for Receivers PM me (will help). I have recently ordered a HK supermicro Brick BL servo 5Ch (will let you know how it works out).

I was planning to order orangeRX DSM2/DSMX RF module with 4ch receivers but found these.

http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/search.do?act=search&sus=&searchkey=spektrum&catalog=#Homesearch201403 (http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/search.do?act=search&sus=&searchkey=spektrum&catalog=#Homesearch201403)

Guys has anyone ordered the Spektrum Receiver stuff from www.DHgate.com (http://) (http://)

useful info

http://aeroshop.free.fr/doc%20PDF/6mm%20Pager%20Motors.pdf (http://aeroshop.free.fr/doc%20PDF/6mm%20Pager%20Motors.pdf)

Actuator pictures

http://www.angelfire.com/ab7/planes/acts/actindex.htm (http://www.angelfire.com/ab7/planes/acts/actindex.htm)
http://www.angelfire.com/ab7/planes/act2/act2index.htm (http://www.angelfire.com/ab7/planes/act2/act2index.htm)

PDF taken from rcgroups (epilot)

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350123 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350123)

micro bldc motor info.

http://members.shaw.ca/climber/ff/ff_motor_constants.html (http://members.shaw.ca/climber/ff/ff_motor_constants.html)

one more useful link

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1376225 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1376225)

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2009496&highlight=7+motor+prop+test (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2009496&highlight=7+motor+prop+test)

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1207845 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1207845)

Sahil why you dont make a video on how to build actuator drives and how to connect them to the rx and actuators would love to learn and would hlep a lot of us too

i was actually planning to do that, been busy with work but will try to start earliest.

Take your time, please try to use stuff we can find easily in the local market,all the best you will need a good camera to zoom in too those tiny parts :thumbsup: :thumbsup: and im sure this video will be a hit world wide if all goes good, go for it "how to  build your own acuator drive  to connect your rx and actuators"

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11452637&postcount=21 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11452637&postcount=21)

how to make micro Y connector www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMJLGWRdyUY (http://) (http://) (http://)

http://mnewell.rchomepage.com/Techniques/techniques.html (http://mnewell.rchomepage.com/Techniques/techniques.html)

Ok so i ordered the jst wires called120mm Molex 1.25 Servo Extensions and Ar6300 Mini JST Plug and Servo Lead from edallhobby for ar6410 and dam  :banghead: :banghead: it doesnt fit the ar6410, also had ordered linear servo from vibranthobby and again the jst did not fit
here are some pics just so that we dont make this mistake like i did, if someone knows what type of jst plug this is which fits the ar6410 and were available in india would begreat. I do not blame edallhobby or vibrant hobby.

in the pics red,black,yellow fits the ar6410 need to know what it is called :headscratch: :headscratch: this jst stuff really confuses me :banghead:

I think this is the servo i  braught from hobbysea and which fits perfectly to my ar6410,specs just say jst.i mailed vineet hopefuly he can give some specs or let me know if this  is the same kind of linear servo i purchased from him  www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__42302__2_4Ghz_SuperMicro_Systems_Single_Linear_Servo.html (http://)

Im guessing it is the ar6400 jst -sh adaptor lead which fits my ar6410... no sure thou .
www.horizonhobby.co.uk/aeroonline/e6spektrum/e6-integrated/e6-integrated/e6-spmar6410.html (http://)

if it is just a tight fit, have you tried a dremel or hobby knife to whittlle away a bit of plastic?

i had that in mind sir let me try sir

The 2 connectors are total different sir the female pins sizes are totally different here is a close up and the two wires extensions from edallyhobby have the same female jst.

if you know how to find three hollow needles (syringe), you could cut them and make tiny bullet connectors (make sure insulate) and plug into the board.  I would not try soldering directly into the board.

Or, try ebay for this item:  that way you won't have to make anything, just plug in.
http://secure.hobbyzone.com/spektrum/spektrum_servos/SPMAS2000LBB.html (http://secure.hobbyzone.com/spektrum/spektrum_servos/SPMAS2000LBB.html)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Latest-Spektrum-1-9-Gram-Linear-Long-Throw-BB-Servo-Ar6400-series-SPMAS2000LBB-/171070275911?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d4954147#ht_2588wt_1362 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Latest-Spektrum-1-9-Gram-Linear-Long-Throw-BB-Servo-Ar6400-series-SPMAS2000LBB-/171070275911?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d4954147#ht_2588wt_1362)

you need this.

I would love to try this sir but need to watch a video how its done first

on second thought, it's painstaking work and unless you have much soldering experience and the right tools, it may not be worth the effort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8RIXdZEEY4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8RIXdZEEY4)

got it, just for my knowledge sir any videos on the three hollow needles (syringe)thingy,what you mean by insulate the connectors....sorry i i dont have much knowledge  in this but would love to know,to know more i like asking up frount . Hope you dont mind.

there are many videos on youtube on how to make bullet connector usually 3.5mm size.  now imagine doing the same with connectors  1 mm size or less. and they don't make micro bullet connectors which is why you have to make it yourself.  again, it's much easier to buy the spektrum servo.

Ok sir got you

found a nice set up just wanted to add it here  in this thread will be easy to find later if need be ,it would also help someone :thumbsup: watch from 1:15 onwards   www.youtube.com/watch?t=219&v=3Hc6SkZIOhk

http://darkith.dyndns.org/~darkith/html/iz9.shtml

Hello All,

I am also stuck like Roman as he was 2 years back. Futaba TX and want to make / fly Micro Indoor plane.

I am interested in something like TY black flyer.

After going through this thread i could not find a cheaper solution so did some search.
Need your comments on my findings.

I am planning to use V911 Heli parts. TX & Rx. As I understand ( I dont own Wltoys V911) if i do not use Tail motor ( which is the autonomous part) I can use the 2 RX servos and Main rotor motor to have a 3 Ch system.

Am i correct in my understanding.

Below are the Pics and links.

Motor - http://www.banggood.com/Hisky-Buzz-HFW400-RC-Airplane-Spare-Parts-Motor-With-Propeller-Set-p-981449.html

RX - http://www.banggood.com/WLtoys-V911-Helicopter-PCB-Board-Spare-Parts-p-77849.html

Tx - http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-WLtoys-V911-V912-V913-V949-RC-Helicopter-Transmitter--p-42822.html

Regds
Saurabh

Some more links.

TX a better one -  http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-WLtoys-V912-4CH-Single-Blade-RC-Helicopter-Spare-Parts-Transmitter-p-62435.html

Another Motor with Prop -  http://www.banggood.com/WLtoys-F929-F939-RC-Airplane-Spare-Part-Motor-Base-with-Propeller-022-p-947009.html

related motor for above - http://www.banggood.com/WLtoys-F929-F939-13-Motor-with-Gear-Spare-Part-p-930767.html

Hi saurabh, well i havent used or done this kind of set up i cant realy say much im sure some  genius on here who has tried this could help, and i could copy one day.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: the best is to buy a rtf airplane (if its possible a good dsm2 model i do understand its not easy to buy thou but its my first option) use it to the core and then use the electronics but were do to we buy  etc etc etc :giggle: :giggle:.. this is less stress also and you dont loose anything once u have flown the airplanr  enough use the guts :giggle: :giggle: no loss

my suggestion is .....if you are looking to build fly Micro Indoor plange your main focus is weight......and only weight...auw. wait for suggestion on this set up .

This is my style of building......Take the night vapor for example auw 17grms. Now what i do is i find out 2things in this night vapor,1st airframe weight and the specs (measurements) and 2nd the weight ofall the remaining stuff thats electronics ...prop,gearbox motor...etc.

Electronics-i try getting the same set up as the night vapor electronics which is the worst part  :banghead: :banghead:
so now before buying anything i do my research like you ,find out the best set up to get the same weight as the  night vapor electronics this is important especially thrust,once i figured it out i buy the  electronics ready for the frame now

Airframe- now .once the electronics weight tally with the night vapor electronics weight and i feel i will get good thrust i start building the airframe depends on you balsa carbon..etc.......this is the difficult part and depends how you play with weight....build the airframe lighter than the night vapor if poss target weight 17grams.........my problems were mostly motor thrust.....which leads to under power, then if underpower we have change motor then weight goes up.....complications start so.....carefull with motor and prop you select u need good thrust because  while building ....were the weight comes from even i cant figure out till today. :giggle: :giggle:

So in short focus on the total electronic weight and motor thrust copying another model in mind eg like above the night vapor.
 and then make your airframe as per the weight of your electronics to get it to the same  target weight of the model you are copying
....accordinly u will get an idea how light your airframe will be....if your motor has enought thrust u can also increase the wing cord for a slower filight.... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: all the best in your electronic hunt.....remember keep a model in mind stick to the same electronic weight little more thrust on the motor is always better .....hope this helps

Lessons i learnt-  pocket weighing scale is a must,cg, motor thust very impt,reduce weight were ever poss,first flight no no no wind at all, careful with landing fly near grass if motor shafts weak try making landing gear if poss,never buy stuff with out doing a good re searchthere may be more cant remember now :giggle:

Thanks Roman.... lets see where i land.

No problem.... you could just get all your electronics working check the weight the  motor thrust and start buliding as per the the weight u will do fine as long as u keep the weight 5grms atleast under the trust .build but light as possible.do let me know the total  electronic weight and thrust of motor would like to know. :thumbsup:

Some progress on airframe
2 wing halfs and rudder.....

Oh ok you plan in making the airframe first then going in for electronics.......all the best.....i still suggest the other way around ......you can....start a new thread ...would be nice to watch the progress...all the best.

V911 can be used what i intent to do..... lot of people done this earlier....

related thread.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1636399

Oh ok cool....that some good info.......go ahead all the best... :thumbsup:

I suggest to buy this pnf version at 30$

Only 18g, lovely bird



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Have you tried to call it a lovely bird.....??

No good reviews for this.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24157821&postcount=24

Thanks for saving my hard earned money

Hello All,

Progress so far waiting for stuff from Banggood.

Airframe weight 8Grms ( without filming the wings).... the weighing machine is not that accurate can be 2 grms here & there.

I am expecting somewhere 25 to 30 Grms .... not sure if will get this much thrust.



regds
Saurabh

 :hatsoff: :hatsoff: very neat

nice to have a build log here should complete the thread  :thumbsup:

Sahil

Any updates on the build and flight waiting to see

a lot of searching let me found this dsm2 micro receiver for actuators:
http://www.banggood.com/Origin-RC-Mi-RX32M-Micro-2_4G-4Channel-Universal-DSM2-Receiver-p-1013377.html
its only $28 that is a lot cheaper than deltangs receivers
you can find brushed motor easily
and for diy actuators :
http://www.rcindia.org/self-designed-diy-and-college-projects/magnetic-actuator-(home-made-scratch-build)/
there are other thousands of videos on diy actuator and how to connect them

ound another good thread about diy actuators:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143929

this might be good for those want to learn about basic of micro planes,need plans and other things (just ignore vendors though):
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84771

@rastsaurabh
good job
found a similar looking plane on bangood
http://www.banggood.com/TY-Model-Black-Flyer-V1-2_4G-6CH-Carbon-Fiber-Film-RC-Airplane-DSM2-BNF-p-992599.html

Hello Ahmad,

I copied the same TY Model Black Flyer.

But unfortunately it is still at unfinished stage. I made another one very simple design out of Foam, which flew well and enjoying flying it so not in hurry to complete this Black flyer.... moreover trying to get some electronics for this model.

Roman have a look i thought you would see .... you are less RC active these days !!!!.
http://www.rcindia.org/beginners-zone/i-want-to-make-small-rc-plane-so-pls-help-me/msg249947/#msg249947

http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/successfully-flown-micro-airplane-thread-only/msg249035/#msg249035

regds
Saurabh

Hey saurabh sorry not in indiA....seen ur build great job

hell0 all,
today i have lost my WL V911 heli.now i m planning to buy WL V912 BNF version.
Can anyone tell whether i can bind WL V912 with V911 transmitter or not?