RC India

Dear all,

I want to offer balsa wood in sheet and stick. The standard dimension is 900mm x 100mm x 1mm ~ 100mm. You can see the price list in attached file here.

Thank you.

what would be the shipping charges to india...?? that should be considered while buying a heavy and a large package like this..!!
 

Please remember that importing wood has additional overhead of getting Fumigation done by the Argri dept, apart from the usual Customs hassles

shipping cost?

Dear all,

Thanks for your feedback.

Shipping cost rate to India is about US $1.40/kg of your total weight order (by air freight). Our density balsa wood is between 100~120kg/cubic meter (CBM). Delivery time is between 5~7 days after confirm order. We usually send proforma invoice (include detail of item barcode), packing list and fumigation certificate to buyer before we deliver their order.

For information, below the standard weight of our balsa:
(Dimension: 900mm x 100mm)

1000pcs of thickness 1.0mm = 20kg
1000pcs of thickness 2.0mm = 40kg
1000pcs of thickness 2.5mm = 50kg
1000pcs of thickness 3.0mm = 60kg
etc..

We write min.order 2000pcs, that's mean, you can order many kinds of the thickness but the total order is 2000pcs. For example, you order :
500pcs of thickness 1mm,
500pcs of thickness 1.5mm,
250pcs of thickness 2mm,
250pcs of thickness 2.5mm,
300pcs of thickness 3mm, AND
200pcs of thickness 5mm

So, the total order is 2000pcs. Shipping cost will adjust to the total weight of the total each size.


If you have any question, please feel free to contact us at maxim.indowood@yahoo.com


Regards,

hi
  why some 5 members can join and buy one lot and share it equally among us
   by doing this atleast we can get balsa at cheaper rates in a bulk qnty

  for eg: if the shipping cost comes to 100 dollars when shared between the 5 it comes to 20 dollars much cheaper some sereous builders can consider this

Great News !!

We offer free shipping to India for minimal order 3000pcs. If you have a R/C group, you can discuss to your friends who interested to buy balsa sheet.

This offer will valid until 31/12/2011

Thank you.
PT. MAXIM INDOWOOD
Deni Satria
maxim.indowood@yahoo.com

hi
  no ones is intrested in this balsawood
          atleast to share with two or more people
 if no one shows intrest there should be some reason

   from my point of view there must be

   1- modellers lost intrest in building model with balsa (after foam & rtf planes has been introduced)
   2- the quality must be low
   3- there must be some hassles
   4- custom difficulty
                   lastly (should not and will not happen)
       modellers lost intrest in building


    please seniours can share their thoughts

 

hi
  why no one shows any intrest

Bessie,

It is not that no one is interested. It's just that there are too many grey areas that need to be addressed.

Give me a moment to explain..............

This is addressed to Bessie as well as to Deni Satria in Indonesia (are you reading this?):

The deal is very good in terms of the financials. Economically priced, international quality Balsa wood is a rare commodity here in India.

However, please consider the following:

1. You are talking about HUGE quantities here. Not feasible for individual hobby grade modellers like most of us.

2. Too many perceived hassles. Remitting the entire payment to you, Customs formalities, releasing the consignment, documentation etc.

3. India is a HUGE country and we, the members of this forum, are far flung. We admire and appreciate each other but we won't / can't drag each other into investing in financial deals. No matter what the benefits are.

4. 20 - 30 sheets of 3 mm/2mm Balsa can be absorbed by individuals. With that kind of absorption, we are talking about 100 - 150 members tying up to buy the minimum order quantity of 3000 pieces.

5. We are not doubting your quality (some samples would be a very good idea - but we are not asking you for it.) That will/may happen only when we have covered all other angles and are almost ready to buy and the money is on the table.

I hope you have done your reading about this Incredible country called India. We are mentally progressive but chained by bureaucracy. We don't like making false or empty promises.

Sometimes, these GREAT deals, seem very lucrative but we bow to reality and stoically let them pass. We wait for a time in the future when things will be just a little more practical and practicable. International standards are sweeping India into their folds. As far as RC modelling is concerned, we in India have covered a light year in the last 20 years.

Enough being said, do you have something to offer us individual modellers in the region of 20 - 30 sheets of 3mm balsa each?

Why don't you trust this forum and let the Administrator/s guide you into selecting one firm - RCFORALL / RCBAZAAR/RCDHAMAKA/RCELECTRO etc. as an agent for your Indian operations? {There are more worthy organisations and I mean no disrespect to them if I cannot recall their names right now.}


You drop a bulk there and we buy it from them. Set a minimum order quantity and everybody benefits.

End of the day, as I said before, economically priced, international quality Balsa wood is a rare commodity here in India.

We need your product, help us buy it.

Regards,

VC

:hatsoff: VC :hatsoff:

very rightly said mr.vc
  this is what the reply i expected from the form members
   i always beleive every thing has solution when it comes in to debate in open
    at last we the modelers in india should get benifited
    :thumbsup:

Personally, this doesn't make any sense.

While VC may make chuck gliders out of it for his commercial venture, how many of us are into scratch builds anyways - leave alone mass scale model builds?

The consumption for hobby and scratch builds would be limited to a few sheets at a time, so consuming such large quantities would result in huge holding costs for who ever imports.

So in the end, likes of Sharma Models are quite affordable source of balsa for our needs

Pankaj

Well said! +1 :thumbsup:

However, lets just imagine - what if 3mm balsa sheets were available @ Rs.50/- or so instead of the prevailing prices? Would more people be interested to try their hand at balsa builds?

Personally speaking, I have a few sheets of 3 and 2 mm imported balsa squirreled away for the last so many years. Prices being what they are today, I won't dare use it unless my life depended upon it. ;)

VC,
your logic sounds tempting, but just look at this forum itself. How many scratch builds you see on regular basis? 10-15 at max? So the commercial side of paying close to 30-40% duty, freight, insurance, storage, breakage etc......
Taking all this I doubt we are going to see a 3mm sheet 50/-  :)

 :'(

there are many scratch builders here; but most don't post build logs (which they should) and the others only post some of their builds.

I can totally relate to this; i'll never dare experiment with balsa. At best I'll get it laser cut, that too some well proven plan.

making balsa available at lower cost is now in the hands of the hobby shops in india

     every one is looking the current senario of the todays modelers but no one is thinking of the future modellers
if the hobby suppliers makes the basic construction materials at economic rates, my guess is many hands may touch on to the scratch build out of which many can suceed and the modelers community nos may increase

    today we can get 3mm sheets but
   triangle
   square
   trailing edge
   leading edge
         is hard to get

the above said suggetions is my personal opinion

hobby suppliers please consider

Maybe we should have a separate section for scratch build/build logs (or rename the DIY section as Build Logs) so that we can directly see who's building what

Yes absolutely; we should bring this up to Anwar. I don't know if it should be renamed as 'build logs' but I feel all models which are not build from commercial kits should be posted there.
ps: we are going off topic, this topic might require a split.

hi
  i think we r going off topic
   it is not how many are building, it's about how we are going to add up the no of persons building the model

   now its in the hands of the hobby suppliers in india to make the most important material (balsa)for building the model to be available at lower cost
 with this i have posted a small workout for the hobby suppliers

  this might be a large qnty but
   sheets 10 (each)+rectangle/leadingedge/trail edge (5-each)
   u can disperse it to 10 persons
  costing less than 12000 per persons

       Sir,
   I am of the opinion that many modellers do in fact build their models from kits/
Balsa wood .But the high price of Balsa and availability of Arf's are making them shy away from building their models.The price of Balsa is so high that Even repairing a damaged model becomes sometimes more expensive than buying New.
   Another issue is majority of modelers like me are not able to handle the import
procedure. If the Balsa offered is made availably in India through some LHS then
So many like me will buy ,Provided it is not priced very high. with reasonable profit for Lhs Even on little higher side. Substantial quantity will sale .This is what I think.
       Thanks

     HH narayanrao KNS

its very dissappointing that no local hobby suppliers respond to this thread

         :banghead:

bessie - since you seem so passionate
why do you not take the initiative and
start supplying balsa yourself ??

that way you could actually do something
about what you believe , instead of expecting
others to act.

hi'
 saikat if it would have been possible for me i would have stared hobby supplies business
    now iam only a hobby flier and builder
iam only requesting the person who is already doing business

more over if any one wants to increase the community of flying its in the hands of the hobby suppliers who is already in business

Bessie, just because no one is posting here doesn't necessarily mean that no one is interested or that no importer is acting upon this deal/offer. Just give it some time and let's wait and watch if any developments take place.

Bessie - all hobby supply businesses were started by individuals.

I doubt whether companies like Reliance or Tata are involved.

why are you persuading him to start a hobby shop? am i missing something here ???

Just a thought. If someone were to import 3000 pcs, as stipulated by Maxim Indowood, what would be a good grade mix for the consignment? Which dimensions would sell the fastest?

IMHO, 3mm and 1.5mm sheets would be the best sellers. What do the rest of us feel?

posted just to keep talking about this topic

hi bessie, i have been dealing with this person " DENI SATRIA" for the  past 1month now and will tell the story about how every  thing was working

first i asked him if he  would shipme 180 sheets of balsa of varying thicknesses, he agreed and gave me a bank account no of some "ADRIN ADAM", and told me to  do a wester union /money gram transfer.
WESTERN UNION and MONEY GRAM did not accept the transfer as it was a third party.

he then gave a invoice in name of " PT. HEMAL ARGUSIA" and the same account name for the transfer. by bank.

IDBI bank did not accept the payment as now there were three names involved.
1> ADRIN ADAM----> the account holder
2> PT. HEMAL ARGUSIA-----> the firm who issued the  invoice
3> DENI SATRIA-----> the person negotiating or  the one who had emaild.

i informed him about this  and then gave me a invoice  in the name of MAXIM INDOWOOD and a bank account in the name of maxim indowood.

IDBI  then accepted the payment and cleared it with a feee of  :Rs: 1300( on 6/12)

since then i posted him 15 emails and have received no reply. finally i gotone reply on 14/12 that  the payment  was cleared and i would receive the package on 16/12 ( today),and will  send a copy  of the airway  bill.  but  i have not received either.

 i have again sent him 3 emails  and the finally called the ph no. on the invoice that informed me that there is no DENI SATRIA in MAXIM INDOWOOD and that the email stated  above does not belong to them.

since it is  a yahoo email and i too have a ID i can see the person  come online but doesnot  reply  to the emails.

senior forum members help in handling such issues will be very much helpful. ANWAR SIR can you  track the IP address.

Assuming that this deal is dead, how much money have you lost?

luckly only $85.54== 4400 + 1300(bank) =5700

still hoping that  he replies
will just wait for another  2-3  days  for the reply  and then see what can be done to get the money back
have the bank account info so  should be easier...!!
any  suggestion on how i should deal..

Since no option left with you, wait.. hope the consignment had been delayed

that is the only thing  am hoping right now...

but not replying emails even though online is what is bothering me....  :banghead: :banghead:

I have something more to add here. However, I will wait for a few more days before I declare anything in public.

various links and threads  related to the person:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1543029

http://www.eceek.com/company_208506_pt-maxim-indowood.htm

http://www.toy123.net/suppliers/3107/Balsa-Sheet.htm

hi
  this is the huge intrest taken by u we hope there may be some delay with the consignment

we will wait for some more days

another three days is what i am going wait for, then launch a complaint. i have also formed his bank about this ( BANK CENTRAL AISIA)

This has taken a very sad & serious turn. Hope you get either the material or your money back. Mr. Deny, why so silent?

some  online research shows...!

DENI SATRIA is linked  to mixim indowood with his sale on alibaba.com other IE sites.
http://www.toy123.net/suppliers/3107/

ARDIN ADAM is also a balsa dealer but owns a firm PT balsa studio.
http://balsastudio.en.ec21.com/Balsasheet--3746950_3746951.html

PT HEMAL AGRINUSA is also a balsa firm run by Mr. Junaidi Hendro
http://www.tradeindia.com/Seller-4328933-PT-HEMAL-AGRINUSA/

but unfortunately they are not linked  to  each other.

trying to  call the MAXIM INDOWOOD office  for past 2days has have been  getting no answer.
maxim.indowood@yahoo.co.in; is also not online since 15/12.

members any suggestion on how to deal....!!

Try finding some Indonesian rc forum like http://www.jac.or.id/
There might be some people who knows about the shop or help you in this matter.

I have been smelling fish all the way, and though others on the forum would have smelled the same too. What would you do if some Arab offered you to sell Arctic Ice at a rate lower than Eskimos ?

Balsa is ***NOT** grown in **ANY*** South Asian country. I wish I had directly confronted Mr Bessie  who seem to have ran away from the forum with a paltry booty of USD 85.

just have a look.. around the net..,southeast Asian countries do  grow balsa.. balsa there is actually  used for mounting engines onto ships/boats(to absorb vibrations)  as it   is also grown in  kerala for the same reason.

check  the above links.

Ps: MR.DENI SATRIA, was online on yahoo, 30mins  back sent him 3 emails no reply.

Vish i posted in the rcgroups in his post about about this so tat people aware about him.

I held back for a while to see if this mess got sorted out on its own and whether Vish received the consignment or got his money back. Seems like neither has taken place.

My partner and I decided to procure Balsa from this organisation. Emails were exchanged with Mr. Deni Satria and quotes (rather attractive and lucrative) were received. Along with that came 3 small samples of 1.5mm, 3mm and 6mm Balsa. Outstanding quality - far superior to what is sold in India under the tag of "Imported Balsa".

Now we were ready to make the payment and book the order. we wanted to pay via LC and Mr. Satria was insisting on a TT or Western Union. As we dithered, Vish posted what had transpired and we hit the brakes, HARD!

Same rigmarole followed. ISD calls proved that there was no such person as "Deni Satria" employed at Maxim Indowood. The email from which he was corresponding with us was not recognised by them etc. etc. Above all, the lady who spoke was not comfortable in English, that made matters even more complicated.

The above is for general information to all. At the moment, we have decided not to go ahead with this deal till matters become clearer.

RCVish / Sujju Bhai - Thanks for the warning Buddies. :thumbsup:

Deni Satria - Thanks for the 3 samples. Please clarify matters here and help us progress.

Regards.

since there was no reply for a week ....  i went ahead and launched a police complaint, had a contact with their bank and was assured that they have taken strict  action against the suspect. they want a firm authenticated mail from my  bank so that they can start a refund process.

also contacted alibaba.com, hey confirmed that they have had similar issues with the seller previously, and would lend full help to the authorities investigating.

got a response from Indian embassy  in Indonesia that  they will look into this matter, and punish the guilty.

even if the person is fake his bank has all his information and will  be easy to track down for the  local authorities. Being an Islamic law country i do not  think he will get away with small fine.

Mr. DENI SATRIA if you are reading this YOU HAVE GOT  YOUR SELF INTO GREAT TROUBLE FOR MERE $85..

@VC sir: what was the cost of the order you  were intending to place..?? when was the last you got a response from him...!

Last email received on 16th Dec :

"Dear VC,

We're not accept L/C. We use telegraphic transfer for payment terms. If the terms is not accordance with you, we will not disappointed if you want to cancel your order. Please let us know if you have cancel your order.

Sincerely,
PT. MAXIM INDOWOOD
Deni Satria"

These are the details of the order that we had been negotiating for:

We offer a quote accordance your consignment compositions with the net price is below:
==============================================
Qty     Item Description                                   Price/Unit    Amount
==============================================
 
 500   Balsa Sheet 915mm x 100mm x 1.5mm   US $0.20    US $100.00
1000  Balsa Sheet 915mm x 100mm x 3.0mm   US $0.35    US $350.00
 750   Balsa Sheet 915mm x 100mm x 5.0mm   US $0.55    US $412.50
 750   Balsa Sheet 915mm x 100mm x 6.0mm   US $0.65    US $487.50
==============================================

@ US$ = Rs.52/- the total outlay was more than Rs.70,000/-

Narrow escape, all thanks to RC Vish.

all thanks  to my 85$ which got flushed down the drain :banghead: :banghead: .!

it was  a damn narrow  escape,.... if it had  taken me two more days to wait and write this... you would  have been  the same place i am right now..

after my previous post here...! i received a reply from him... stated as

"Dear sir,

We're very sorry that we can't deliver your order. Our forwarding company can't deliver a small order. We will refund your money. Please write your bank account information.
Sorry for this apologized.

Sincerely,
PT. MAXIM INDOWOOD
Deni Satria"

glad to hear tat..

hi
  glad to hear that
   

then to ujjwanna
   u first understand that i did not ran away from form looting the money
   next if u would have smelled some thing fissy u would have participated in the debate and must have warned the members
   u have not even posted single post in this topic
   now hurting me and also some one who dare to take some steps in the aeromodelling makes cheaper

hands off to rc wish

it is "vish".

and i did not mind tasting the poison. as i thought it  was necter.  actually i just wanted to help a M.S student who was in  desperate need of low price balsa and my self. there  was no commercial interest in this deal.

i have given  the seller  time till 26/12 /11 to get a full refund along  with the  amt i spend for the bank  charges.

also sent a email to  the authorities in Indonesia and India involved to  hold on  with  the investigation. until 26/12.

an  important lesson to  be learnt  for all. NEVER PAY UNTIL U HAVE MADE ENTIRE BACKGROUND CHECK of THE FIRM,.......

and ONLY USE  PAYPAL for INTERNATIONAL TRANSACTIONS..

I have seen so many similar scams on this RC forum and also on the photography forum I used to be frequent. Please  have a look at the thread and see what people have told about you - these are relatively newbies doing some good research on your rather suspicious pattern.
Regarding me necessarily putting my leg: I was planning to get along with few other people and get a bulk shipment of your original offer, but ridiculously  cheap price  raised a red tab in my book. I am happy with my trusted LHS providing me with the timber for the mean while.

Coming back to your gratefulness of returning the money. You should have double checked with your supplier/shipper before committing.

Please do read about the improper payment procedure written about you in this thread which painted your RED before accusing me. We had enough of this kind of  'Run away bitches'

hey
 ujwanna
   before accusing some one u have to study the post properly (this is the word told by u)
first u understand that who is selling
  u dont know that in first hand then why r u shouting some nonsense

for ur clarification
   r/c wish has sent his payment to dennie santria and this thread has started by him only
   before accusing some one first go through the topic clealy

iam in india
  iam not in indonesia do u think iam stupid hearing all the nonsence u r talking

mind ur words

I am sorry but I don't understand why Bessie is being accused of swindling / attempting to swindle anyone. Bessie, afaik, is just a passionate modeller who was requesting others to import some balsa wood. Am I missing anything here?

thank you very much

all i want is that all the modelers accross india should get benifitted with low cost supplies

but it back fired me
who should i accuse i dont know

I would apologise Mr Bessie as I mistook you for mr Deni Sataria coz the way you retaliated. There was not a clue that you were involved in the payment.
Iam not sure how long have you been in the forum, but we have seen so many wellwishers of this hobby turning into fleecers that any one using such words raises suspicion.
Please mind that there have so many others who have tested unseen waters and done enough of TOFTT. Just they dont claim that so often.

All the best for all future endeavors

This is a serious scam, A serious fishing scam I must say happened here. Mods should consider to take stricter actions, atleast for future prevention of such kind of instances.


Secondly being  involved in international trade professionally I understand this fact very well, that how difficult it is for a person to import big quantities in personal capacity. And LoC is a norm, even if you are dealing with known people, and if you are dealing with unknown people it's Mandatory. Good VC sir you haven't fallen in trap.

Yes we as a group of flyers here, had given a thought to this idea, to import balsa from this seller, but Ujjwaana was the only person who have opposed this idea, and warned us against this person. So I know very well he knew about intentions of this seller. I know for sure he might have expressed same views on this fora if any member might have expressed his intentions of buying balsa from this seller.

If you are advocating for some person than, certainly it will be understood as, either you Know that person very well or you have some interests in his efforts, irrespective of his intentions.

And finally I think, and mentioned previously also, that no civilised person will digest personal remarks, which are bad to taste, and keep on posting, may be once or twice. Any ways it's upto Mods to decide

Akshay - well said! +1

As far as the rest is concerned, Ujjwaana has been man enough to apologise for his words, he is a senior member, and I am sure he was trying to safeguard the community from a scam. End of story. No damage done, I hope.

I consider myself very lucky today.

Certainly VC sir, I myself had considered this poster, to have some interest in this sale or some kind of representative of the seller.

For sure Ujjwaana is man enough to say sorry. after listening all those personal remarks, which were certainly not good to taste.

To answer Mr Bessie's comment on why I kept quiet - for this very reason of becoming Public Enemy despite all good reason. I have beaten down many wrong doer in the past, only to become reputation looser at end of the day.

So on the advice of many of my near dear and well wishers, I limited my posting only regarding Build-Threads and non -controversial technical topics. But to my deepest disappointment, the forum remains to be a Kinder Garden, instead of growing up over these 3 years. I think this forum has enough moderators per (active) member I have seen on a comparable forum to keep a vigil on any such activity. I pray R/C Vish case has a happy closure, nevertheless My Sataria's repeated 'Bumps' to persuade people to make an order from him would always raise an alarm, specially after seeing a copy-paste post on RcGroups.com addressing to Indian audience. It shows such an desperate attempt.

I am sick of myself acting like बेगानी शादी में अब्दुल्ला दीवाना  all the time...

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

And in the end, it is the forum's fault... that's typical Ujjwal :)

Anyways, I have just had probably the busiest two months I have had in the last few years, and was barely logging on to the site.  I had not watched this thread (since I had not made any comments on this, I was not subscribed to it automatically either).

Overall, this looks like a simple case of "not enough due diligence".  There are proper methods of importing from unknown external parties for bulk quantities of anything, and one such tool commonly used is a "Letter of Credit".  Feel free to look it up.  If anyone asks you to send via Western Union, stop right there !  If someone here did not know that, of course it is this forum's fault :giggle:

If the rest of Ujjwal's above comments are about support for Hobbyking (which is the only controversial subject that I can attribute to him), then some people did not seem to understand the whole concept of percentages, economies of scale and finally some ground realities (including the wriggling they do) when it comes to low margin large businesses. I am not going to say anything more than that.

And finally, it does not take "moderators" to caution one another... how is that for a novel idea ?

Pardon me, but I am in a bad mood today... sort of overworked ;D

BTW, Jepara is sort of the furniture capital of Indonesia, and a close friend of mine travelled there 4 times within the last 2 years while he was getting his house built. He got all his furniture from there.  I know another person from Kerala who settled there, adopting the sending of furniture to Kerala as his line of business.

I still feel the seller started off as genuine, and his intention was to sell in bulk to hobby shops.  He was not really expecting piece meal orders, which are not economical for anyone.  His intentions may have changed once he realized the hassles in dealing with piece meal stuff.

This is Forum's Fault because of Forum policies, People start making derogatory remarks without knowing the fact, or the person they are writing about.

There can't be a middle path.

And secondly it's not forum's fault if a person orders without asking questions here for the things he does know about.

Johny a few points for your consideration

.. does it matter, isn't showing courage more important than thinking of reputation ? let me tell you , your reputation is better than many of the forum heroes,


should have stuck to this policy, one sentence alarm, if you wanted to, and leave it at that , gullible people need to learn by making mistake, (Remember 'Tiger with OS 60' incident of mine, i lost big money, then i learnt,)


..may be, but the hobby is not, it has made gr8 strides in last few years, this RCI school has more nursery children than children in 12th (There are some who think they are in 12th but are still are in nursery) nevertheless it is a school, a lot of lads fall back to this forum to learn, a lot of'em login, read and never post, they visit relevant threads, read and gain knowledge. i think there are 100+ viewers (if not more, anwar bhai will be able to tell us about it) to a participant. Even if you think it is a Kinder Garden (I don't think so though) , give it time, it will grow, you presence will help it grow


did you hear the whole song. there is  beautiful line at the end of it, that's what we do, look out for each other while giving the other person room to manoeuvre read this

अपना बेगाना कौन जाना अनजाना कौन
   अपने दिल से पूछो दिल को पहचाना कौन
   पल में लुट जाता है यूँ ही बह जाता है
   शादी किसी की हो अपना दिल गाता है

बेगानी शादी में अब्दुल्ला दीवाना ..

these are just points to ponder, you can refute me, in public, no issues on that, you are dear to me that's why, i wrote

Merry Xmas

We really missed your comments on a topic of such high monetary value.
Lately,  I have not been a (blind) HK supporter, but advocating awareness and one's right when ordering, contrary to one of my close friends opinion.

I guess you deserve a decent holiday, but it wd be hard to find such an addictively active Admin while you are away.

This looks like MPower/JackHobbies case even at its best. Though there is no outwardly fraud evident till now, much due diligence was required by Mr Satria to reply on this forum instead of being silent all the while.


And सुभान  अल्लाह  Gusty sir, point taken....

Dear Moderator & All,

I strongly suggest to close this topic ,we are all aeromodellers & think alike.There are more better topic.

Wish you all aeromodellers a very merry x mas & happy new year 2012

Regards
Peter

Mr.gomes: this  topic does not end until  i get me refund or he  gets punished...

i  think he has  no intention of refund as he has not  replied to my emails  again.he is just wanting to nuy sometime....

i went ahead and informed the INDIAN EMBASSY in Indonesia that he has not  replied within  24hrs as i was  told to wait for 24 to  get a reason for this delay. with a positive response from them that  they have put  a local police  case there in Jakarta against the name they  got from the bank, ( NOT TO BE DISCLOSED). and i have to  wait till Monday  to receive a full refund. or they will  issue  a manhunt.

i really  appreciate the help from Mr. Rakesh Kumar Arora, First Secretary (Economic & Commercial, , Indian embassy, Jakarta) who is helping me through  this..

after  Monday  i  do not care if i get my money back, but  this  person will get a ride  for a life... will understand not to mess  with the INDIAN AEROMODELLING COMMUNITY

+1

well said R / C Vish...

 :hatsoff: :hatsoff: :hatsoff:

Hello Vishvesh,

Thanks for make a trouble. We get a black list from our bank. It's only US$85 and you make anything like a boy lost his balloon. We try to refund your money but bank can't process duo your complain. How would we do to give back your BIG money? We're sorry to deal your transaction. Because of you, we LOST anything. Police in Indonesia only know money to close your case.
Aaarrggh.. If We know you have a big mouth, we will not accept your order.

Please tell us how to give back your money. How about our reputation? and can you clear our name? (from bank, b2b website and this forum). I don't think so.

Regards,
Deni

To VC,

Thanks for your information about the sample. We will not disappointed if you want to cancel your order although we have pay to make your documents (certificate, fumigation, COO, phytosanitary etc).
Now we had lost many cost duo vishvesh report.
Thanks for your attention.

Regards,
Deni

Mr. Satria,I am sorry to hear that you had incurred expenses for preparing the relevant documents. However, my partner or I had never confirmed the order to you. In my understanding these documents are prepared only after the party has confirmed the order in writing. We were still negotiating payment terms when this thread was posted by Mr. Vishvesh.

As far as your reaction to Mr. Vishvesh's post / complaint is concerned, I feel it is outrageous. He is a member of this community and we stand by him. Your language is most unbecoming of a genteel person.

I am reporting you to the moderators of this forum.

It is a matter of principle, even if it is $1.  If you could have just responded better and in time, none of this would have happened.  Instead you did not respond forever, because this was SMALL money.  How would you feel if you got cheated out of $80 ?  How about $40 instead ?

Sad to see people who represent companies post such replies.  You not only dragged yourself to a low, but took the company along with it.  I hope someone in your company's management sees this thread.

I have been asked to ban you from his forum... but I am not doing this for two reasons.  Actually two things may happen :

1.  You continue your response with the tone you have taken, taking yourself and the company you represent to new lows.

OR

2.  You realize that there is a "gentleman"ly way of doing business, and clear your name and your company's name (by amending your ways / line of thought).

You will continue to have a voice here, so that you can take either of these paths, and all of us will be here to see which one you choose.

Please do note that in today's connected world, getting a payback for not keeping your word from half way around the world is just as easy as finding a customer from half way around the world.

I want to agree with you Anwar Bhai, No business can operate on so much lethargic responses. That creates doubts about intentions of the poster. All his clarifications and responses came after all the exercise, of making complaint with various authorities, that also after providing sufficient time to respond.

As you have mentioned, this was not matter of quantum of money, but the feeling of getting cheated. Above all I loved the way India Rc community acted in a unified way, I hope if we can act in same way, with all the matters no body can dare to mess with us as VC mentioned.
( I had urged for same response way back, though mention of that matter is irrelevant here)
 

+1 Anwar sir  :thumbsup:

Attention to all rc dealers, indian or international. If you are selling to Indian modeler, inform them in timely manner. We are not impatient, but we surely deserve logical answers in timely manner. And if dealers fail we won't let our money go...

mr deni  satria... please  read the reply  i got from alibaba.com. i am posting it here for all to see.
""

Case not substantiated - Supplier's membership was terminated before receiving this report.

Closure of your dispute #case no#

Dear Vishvesh Kakkeri,

We are sorry to hear that you have experienced a problem with a supplier on Alibaba.com.

After a thorough investigation, we found that this supplier has received substantiated complaints from other Alibaba.com members. As soon as we have gotten the report of this fraudulent behavior, we have terminated their membership and ended the contract with this company. We can no longer contact them at this point.

Alibaba.com acts as a referral site for buyers and sellers using our marketplace, – we are not a buyer, seller or broker in any transaction, but rather a platform connecting buyers and suppliers around the world. During the authentication and verification process, our third party service contractor can only check if the business/entity is validly in existence and has registered in its local business administration,
and if the contact person has the official capacity to represent the business/entity. This verification does not verify any credibility of the supplier, so it is still important for you to exercise your own judgment to assess the supplier’s trade capability and the commercial risks involved in subject transaction.

Nonetheless, Alibaba.com is committed to combating unfair practices such as false advertisement, fraud and intellectual property rights infringement. We treat these violations of trust on our platforms very seriously, with strict policies and enforcement measures aimed at eradicating these unfair practices. It’s important to understand that Alibaba.com’s record as a trustworthy marketplace is one of our most valuable assets, which we intend to actively build and protect.

We therefore strongly recommend you：

1. Report your case to the according police bureau where the supplier you complained is located.  You may consider hiring a local lawyer to assist you in this process. 

2. Or if you have a friend in their country, you may authorize your friend to represent you and help you in this process. After you make a report to the police, we will give our full cooperation to the law enforcement authority in connection with their investigation of your case under and within our legal obligation.

3. Or you may consider seeking for help from your country's embassy in their country which can be a good way to resolve your problem. You may also ask your country's embassy in their country to contact the police bureau and they can help you enforce your legitimate remedies against the subject supplier.

Sincerely yours,

Melody

Online Security Department of Alibaba.com

still to add to  the above post. you confirmed the payment was received into your bank account on 14/12/2011 after payment from my side was cleared on 7/12/2011 ( does  it take 7 days for money to reach)

on asking for the  status  about  this deal repeated no of times. i got another reply on 22/12/2011 that you cannot send it.

Mr. DENI For your information you use  yahoo mail.... and i  too  use the same.... when ever you are online  i can see you online.

i noticed you online daily then too i did not get a reply.

through the repeated warning you about my actions i will take if i did not get a reply you have not  replied. U challenged me on what i  could do  and you have seen the power an Indian aeromodeller has. all are not the way you think watching in the news

in my previous post also i  have mentioned that if i do not get a  proper reply in timely manner i will  take a action you will remember for life.

you had told me you will refund on 22/12/2011 and your last  post shows that you have  not started your refund  process yet. what you  have to say  for that.,...?

if i still  get my refund i  am  ready  to take back  my complaint release you... i  will inform your bank and also B2B websites and your  consulate in  India and ours in your country with whom i have launched  a complaint with.

you have 4 options  now:
1> refund  via bank  transfer
2> refund via Moneygram/ western union
3> refund  via paypal
4> send me the consignment

if you choose the 4th option i will clear you with a +ve feed back...(despite the delay). for which i need a confirmatory email in next 24 hrs and a copy of air freight bill, fumigation certificate,  COO, phytosanitary by monday 2/1/2012

els i will wait  up till 2/1/2011 for a  full refund of $ 85.54 else you are left  to your fate. i am  not informing the authorities till i receive cash in hand. till then let them  do their work.


CHOICE IS YOURS.....  ONLY YOURS

Wow! This is World War 3!

Mr Deni Satria,
Your response about r/c Vish  is in bad taste :o. In fact you could have avoided all the bad blood between you and the Modeller community in this forum, if you just responded promptly to him and explain the bottle necks or troubles you were facing in dealing with this "boy's balloon" order. It is not a matter of $ 85 or 850000. It is a matter of principle. It would have been better had you bothered to communicate promptly - personally or in this august forum -  and explain the matter / troubles. :headscratch: We, the Indian modellers are used to the delays and lapses in getting things from abroad. :banghead: Most of us would have experienced these delays, at least once in a while. We would have waited understanding the problems and your genuine efforts (if any, that is) ...but your avoiding him and finally lamenting that you lost your reputation etc., is sad and bad.
May be, who knows, you could have done roaring business with the Indian modeller community in future (may be some truck-loads of 'balloons' !) if you could honor your side of the business and handled the issue better. All this, is self-created by you and you have to bear it.
Some of our members also could have handled the middle part of this episode in a better manner, had they shown more restraint. I am not trying to belittle anyone nor I mean any thing bad by saying this; but if this has hurt any of the honorable and senior members, :-\ please pardon me. I meant well.  :bow:

PS: I wonder how Mr Demi Satria understands the gist of this mail !! English can be such a 'phunny' language, you see!!! ;D
 :thanks:

If Alibaba's action is justified, Mr Satria is probably a pure 'Internet Scam'. I think he would be busy laying trap for new victims instead of writing any more post here. If he was posting on this forum every other day before , why so suddenly 'Too busy for selling 'Balloons'.

Visvesh, if you can still do some thing, please act now.

i have done every thing...  now just waiting and watching the fun....! he is given time till Monday either refund or send the package..... if not i will put some pressure on  the  authorities to take action...( they have already taken. hence his reply here.. or he would have sat quite)

Hi Guys

It seems this guy is still up to his old tricks, his new name is Suherman Balsa, or UD Suherman.

I ordered a large quantity of balsa, which i actually recieved a tracking number for this company "mandala samudra com"
After a couple of weeks the balsa never arrived and the tracking number had come up with "return to sender shipping document have expired"

After contacting the seller his reply was to state that due to new rules for timber export the minium dollar amount had to be $1000 usd and that he suggest i place another order!

After telling him i will not be sending him any more money, no contact has been recieved from him.

how much  did u loose...??

$500 usd