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Title: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 20, 2018, 07:33:46 PM
Here it is ! I have started building my first rc plane the ft old fogey. I have already build the body and the wing . My target wieght is under 600 gms. I am using emax Cf 2812 1200 kv motor with a 9*5 prop and a 1500 mAh 3s lipo. Had some trouble finding plywood so building the firewall out of plastic and would be using bicycle spokes as the push rods. I am using the flysky ct6b does anyone know it's range ?


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 20, 2018, 07:39:59 PM
Here are some pics...would be updating as project progresses.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 20, 2018, 08:40:28 PM
Is 2mm plastic fine to make the firewall ?


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: K K Iyer on April 20, 2018, 08:49:39 PM
Here it is ! I have started building my first rc plane the ft old fogey. I have already build the body and the wing . My target wieght is under 600 gms. I am using emax Cf 2812 1200 kv motor with a 9*5 prop and a 1500 mAh 3s lipo. Had some trouble finding plywood so building the firewall out of plastic and would be using bicycle spokes as the push rods. I am using the flysky ct6b does anyone know it's range ?

Motor 2822 or 2812?

Bicycle spokes as pushrods? Not jhadu teelies with wire from gem clips for the ends? Much lighter...

Range?
Look at you model from 200 meters away.
In flight would you be able to see which way it was going? Much less control it?
Doubt if you’ll ever be more than 100 meters out. The radio’s range is far more than the pilot’s...

Construction looks nice. Keep us updated!


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: K K Iyer on April 20, 2018, 08:58:22 PM
Is 2mm plastic fine to make the firewall ?

When in doubt, check out alternatives.
Like titanium, steel, aluminium, hardwood, ply, balsa, depron, thermocol.
All you have to do is a pull test.
If you can pull the motor out, you need a stronger firewall!



Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 20, 2018, 10:27:22 PM
The Fogey looks fine!
You could use kitchen cutting board plastic. That's quite strong.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 20, 2018, 10:28:54 PM
Sir the motor is 2812


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 20, 2018, 10:29:53 PM
But I don't have that. Do we have to.secure motor screws with nuts ?


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 20, 2018, 10:31:24 PM
But still will 2mm plastic from boxes be fine ?


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 20, 2018, 10:33:43 PM
Which kind of boxes are being talked about?
I secure my smaller motors to plywood using self tapping screws.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 20, 2018, 10:41:25 PM
The normal plastic boxes used to store items .


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: K K Iyer on April 21, 2018, 03:10:49 AM
In your other thread about firewall material, you said
Will 5mm depron do the job or would have to make it out of wood ?
I am using the emax cf2822 motor with a 9 *5 prop.”


In this thread you say cf2812, 1200kv with 9*5 prop.

The cf2812 is 1534kv, not 1200kv and needs a 7*4 prop, not 9*5.

Pl verify which motor you have, and use appropriate prop.
Specifications attached.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 21, 2018, 03:23:39 PM
Sir the motor is Cf 2812 and I will be using a 8*6 prop. Built the firewall and attached the motor.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 21, 2018, 03:32:18 PM
Could not upload pictures as whenever I try to post a pic an error pops up.Though the size of the image is 10 kb.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 21, 2018, 03:40:22 PM
Please use a image sharing website like post image.org and share the link here.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 21, 2018, 07:07:30 PM
Here are the images:https://postimg.cc/gallery/scb9y530/


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 21, 2018, 07:58:29 PM
excellent!
Are you using MDF?


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: K K Iyer on April 21, 2018, 08:01:14 PM
@knvshrm,
So you finally found some material for the firewall. Hardboard!
Strengthen the holes with a spot of superglue (after removing the screws)

1. Check if prop saver is on backwards
2. Push the prop assembly close to the motor body, not at the tip of the shaft


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 21, 2018, 10:28:37 PM
Ok sir will do the following changes.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 21, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
Sir the elevator is a bit tilted toward the right is that fine or I need to fix it ? Here's the image https://postimg.cc/image/a1v24kysb/


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 21, 2018, 10:41:21 PM
@prabal276
I don't have know what this is called but I got it from the carpenter.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 21, 2018, 10:42:34 PM
The elevator looks fine.
I don't think it will cause major problems.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 21, 2018, 10:45:40 PM
Ok


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 22, 2018, 11:35:13 AM
First servo and pushrod attached.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 22, 2018, 11:38:55 AM
Pics:https://postimg.cc/image/zbicisea5/


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 22, 2018, 12:26:28 PM
I thought you were using flexible pushrods.
You are using straight pushrods.
This will work better:


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 22, 2018, 03:02:42 PM
Wouldn't the plane be tail heat if I place the servos at the back ?


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 22, 2018, 03:04:13 PM
*heavy


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 22, 2018, 03:08:06 PM
And can you plz share a pic of your rudder.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 23, 2018, 07:12:01 AM
That plane is long gone! Can't share any more pictures.
Refer to my thread to see if any of those pictures help you.
http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/ft-old-fogey-build-thread-for-rci-6-th-sweepstakes/


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 23, 2018, 02:09:41 PM
Did you place the rudder servo just like the elevator one ? And if i place the servos at the back wouldn't the plane be tail heavy ?


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 23, 2018, 02:48:57 PM
No!
You'll just have to move the battery a little forwards. Since you have a 1500 which is much heavier, you should be fine. Infact, the servos at the tail will help you balance.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 23, 2018, 08:11:25 PM
Are these throws enough at full stick movements ? Pics:https://postimg.cc/gallery/liot8gss/


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 23, 2018, 08:43:11 PM
They should be as recommended by Flitetest.
Share picture of your pushrods, servo placement and control horns please.
Regards


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 23, 2018, 08:47:14 PM
Ok


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 23, 2018, 08:48:22 PM
Here's the pic https://postimg.cc/image/49bfptw6z/


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 23, 2018, 08:48:59 PM
The recommended throws are half an inch. One side is a bit more than half inch.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 23, 2018, 08:59:44 PM
Is the servo placement fine ?


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 24, 2018, 01:52:11 PM
why this eerie silence ? awaiting suggestions.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: K K Iyer on April 24, 2018, 02:14:18 PM
Looks quite ok. Go ahead.
Dont forget the screw for the servo arm!


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 24, 2018, 02:15:02 PM
Ok sir.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: AL HAM SHARI on April 24, 2018, 03:50:51 PM
You can either trim your servos to correct your problem or re adjust the servo arm.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 24, 2018, 03:55:46 PM
How do I attach the lipo to the plane ? I just have lipo straps but they are too big.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 24, 2018, 03:59:04 PM
Put hook Velcro beneath the power pod (full length)
And the loop Velcro on the battery. You can move the battery to attain CG then.
Your throws should be according to FT. If they are, then fine.
Are you getting equal deflections both side with that servo placement? If yes, then they are okay. I hope the control horns are installed correctly..... With the pushrod over the joint.
Regards


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 24, 2018, 04:01:04 PM
I am not getting equal deflections . One side has throws a bit less than the other .How to correct that ?


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 24, 2018, 04:05:03 PM
Show me the side view along with the control horn.
In my opinion, the force vector is not straight. So one direction won't be getting full throw.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 24, 2018, 04:07:00 PM
Ok


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 24, 2018, 04:08:08 PM
Here's the pic https://postimg.cc/image/l319u5ocb/


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 24, 2018, 04:09:29 PM
https://postimg.cc/image/6ju4sssnf/


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 24, 2018, 04:12:16 PM
Pics of Maximum throws at both sides https://postimg.cc/gallery/s1hhmtgc/


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: prabal276 on April 24, 2018, 04:15:51 PM
The rudder looks okay. Continue with the build.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: AL HAM SHARI on April 24, 2018, 07:52:46 PM
Your control rod seems bendy, its a problem in the long term.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 24, 2018, 08:15:38 PM
Your control rod seems bendy, its a problem in the long term.
what material do I use to make the push rods ? That one is made out of phool jhadu ki tilli.and also how do I make a light landing gear ?


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: K K Iyer on April 24, 2018, 08:45:14 PM
Your control rod seems bendy, its a problem in the long term.
@al ham shari
Bendy? What does that mean? Flexible? Or bent?

Doesn’t seem to be flexible...
Prabal has posted pics of similar pushrods on his similar model.
I’m biased, being the inventor of jhadoo teeli pushrods  ;D

@knvshrm
“How do I make a light landing gear?”
DONT MAKE ONE AT ALL.
Hand launch and land on belly...

Just go ahead man. By now you should have test flown it.
No amount of checking the depth of the pool, temp of the water etc will enable you to swim, without getting into the water.
So trust your knowledge and instincts and plunge in.
And please be neat and accurate in your work, not sloppy or messy



Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 24, 2018, 10:06:56 PM
Sir actually the second servo I got was faulty so the new one will arrive by Friday.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 26, 2018, 01:50:19 PM
The elevator servo and pushrod has been set up just need
to set up.the CG now and charge the lipo.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 28, 2018, 10:15:29 AM
The fogey is ready will be going for a test flight tomorrow.


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: kamalsahai on April 28, 2018, 01:33:31 PM
waiting for video of  maiden flight and ur success also

kp


Title: Re: My FT old fogey build log.
Post by: knvshrm on April 29, 2018, 08:26:46 AM
Here's the maiden flight guys , https://youtu.be/1gTOZBEjHp0
This could only be possible with the help of Kk iyer sir and prabal.
Regards