RC India
Welcome Guest, please login or register.
 
Pages: [1]   Go Down
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Topic Tools Topic Tools 
Read
« on: December 30, 2009, 10:24:33 AM »
Shrikant
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 2 
Shrikant has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: New Bombay
State: Maharashtra
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 96
Join Date: Nov, 2009




Hi all,

I just managed to complete the build of Mr MOSS bought recently. However, when I connected the components as:

1. Battery to ESC via JST connector extension.
2. ESC to motor (I am still confused about the sequence of connection, because ESC has leads marked motor 1, motor 2, motor 3 - all black, while the motor has 3 leads, red, black and yellow in that order.) I connected Motor 1 to RED, Motor 2 to BLack and Motor 3 to Yellow.
3. ESC to receiver (via an extension cable)
4. Both servos to receiver.

I hope the above connections are correct.  Head Scratching

When I connect the battery to the ESC, there is no life in the setup. There is no response to the any commands given by the TX.. It is completely lifeless... I am not sure why and how?  Help Me Help Me Help Me

I checked the battery, it is fully charged. Tried all the above 3 / 4 times over... Bang Head

I am totally clueless as to what could be the problem. The connections are so simple and straight. Can anyone please throw some light??
« Last Edit: December 30, 2009, 11:16:45 AM by anwar » Logged
 

Read
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2009, 10:56:12 AM »
vicky
Plane Lover
Active Member

**

Reputation Power: 1 
vicky has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Karjat
State: Maharashtra
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 39
Join Date: Aug, 2009



Hi Shrikant, I am also beginner in RC but I think you should check the direction of cable connecting ESC to RX ie signal and power. Once your system gets power you can change the direction of rotation of motor by changing any two connections (Motor 1 to RED, Motor 2 to BLack and Motor 3 to Yellow)
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 11:28:22 AM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



Can you post more details (like model numbers) of the setup (especially the ESC and receiver).  Include things like what transmitter you are using also.  The connection itself is OK, at least you should get some response.  You need to be mindful about the connection from ESC to receiver not being reversed and so on. Typically the ESC should make some beeping noises when the battery is connected.

Please post some pictures also.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2009, 11:55:10 AM by anwar » Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 12:02:14 PM »
rcforall
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 22 
rcforall barely matters.rcforall barely matters.
Offline Offline

City: Chennai
State: Tamil Nadu
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 1663
Join Date: Mar, 2009



Check the Polarity of your all you connections of the ESC to the receiver , battery to ESC  Servos to receiver etc .
This is the most likely cause . normally  the negative black has to be to the right of the center pin on the receiver and Signal ( white ) has to be to the left of the center pin.

I know you should know this but just in case

Sai
Logged

www.zuppa.io : vehicle telematics, ADAS, IoT , Drones
 

Read
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 01:15:45 PM »
PankajC
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 13 
PankajC has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Delhi
State: Delhi
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 1022
Join Date: Jul, 2009

Learning to Fly



In addition to what Sai said....

Does the ESC do the self test on battery connection? I guess, there should be a beep when ESC is armed. You can possibly disconnect the motor connection (keep them insulated anyway). If there is a BEC with the ESC then for testing purposes, it should be connected to the power connector of the receiver and not the throttle....

Pankaj
Logged

Spektrum DX6i | EP Pusher Trainer | EP CUB |
 

Read
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 01:55:35 PM »
rcforall
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 22 
rcforall barely matters.rcforall barely matters.
Offline Offline

City: Chennai
State: Tamil Nadu
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 1663
Join Date: Mar, 2009



Since you say the power system is dead I assume there is no beep.

I wish to add in most receivers  just 1 connection with Wrong Polarity is enough to kill the receiver hence  after that  even if you connect it  any number of times  the receiver will be dead .

Sai
Logged

www.zuppa.io : vehicle telematics, ADAS, IoT , Drones
 

Read
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 02:09:25 PM »
sandeepm
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 14 
sandeepm has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Mumbai
State: Maharashtra
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 1008
Join Date: Mar, 2009



bring your moss setup this coming saturday along with the piper. will test everything
Logged

Fly high if you have good set of batteries.....!
 

Read
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009, 02:23:57 PM »
Shrikant
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 2 
Shrikant has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: New Bombay
State: Maharashtra
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 96
Join Date: Nov, 2009



Sure.. I was to call you on Friday for that... By the way, I have taken the receiver from the Cessna and put it on Mr Moss now... Coming a full circle since my first post on this forum. I have in mind to make some "jugaad" on both the models, such that I can interchange the receiver anytime and fly any one of them...
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 02:54:54 PM »
PankajC
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 13 
PankajC has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Delhi
State: Delhi
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 1022
Join Date: Jul, 2009

Learning to Fly



Since you say the power system is dead I assume there is no beep.

I wish to add in most receivers  just 1 connection with Wrong Polarity is enough to kill the receiver hence  after that  even if you connect it  any number of times  the receiver will be dead .

Sai
I guess, I was lucky. When I was first trying to fit the BEC into the receiver, I did not know how to connect the bec to the receiver, so I did try out connecting one way and another and it did not blow my RX.

Pankaj
Logged

Spektrum DX6i | EP Pusher Trainer | EP CUB |
 

Read
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 03:06:16 PM »
Shrikant
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 2 
Shrikant has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: New Bombay
State: Maharashtra
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 96
Join Date: Nov, 2009



Since you say the power system is dead I assume there is no beep.

I wish to add in most receivers  just 1 connection with Wrong Polarity is enough to kill the receiver hence  after that  even if you connect it  any number of times  the receiver will be dead .

Sai

 Huh? Yeah.. there is no beep at all... there was never a beep.. I hope the receiver is not really "dead"... In that case it shall be the first casualty up my learning curve...

By the way, if the polarity is so critical, isn't there a standard system in receivers, like a notch or a groove (like in connectors) or something that can prevent such mishaps?
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2009, 03:10:04 PM »
PankajC
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 13 
PankajC has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Delhi
State: Delhi
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 1022
Join Date: Jul, 2009

Learning to Fly



Well Srikant, since there never was a beep, then I guess the first thing for you to do before you team up with Sandeep is to get hold of a multimeter and figure out if the BEC is actually providing the voltage in the first place.

Pankaj
Logged

Spektrum DX6i | EP Pusher Trainer | EP CUB |
 

Read
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2009, 03:21:44 PM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



By the way, if the polarity is so critical, isn't there a standard system in receivers, like a notch or a groove (like in connectors) or something that can prevent such mishaps?

It is there for Futaba receivers and servos (not sure if is there for every Futaba model).  Lots of times we have to cut (or file out) the extra notch to get the same servo connection to be inserted into other receivers.

See the attached image (taken from http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103686).  The bottom most servo connector has a "projected notch".

Also, I am not sure if reversal frequently causes the receiver to die. What I have seen in our field is that people make that mistake every once in a while, but they have escaped unscathed.

servo_plug.jpg
Re: Help... Dead Power set up on Mr Moss
* servo_plug.jpg (43.47 KB, 500x536 - viewed 577 times.)
« Last Edit: December 30, 2009, 03:34:33 PM by anwar » Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2009, 04:53:34 PM »
Nehutech
Plane Lover
Forum Veteran

****

Reputation Power: 6 
Nehutech has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: BHARUCH
State: Gujarat
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 408
Join Date: Aug, 2009



hello to all

i also have the problem with my moss

my setup is

brushless 2212 motor
ESC 20 amp
servo 9 grm +2
battery 1000mah
Futaba 6exap with 146iP receiver

my problem is when i connect battery connector to ESC and switch on TX, the motor start beeping and both the servo gets moving ? Bang Head

can any one throw some light for me plz Help Me

nehu

 
Logged

Specktrum DX6i l EasyStar l Cabin Cruiser 46 l

Turnigy GTX3 l mSP 190 Micro Heli l HengLong Mad Truck l Kyosho TR-15 Roller
 

Read
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2009, 04:59:09 PM »
rcforall
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 22 
rcforall barely matters.rcforall barely matters.
Offline Offline

City: Chennai
State: Tamil Nadu
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 1663
Join Date: Mar, 2009



These are 100 % issues related to the radio :

1) Check if you have elevon or v tail mix on in your tx.
2) As for the motor beeping probably your throttle is on reverse .

BTW  have you set the max and min points  of throttle on your ESC ?

You got it wrong you have to turn the Tx on before  connecting the battery to the receiver  Grin

Sai
« Last Edit: December 30, 2009, 05:02:20 PM by rcforall » Logged

www.zuppa.io : vehicle telematics, ADAS, IoT , Drones
 

Read
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2009, 05:04:38 PM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



For electrics on Futaba, channel 3 (throttle channel) has to be changed from "normal" to "reverse".
Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2009, 05:34:35 PM »
Shrikant
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 2 
Shrikant has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: New Bombay
State: Maharashtra
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 96
Join Date: Nov, 2009



Well Srikant, since there never was a beep, then I guess the first thing for you to do before you team up with Sandeep is to get hold of a multimeter and figure out if the BEC is actually providing the voltage in the first place.

Pankaj

Hmmm.... I have a multimeter which I bought as a part of my ethusiastic first round of tools and tacklets shopping..  Giggle

Is there any ideal voltage? or it is just that there has to be a voltage.

By the way, the set up is 7.4 V 850 mAH battery, 18 Amp ESC, 2805-1400 kV brushless motor, (supplied as a part of Mr MOSS kit) and Cirrus make - 4 channel FM, 27mhz, transmitter  and receiver, and 2 nos. CS-09 servos. (from my previous electric RTF Wattage Cessna 180)

Logged
 

Read
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2009, 12:33:23 AM »
Rao
Plane Lover
Forum Veteran

****

Reputation Power: 5 
Rao has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Tadepalligudem
State: Andhra Pradesh
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 410
Join Date: Mar, 2009



Have you checked the receiver is working or not. You can plug-in the servos without connecting the motor and see whether the servos are working or not? To see whether the BEC of the ESC is working or not you can check by connecting an external individual 4.8 to 6 volt battery to the Rx. You can also check the output voltage of the BEC with a multimeter.
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2009, 10:20:34 AM »
Shrikant
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 2 
Shrikant has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: New Bombay
State: Maharashtra
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 96
Join Date: Nov, 2009



Hi Guys!

Finally managed to get the Power system up and running  Grin Thanks to Sandeep... Salute Online phone support helped...

Actually I had reversed the polarities as all of you had predicted. Thank you guys..  Clap  Clap However luckily i didnt konk off the receiver... Actually I had tried reversing the polarities earlier as well, but at that time what I was doing was only reversing the ESC polarity, leaving the servos unchanged. The key was reversing all the polarities... thereafter it was routine channel reversals...

Shall maiden the plane on Saturday after giving some finishing touches today.. 2010 shall be up to a "flying" start...
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2009, 10:24:01 AM »
sandeepm
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 14 
sandeepm has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Mumbai
State: Maharashtra
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 1008
Join Date: Mar, 2009



Good luck dude! Thumbs Up
Logged

Fly high if you have good set of batteries.....!
 

Pages: [1]   Go Up
Jump to:  

Related Topics
Subject Started by Replies Views Last post
A real life dead-stick
Chatter Zone
anwar 14 7817 Last post May 03, 2011, 10:57:51 AM
by rcpilotacro
Osama is dead « 1 2  All »
Chatter Zone
Samanth 38 18308 Last post May 05, 2011, 05:40:58 PM
by netsecrets00
Reviving a dead cell ?
Batteries and Chargers
gauravag 1 2988 Last post September 01, 2012, 05:09:22 PM
by rcpilotacro
SK450 Dead Cat FPV + APM 2.5 + Telemetry build log « 1 2 3  All »
Multirotors
mhkabir98 54 27854 Last post March 08, 2013, 01:05:52 PM
by Rahulvyas
quadkopters.com is dead ?
RC Outlets and Resellers
parichya.gautam 6 4166 Last post April 04, 2013, 11:54:50 AM
by satyagupta