RC India
Welcome Guest, please login or register.
 
Pages: [1] 2 3  All   Go Down
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Topic Tools Topic Tools 
Read
« on: January 19, 2010, 10:49:08 PM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009





The1st  RC plane that we had been working on is now nearly complete. To check the working of the circuit, we made a trial run of the motor. (propeller was not attached).
It worked the first few times. But after sometime, even after cutting out the throttle completely, the motor kept running. We tried switching off the reciever & trasmitter, removed the
 LIPO battery. Motor stopped only after the reciever battery unit was disconnected. The next time we tried, the ESC got burnt & the LIPO battery had bulged. This is the 2nd time
that our ESC has got burnt.
                                          We wish to know what you think had gone wrong. Could the motor have been damaged too ?
 The details are :

    weight : 1.1 kg
    battery : 3 cell LIPO, 1000 mAh
    motor   : emax BL5C2815, 30A
     esc     : emax, 50 A

also we want to know is any agency providing funding for rc projects, already we have lost lot of money due to burning of esc and cheating from a rc supplier.
 now we don,t have money to move forward
plz help


15012010269.jpg
my esc and motor burnt
* 15012010269.jpg (48.62 KB, 800x600 - viewed 967 times.)
This post has 2 more images(s)/attachment(s). Please login or register to view them.
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 11:05:51 PM »
ujjwaana
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 27 
ujjwaana barely matters.ujjwaana barely matters.
Offline Offline

City: Bangalore
State: Karnataka
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 2351
Join Date: Oct, 2009



What model is that ? the fuse looks a little small in proportion to the Wingspan.
Logged

Futaba 8FG Super | HK-450v2 | FA-22 Raptor |AXN Floater-Jet | FunJet | Black Horse Edge 540 | Amp Master 015 | 2.3M Big Brother
 

Read
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2010, 12:06:11 AM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



There are a bunch of questions and issues. 

1. What is your radio setup ?  What transmitter and receiver ? 

2. When you say it worked the first few times, did it respond to changes in the throttle stick position ? Did it stop running at zero throttle position, and work only in some positive throttle ?  Or did it always run whenever the battery was connected ?  Did you recharge the lipo between these successful attempts ?

3. Running "no-load" (without prop attached) at high throttle for any significant amount of time is enough to kill a motor. How long did you run like this, and at what throttle position ?

4. The bloating of the battery is usually an indication of over discharging (running the motor longer than the battery could support).  Was the battery fully charged when you made the last attempt ? What is the "C" rating of the battery you used ?

5. Finally, did you make the plane from a plan ?  Like Ujjwal said, the fuse looks small (even though this may not be a problem).  Also, it is a heavy model, which puts burden on the motor.
Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 06:20:21 AM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009



1.transmitter futaba T4EXA, receiver futaba R136F 35MHZ

2. yes it responded to throttle stick position,stop running at zero throttle position, and work only in some positive throttle .
  but 2 times it worked at zero throttle position, then we switch off receiver and transmitter, but it no use still it was running, then we        removed battery(LiPo) to brushlessmotor, but motor didn't stop still it was running, this time little bit slow.For slow running energy was taken from battery for servo connection. We didn't recharge Lipo. Tests were only for few seconds.

3. We run the motor only for few seconds, varying zero to max.

4. we didn't recharge battery after buying. we bought battery before 4 months, but we didn't used it. it is
    YUNTONG 1000mAh
    3S YT653560PH.

5. we made this according to a proportion got from some site, i will post that. though it is our first plane we thought wing should be some what big so that it will be safe.

our connection dia. and plan is attaching

RC CONNECTION.jpg
Re: my esc and motor burnt
* RC CONNECTION.jpg (29.18 KB, 800x439 - viewed 924 times.)
This post has 1 more images(s)/attachment(s). Please login or register to view them.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2010, 06:29:01 AM by avinash.tutu » Logged
 

Read
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 07:29:05 AM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



1.  You made a big mistake by supplying the receiver with power from two sources  Cry

There was no need to connect what you call the "receiver battery unit" at all !  The receiver will get power from the ESC itself.  I honestly wish you had published this connection diagram on the forum before you tried connecting these in the manner shown. 

Look at the connection diagram in the post below, to see how it should be done properly.

http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/i-have-a-serious-problem-1376/msg11785/#msg11785

2.  Regarding your plane, it looks like you deviated from the plan. You can see that the "fuselage" length is much shorter compared to the "wingspan" on your plane, while in the plan, the fuselage is almost as long as the wingspan. 

You decision to build a bigger plane for stability was only half correct, as it has the side effect of requiring a more powerful power combo (motor, ESC, etc this increasing cost).
« Last Edit: January 20, 2010, 07:33:29 AM by anwar » Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2010, 01:16:41 PM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009



we have bought new Lipo and ESC. lipo 2300mAh,11.1v,20c.3 cell.
esc is emax 50amp.  i will post our new connection dig. please check that is there is anything wrong?. please inform us.already our 2 esc s are burnt
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2010, 01:23:05 PM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009



diagram of our connection.

RC CONNECTION.jpg
Re: my esc and motor burnt
* RC CONNECTION.jpg (23.92 KB, 800x439 - viewed 916 times.)
This post has 1 more images(s)/attachment(s). Please login or register to view them.
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2010, 01:32:00 PM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



Looks good.

While charging, choose 1A as the current (although your battery supports up to 2.3A).  This is because you are charging through the balance connectors, so keeping the current low on these thin wires is recommended.
Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2010, 02:11:39 PM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009



Thank u anwar, i will inform u after testing
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 05:06:51 PM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009



sir one more doubt

you already gone through the  specifications of our plane many times.

is that possible to fly our plane with current setup,i'm asking about motor , esc and battery.
will this motor carry such a weight.....?
according to its specifications it will.
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2010, 06:13:15 PM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



The motor and ESC seems to be OK for what you are trying to do, but we also need to know what size prop you are using to see if it is all compatible with each other. Is is something like a 11x7 prop ?
Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2010, 09:07:39 PM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009



ya it is 11*5.5E
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 03:39:28 PM »
Ashta
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 9 
Ashta has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Bangalore
State: Karnataka
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 613
Join Date: May, 2009



dear avinash,
The 11x 5.5 prop will draw >30amps. This is>300W.
unless your plane is >1200 grams, this is an over kill.
From my experience it is better to go for planes < 600 grams as a beginer. This will require aboot 100 -120 watts of power, which means at 3 cell about 10- 12 amps.
For example, i am in this hobby from last three years and i have never exceeded 25amps current draw on 3 cells.
If u increase the current to those levels, one has to take extreme precautions, esp the esc, motor and the battery.

so if you are a beginer, my advice is to give up this plane if this is > 600 grams and make another one like Blue baby or so which is under 600 grams and start.
ELse your learning curve will drain your pockets.
ashta
Logged

You can't be first because you do not know!
 

Read
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 04:30:29 PM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



The recommended prop for this motor is 11x7 (unless I was looking at a wrong model).  So there is already some margin of error. 

Can you confirm for us how you determined that a 11x5.5 prop on this motor would draw more than 30amps ?

Sure a lighter model always makes sense.  Also, it is best to test on the ground gradually increasing throttle and seeing if any part of the power system is getting too hot.
Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 05:16:39 PM »
Ashta
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 9 
Ashta has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Bangalore
State: Karnataka
RC Skills: Intermediate
Posts: 613
Join Date: May, 2009



yes anwar, the motor drwas 38 amps with 11x7 prop. see the link.
http://www.plus2city.com/plus2rchobby/new_shop/emax-runner-281509-mounts-screws-p-599.html?osCsid=jmbtfjki7dhq98o69jdn0l0k83
so with 11x5.5, 30A is my fair estimation.
there could be little approximation error here,  here but is rather irrelevant wrt the point i was trying to give, i suppose.
ashta
Logged

You can't be first because you do not know!
 

Read
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2010, 09:55:28 PM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009



our prop. is 11*5.5E, it is tracker propeller right? in which direction it should rotate when looking from front?
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2010, 10:40:38 PM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



The simple way to look at it is... you want the air to be pushed backwards ("from the nose to the tail") !  Wink

If the motor is rotating the other way, just interchange any 2 of the 3 wires that go from the ESC to the motor.
Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2010, 12:35:20 AM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009



Thank u everybody, we tested the circuit successfully from the ground. Soon we will test our plane
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2010, 05:04:54 PM »
ankur
Scratch builder and diy'er
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 9 
ankur has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Allahabad
State: Uttar Pradesh
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 750
Join Date: Aug, 2009

I am Gr8



waiting to see your plane flying
Logged

Ankur Singh,
Aged 14-Studing in Class 10th
 

Read
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2010, 10:40:38 PM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009



Thank you, tomorrow morning  we are going to test the plane
Logged
 

Read
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2010, 10:46:12 PM »
ankur
Scratch builder and diy'er
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 9 
ankur has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Allahabad
State: Uttar Pradesh
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 750
Join Date: Aug, 2009

I am Gr8



don't forget to take pictures and post it here
Logged

Ankur Singh,
Aged 14-Studing in Class 10th
 

Read
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2010, 10:59:29 PM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



Avinash - Please remember and ensure good throttle control. Fly it with enough throttle to keep it flying well.  Do not try at full throttle (or high throttle) just for the heck of it Smiley  The power drawn goes up with throttle applied, and it *may* put your electronics at risk.  You may need high throttle for take off, but reduce it to the needed levels soon after.
Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2010, 02:25:53 PM »
sahilkit
DEEP SEA DIVING RABBITS
Plane Lover
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 17 
sahilkit has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: Hyderabad
State: Andhra Pradesh
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 1442
Join Date: Mar, 2009

SANWA SD-10G & HITEC Flash 7



please fly only at large n clear ground and if possible take help for fellow experienced fliers !

best

sahil
Logged

The greatest barrier to success is the fear of failure

HORROR MYSTERY WORLD HISTORY THE HOOVER DAM

Read What You Want, Just Read Responsibly.

Today might be a great and wonderful day. It depends on you.
 

Read
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2010, 12:36:23 PM »
anwar
Administrator
Forum Hero

*****

Reputation Power: 141 
anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!anwar is awe-inspiring!
Offline Offline

City: Doha (Qatar) & Thrissur
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Advanced
Posts: 11619
Join Date: Mar, 2009

RC India - Flying and racing with open minds !



How did it go Head Scratching
Logged

Hangar : Please see my introduction.
RC India forum and me : About this forum.
 

Read
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2010, 11:34:07 AM »
avinash.tutu
Plane Lover
Active Member
**

Reputation Power: 1 
avinash.tutu has no influence.
Offline Offline

City: quilon
State: Kerala
RC Skills: Beginner
Posts: 41
Join Date: Oct, 2009



         We attempted to fly our plane last thursday. It was given a hand launch. It lifted a bit, but crashed soon after. The nose broke due to impact. We are not sure whether the crash was due to improper launching or something related to the model itself.
         We now intend to build another using Simple Plastic Airplane Design ( SPAD). { SPADTOTHEBONE.COM }. With this we hope to gain more experience in flying without significant damages.
         We hope that you will continue take interest in our project and advice us.
Logged
 

Pages: [1] 2 3  All   Go Up
Jump to:  

Related Topics
Subject Started by Replies Views Last post
Repairing a burnt motor
Electric Power
Shyam Hembram 2 2006 Last post November 01, 2013, 10:51:09 PM
by Shyam Hembram
motor burnt
Electric Power
nikhiljog 2 3298 Last post December 07, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
by KALYANPRODHAN
Burnt motor winding.!!
Electric Power
Aeroempire 17 8764 Last post June 12, 2014, 08:36:29 PM
by Aeroempire
need used, burnt 2204 motor
Wanted
rastsaurabh 9 2207 Last post December 26, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
by rastsaurabh
Burnt 2212 sunnysky angel motor
Wanted
kiran rc 1 1062 Last post January 09, 2016, 10:21:20 AM
by g1drone