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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2016, 05:43:59 PM »
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I have no problem to transfer rchyper's contribuition of 10K to the organizer or as directed by him to any LHS
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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2016, 05:52:04 PM »
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Good news 📰....... Sweepstakes 2016.... Is On.
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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2016, 10:38:55 AM »
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Good news ....... Sweepstakes 2016.... Is On.

But there's still no enthusiasm like before. Just a few replies from some of the old crowd.

Should we send mass invitations via pm/ e-mail?
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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2016, 11:37:59 AM »
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Start a new topic then you will get attention
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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2016, 12:50:44 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2016, 12:22:13 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2016, 04:47:56 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2016, 02:25:08 PM »
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All - I have been swamped Sad

What I suggest is that let someone like Iyer sir to drive the sweepstakes this time. I will contribute Rs10K towards prizes, and help out in any way I can.

With Facebook and Whatsapp groups around local fields being active, the activity decline on the forum is inevitable.  But things like contests will put some enthusiasm back. Forums like this will also act as pan-India co-ordination point on the hobby.

Iyer sir ?
Agreed. We still meet lot of new people in our locality through rcindia. Any suggestion of changing the timelines due to monsoon...

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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2016, 08:17:17 PM »
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Hi all members.
Was puzzled at sanjayrai55's post asking where I was.
Because strangely, I missed seeing Anwar sir's post of 16th Sep.
All - I have been swamped Sad
What I suggest is that let someone like Iyer sir to drive the sweepstakes this time. I will contribute Rs10K towards prizes, and help out in any way I can.
With Facebook and Whatsapp groups around local fields being active, the activity decline on the forum is inevitable.  But things like contests will put some enthusiasm back. Forums like this will also act as pan-India co-ordination point on the hobby.
Iyer sir ?

Honoured to be asked. Honoured to accept.

Some issues need to be addressed though:

1. This project has to be FRIENDLY and FUN. No acrimony.
Over the years I've offended members by my caustic or sarcastic remarks (though I hope I've apologised later, or did maun vrat for penance).  So 3 nays before 30th Sep and I'm out. Then its back to Anwar sir.

2. Duration:
Last year it was about 3 months. This year we can consider 1st Oct to 31st Dec...

3. Many of us, including me, were debating with Anwar sir, the purpose of the sweepstakes, whether this is a competition or lottery etc. As far as i can make out, Anwar sir has used a system of weightages for entries, and then a lottery! Didn't quite satisfy me, but seems to work. So I suggest we continue it.

4. Details have been posted by Anwar sir in this very thread earlier. Will copy relevant posts here so you dont have to search. Meanwhile of course you can search and find them yourself!

5. Prizes are an incentive, no matter what we say. Can we build a pool of prize money contributions?
Should we have 2 prizes of 20k each, or say, 2 each of 10k, 5k, 2k, 1k etc? Should we have a trophy?

6. Is there something that we should encourage but haven't done so far?

Can we discuss everything on THIS thread till end Sep, so that from 1st Oct we have a new thread for RCI 2016 SWEEPSTAKES that has only entries, and no discussion/debates?

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« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2016, 08:48:25 PM »
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"Is there something we should encourage"
I am a newbie on this forum so I don't know if it has been done before.
Suggest free flight indoor and outdoor duration be included.
Could be a single design event or lay down specs to be followed
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« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2016, 08:51:00 PM »
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Sir, pl see pm.
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« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2016, 10:18:11 PM »
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Hey!
Great first response from a member. (Though amount not mentioned!)
"Could also probably make a modest sponsorship linked to a performance challenge."

Can we get commitments that add up to say Rs 1 lac?

Then we can decide - a few large prizes, or many of smaller amounts...

Come on, potential sponsors. Already crossed 25k.
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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2016, 10:38:02 PM »
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In chronological order:
10k Vibranthobbies
  5k Quadkopters
  ??  Free airframe, sanjayrai55
10k Idi Amin
  ?? 'Modest contribution linked to a performance challenge'

Addn:
  6k Non RC. Same sponsor as last year. First achievers only please!
     (2k for 2 minute rubber powered. 2k for 2 minute glider (50m towline / 10m histart), 2k for 1min HLG)
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« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2016, 05:48:45 AM »
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I will offer an airframe. But it will not be possible to ship, so local collection only

I have many ready models, so will offer The Chosen One a choice at that time Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2016, 10:39:39 AM »
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Is it possible to introduce some new way for selection of winners by scrapping lottery based system? Lottery based system always seems to be unjustified .
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« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2016, 11:39:43 AM »
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Dear KK
With regards to the non RC my understanding of your post:
It is a race to hit the 2 min mark first and not who gets the longest duration in the event timeframe
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« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2016, 07:54:32 PM »
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@glidiator,
Dear KK
With regards to the non RC my understanding of your post:
It is a race to hit the 2 min mark first and not who gets the longest duration in the event timeframe

Sir, a possibility not foreseen! However quite unlikely.
Last year the FF prizes were offered to encourage low budget scratch builds, but there were only 5-6 entries. A not too hard goal of 1 minute was set (partly because one young member wrote that it was impossible!). In the end even the winners couldn't quite reach the goal...

Maybe the incentive was inadequate. Raised now, but so have the goals. More than 10 entries would be a pleasant surprise. As people who have surpassed such levels long ago (read old timers) will know, these goals are not exactly easy, but far from impossible! Newcomers will just need determination and effort.

For inspiration, members need to see your 2min 40sec indoor rubber flight.

Given the objective, should the goals be reduced to 1 min for rubber/glider, 30 sec for HLG?
(BTW this is only a tiny part of the sweepstakes...)
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Hi all members,
WHY IS THIS A SWEEPSTAKES AND NOT A COMPETITION?

Discussed threadbare last year, and explained by Anwar sir over several posts in this thread:

#13
It is just a mind-set Wink
Plus this is why this was never made a competition. It is just a trigger to get more active in RC, the winning part is strictly in the hands of http://random.org !

#18
I am absolutely serious about random.org.   What I do is make a list of all eligible entries in Excel (I sought help on this part last time from other admins), duplicate the ones which qualified for multipliers (so a 3x multiplier would have 3 entries/lines in Excel), assign serial numbers to all of them.  So 50 people participating may end up as 120 lines in Excel (because of chance multipliers). Then I open up random.org and call my son, ask him to pick a number between 5 and 10.  On random.org, I generate numbers between 1 and 120 as many times as my son responded and take the last one... that is the winning entry.

#21 (comment)
As Anwar sir said somewhere earlier, this is not a competition
Its a sweepstakes. Everyone has a chance.
But someone who submits 5 scratchbuilds has 25 times more chance than someone who submits one ARF.
So let's start building.
If we can cross 65000 builds, we can crash Anwar sir's Excel sheet!
Even though the selection was random, were last year's winners not deserving?

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Quote from: prasad.chodankar on June 12, 2015, 08:17:05 AM
Wouldn't a competition be better than a lottery ?   Head Scratching
Anwar sir's reply:
Deep inside my mind, I want newcomers to win.  Not veterans with mucho skills aided by disposable income.
The way the sweepstakes are designed allows the disadvantaged a fair chance (thus in line with my ulterior motive).
The only thing we INSIST on is that the rules are followed at every stage.  The builds have to be documented from the beginning to end with newspaper dates multiple times, and the maiden video should clearly show the article in rest, going into motion and staying in motion in a single continuous shot.
Basically, we want to see FAIRNESS in the entries. Please spare us from having to second guess the authenticity of anything !

I was against this lottery stuff from the start. What converted me was this sentence in Anwar's post:
"Deep inside my mind, I want newcomers to win"

In the last 3 years that I've seen it, the sweepstakes, with all its faults, succeeded in generating quite some frenetic activity. That, to me, is reason enough to support it.

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« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2016, 08:45:21 PM »
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@iamahuman,
Saw that you were online.
Could you start a new board for "RC India 2016 Sweepstakes"
And move to it messages from reply#275 in this thread?
Then rcrcnitesh's post will be the thread starter for this year!
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Dear KK
With regards to the non RC my understanding of your post:
It is a race to hit the 2 min mark first and not who gets the longest duration in the event timeframe

Further to my earlier response, maybe we could modify to longest duration above the goal, during the sweepstakes period

More such suggestions welcome. Soon please, so rules can be frozen before start.

Here is one, for example:
Additional multiplier 2x for biplane, 3x for triplane, 2x for 2 motors, 4x for 4 motors, 2x for flapping wings, 2x for canard etc...
What do members say?
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@KK

"Given the objective, should the goals be reduced to 1 min for rubber/glider, 30 sec for HLG?
(BTW this is only a tiny part of the sweepstakes...)

maybe we could modify to longest duration above the goal, during the sweepstakes period
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes goal could be reduced to 1 min for rubber. I recall my struggle to cross the 60 sec mark.
Maybe instead of giving one big prize to one winner spread the prizes to all who cross the 1 min line in the given event time frame.  -- Some incentive for every 30 secs over 1 min or some such thing.
 and one prize for longest duration. Idea is to make participants strive for greater performance levels.

For HLG-- Yes 30 secs is also not easy. Went onto  youtube now just to see some older HLG record flights -- the pros there were in the 45 secs to 60 secs range -- so 30 secs is a tough target.

And as emphasised in the various posts the aim is to get people into the various categories and participate rather than a winner takes it all event.
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My suggestion on sweepstakes versus competition... let us have both !  One prize (or set of prizes) decided by random.org and the rest as some competition.  Now I am not sure with so many categories, how the competition can be arranged, but this proposal would give us the best of both worlds !
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My suggestion on sweepstakes versus competition... let us have both !  One prize (or set of prizes) decided by random.org and the rest as some competition.  Now I am not sure with so many categories, how the competition can be arranged, but this proposal would give us the best of both worlds !
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Hi all,

Those interested to get into rubber duration for this sweepstake will need TAN SS rubber to get flights of any worthwhile duration.

I don't know of any LHS stocking this rubber.

Can get it from here

http://fly-m.com/rubber%20stock.html --- Shipping from this site is cheapest for small quantity. I got some of my rubber from here. No customs problem.

http://www.faimodelsupply.com/?product_cat=tan-super-sport-rubber.


More important you will need rubber of appropriate width depending on model weight, etc.

Can give inputs on these aspects if anyone interested.
 

 
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