RC India

For Sale are the following:
Kavan planetary gear starter only used twice german make,will has incerdible torque , will start upto a 180 size 4stroke engine . link below for specs
http://www.kavanrc.com/cgi-bin/dpsmart.exe/IndexText/F0650E.html?E+Kav

Qty 5 Hitech 525BB Servos NIB



 All the above  are in prestine condition, kindly make offer since i really dont know what the current market value is .Only the person who knows about this stuff will know its worth. Kindly make offers through PM

Thanks EM

MR edgeman, don't you think you should honor this, you are kinda encouraging bidding, for which you need to take your stuff to ebay. You will appreciate probably unknowingly you have caused an embarrassing situation.


You see your last sale, (http://www.rcindia.org/for-sale-completed/os-46-engine-and-other-hobby-stuff-for-sale/) there unintentionally you caused an embarrassing situation, with your "..i really dont know what the current market value is .Only the person who knows about this stuff will know its worth." tagline

I am sure sir, you do not want to cause this anymore with your tagline. post your price, it could be more, you can always reduce it later, if there are no takers.

Fair Call. isn't it.

So that you know, I am reporting this administrator as well. if you feel i am wrong feel free to voice it here. i am ready to change my view on the subject.

Happy selling

For want of a better definition, this (and the earlier post pointed out by Augustinev) definitely sounds like an auction with a bidding process involved. We expect absolute transparency in this forum.

No offence meant to anyone. Perhaps the seller, being new to the forum, isn't clear about the rules. Let's hope Egdeman will clarify and edit this offer soon.

Regards.

In this age of Google and related stuff, finding the price of ANYTHING is just a matter of looking for it.  Posting an asking price is always a better idea (and more so for the seller as it prevents many low-ball offers).

Anwar,  I think it should be made mandatory to post a base price.

Following is a link  which has the price for the starter:

http://www.kavanrc.com/cgi-bin/dpsmart.exe/IndexText/F0650E.html?E+Kav


and here for the HS-525BB  Servos each


http://www.imagesco.com/servo/motors/HS-525BB.html

Hope this  helps
thanks EM

Is that then your base price for the items? In any case, why not specify in INR? What about shipping?

Ok have some numbers in INR
Stater Euro 69.90 + shipping Euro 20.00 , also I will include a used Thunder power lipoly battery 3s 2100 mah 11.1 volt pack  for the starter to make it cordless . Battery costed $60.00
Has costed me Rs 5400 + Rs 2800(battery) Total Rs 8200.00



Servos $30.00 each
Has costed me apprx Rs 1600.00 each will only sell the servos as a package of 5.
Kindly make your offer through PM .

Thanks  EM

Pictures of the said items would be good. Lets see what the items look like.
Waiting for the photographs

Kavan Starter is sold .

Servos are still available .

Thanks EM

Kavan starter and the used Lipo (read misused) was returned back to the seller as the items were grossly misrepresented. The seller refunded full amount and buyer and seller bore the respective shipping costs. This post is in response to the negative feedback left by the seller, where as I was the one who was wronged.
If you want proof of misrepresentation and what else was wrong with the deal please check this thread http://www.rcindia.org/for-sale/beware-of-dealing-with-these-people/25/ from post # 35 onwards    

Anwar Bhai,

if my understanding is right (60+ stars as only buyer, that's me ;D) of how it works in ebay is, (a) no Tom DICK or Harry can give feedback to anybody and everybody, you'll have to buy from somebody and leave a feedback. For a negative feedback the seller gets to answer the feedback which stays as part of the sellers feedback. (b) if you feel the feedback is unwarranted it can be referred to a tribunal (c) there is no chance of leaving feedback on anger, without being engaged in commerce.

In this particular dealing, the question is (a) the seller said it is NIB and sent him a dog haired Lipo and a Rusty misrepresented starter, since it was not as it was claimed to be, they mutually exchanged stuff and money and the buyer left a feedback (Even in ebay you can do that , if someone doesn't ship you can leave a feedback saying, he wont ship so don't buy) saying "Misleading for sale advertisement. Buyer discreetion adviced" what is wrong in that ? End of story isn't it? story doesn't end there, edgeman gets angry and writes what he feels like.

AND that is definitely wrong. Out of anger or may be to get even or whatever, he writes obnoxious statement like "Beware of this Buyer ,Impulsive buyer,Likes to waste peoples time and money and leave Negative feedb". look at his effrontery to say the least.

The present system of leaving feedback in RCI allows people to leave a feedback whenever they feel like. Today he may write about me too, for writing this, funny even to you if he wants to FFS. whereas ebay doesn't allow one to do that unless you are engaged in commerce with each other,

PS
Why am I comparing with ebay! ???, because you have quoted that as an example and these guys are making full use of this hole in the system. WHILE i fully subscribe this feedback thing, completely. (Tautology was intentional)

Edit
Grammar

Thanks Gusty for saying what I wanted to say. I intended to send a PM to Anwar on this, but guess I  do not need to.
I have been a buyer on bay and elsewhere too and anyone who cares to look would find the items are mostly highly coveted, top $$ items. And no negative feedback either on the bay, RCG or RCU. Those positive ratings do not come from being an impulsive buyer.
 

Mr. Edgeman sure has the Audacity to come back and write what he wrote. He should be sorry for having tried to decieve people. Wasn't once enough????? Trying to do it again.   

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
Anwar, Hopefully that entry into the feedback will be reversed.

Rather than reversing the feedback, a better idea would be to have  rebuttal provsion made so that people could make thier own decisions after reading through. If somne one is in a haste to just go by the feedback, I would better not deal with such some one

Just FYI !
Some points to be noted about the sale :
1) The  Sale was never completed as the Buyer decided that he did not find the product in the same condition as he thought and so the money was refunded, The negative feedback should have never been posted .
2) Wish the buyer would have asked for pictures before he commited himself to the sale.
3) The buyer started it by putting a negative feedback and the seller replied back.

Have kept it simple and short and hope this clarifies everything.
-EM

Captain...  RCG certainly has negative feedback.

I don't think I will be able to code a better trader system at least in the near future, time is becoming a luxury :(

The way I see the current system being used is for people to point to actual posts where they can show why negative feedback was posted.  It is always the details that matter, so when you leave negative feedback, be sure to point to the thread/post which can explain your action. 

If someone is leaving nefarious feedback, I am here to set it right, at least for now.  I have no option but to play Idi Amin on this one too :(

If me (or an appointed moderator) removes a feedback entry after careful consideration of the facts and the same is posted again, then we will have to just DEAL with it.

As for this one, I have removed the feedback from "edgeman", as the product description was DEAD WRONG (unless we redefine the word "pristine").

Mr. GS
The sale was complete, money was transferred to you and the items were received by me. It was only after completion of sale that I realized that the items were not as described and hence I only left a feedback as misrepresentation. I am amazed at myself as to why I did not insist to not complete the deal and ask for refund at the very point where I came to know that the items were not as described by you (i.e without the NiCd holder). I guess a pinch of caution there would have saved all of us lot of troubles later. I still beleive I had left you very fair feedback. The allegation that buyer started it all would not stand even a cursory scrutiny as anyone who cares to read the entire thread would be able to arrive at correct findings, which are amply supported by evidences

There are others at the forum who have not had a postive dealing with you and that would only bolster my stand that you do not deal fair.

That last line is fairly short and simple and clarifies everything.    

Anwar what I meant was that I do not have any negative feedback on ebay, RCG or RC Universe. All these forums do allow negative, neutral or postive feedback

Capt , did you chanced upon to take the pic of the starter to support your claim ? I mean the original post for the sale clearly states:
'....Kavan planetary gear starter only used twice german make....'

For all the English I learnt,  even like you I would have read it as : 'used for only two times (two days/start engines for two times), Made in Germany. 

And not :

'Only used' ( only used, not cared for), twice made in Germany (it was made twice: Recycled in Germany)

To read between the lines and expect the stater in a pathetic condition. I would also have expected  putting (age old) Lipos to be used for one last time on a brand new starter !!

It would be great that such incidence are reported in black and white, so that apart from making your near friends sad for you, make (selfish)  people like me use it as an 'Advisory'

Ujjwal,
Please refer to my post #10 above, I have indicated the URL of the thread where I have explained in detail what went wrong with the deal. I have some pictures posted and some which I did not.

My case with "gurtejtoor" was "reported in black and white". Again it was clear misrepresentation and selling short. Yet I was given a negative rating and called "covetous" ! I too have only positive ratings on eBay and RCU. I have even sent material to forum members before receiving payment. So, how does one redress the unjustifiable -ve rating?

Sushil sir
There is your answer

I have removed that feedback. Should have reported that to me earlier.

In the interest of fairness... if Gurtejtoor has anything to add, let us start by answering this post of mine :

http://www.rcindia.org/for-sale/beware-of-dealing-with-these-people/msg45773/#msg45773

Remember, I am forced to take steps, which unfortunately means deciding based on available information as to which party has erred (or erred more).  I do not like this role one bit, and I NEVER base this on the individuals relationship, role, seniority, contacts or anything of that sort.  My comments and decisions are purely based on what I see as done/reported in relation to a particular dispute.  There is no taking sides and no permanent animosity either.

Thats a very mature, fair and committed step you have taken Anwar. I wonder how much dedication you have shown to the forum. Hope both the parties would take the proceedings in good spirit. Wish similar closure could be given to few other 'open' disputes making rounds (like famous Futaba 10C one!).

Anwar, yes we know that, and that is the reason for my suggestion of scope for rebuttal by either party so that no one plays judge jury and executor. Members here would be free to take thier own decisions based on information availble. May be you could look for this functionality later