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« on: October 07, 2010, 04:12:05 PM »
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Came across this while surfing RCG. Any one knows of any real world application for this version of four stroke engine?

http://www.new4stroke.com/
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So what exactly is different about this engine... for the less inclined (or technically challenged) ? Wink
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To begin with, no valve train hence low maint, no constant adjustment of valve clearance required. The engine is able to burn greater fuel charge, RPM is no longer dependent on valve train, and the engine could be designed as single block
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2010, 09:27:57 PM »
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I am sure we will hear more on this from Izmile
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2010, 09:14:57 AM »
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doesn't look efficient.. more surface, more losses!
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What kind of losses are you referring to?
More surface yes, but count that against the number of moving parts, timings of cam gears, wear and tear of all the extra moving parts and the odds would stack against the conventional 4T
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2010, 12:41:23 PM »
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friction & heat.
Also in the power stroke, part of the punch is feed to the valve cylinders. It may be justified by the power required to derive the valve train. But it just doesn't seem convincing.
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On a first look, I do feel that Sun is right about the punch fed to the valves. However, if you pay close attention you would clearly understand the beauty of it.

Look at the point where the combustion occurs. At that time the top valve cam shaft and the top pistons are locked against each other. So, not much of the punch is deliverd to the top cam shaft.

Further there is a reason for different size of the valve pistons. Again, looking after the combustion point the top large piston continues to go down compensating for loss due to the top small piston being pushed up. So, I think this engine should work.

The engine is quite complex that it requires the pistions to be positioned accurately before the engine is started. So, I think the valve cam shaft and the main cam shaft should be linked by some way or other. May be that is the reason for the drive chains you see in the prototype.

In my view, I second SunlikeStar. He is right about the wear-and-tear part. This engine has too many moving parts that operate on high stress regions of the engine. Further drive chains are a big PIA for high speed engines... So, I guess this engine may not be suitable for aircrafts or cars... May be worth to drive a mill or something slower.

In any case, the inventor deserves an applause.. Clap Clap Clap

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Izmile, count them, you would find the number of joints and moving parts lesser than a conventional four stroke, and one of the biggest advantage of this design is that it can be manufactured as a mono block, makes for a much tougher and economical to manufacture design
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Izmile, count them, you would find the number of joints and moving parts lesser than a conventional four stroke, and one of the biggest advantage of this design is that it can be manufactured as a mono block, makes for a much tougher and economical to manufacture design

True. It may be economical to manufacture. But then you need to have bearings for the top cam shaft too.. which may offset the cost equations.

Couple of things:

1, The valve pistons are locked at the power stroke. So, obviously the connecting rods are taking a heavy punch from the power stroke. There is a possiblity of metal fatigue here. Even in conventional four storkes the valves are one of the weakest link.

2, Use of drive chain/belt is usually frowned up on for obvious reasons... If the drive chain/belt its for other accesories like oil pump or dynamo then its fine.. but this design entirely rests on it.

I am sure the inventor would have thought about all these and would have a better answer for our questions..

I would love to hear this engine running though.. Is there are video of it?

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No not seen any video, and have not come across any real world application as well and hence my question
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Only a movie. You can believe me that the engine is in every way perfect, and even me as a designer and artist caught in achieving the performance as much as two and a half times better ..

Here, the current version of the flathead engine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flathead_engine

And here is my version, but strangely drawn ..

http://www.new4stroke.com/dolnozaworowy1.jpg
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The wikipedia is written with the maximum degree of pairing can get a 7: 1 And this is the fundamental flaw in the solution. Therefore, this low level of compression is because the valves need to have a place in the head to be able to go in and open up. In my constructs, valves (pistons) opening up, regress to the crankcase, so the head can be completely flat, without going into the notches on the valves. With a completely flat head, the compression ratio we receive in my design, possible 27: 1 It is a circuit are adequate for spontaneous combustion - diesel engine, which takes about 18: 1 compression ratio. So you can make the First Diesel Engine in the World with flat head ....



Also will not need to divide the block and heads, because my valves (pistons) can be loaded also from the crankcase, rather than the traditional valves from the head, so when the engine submission is possible in this way, the division heads and engine block becomes redundant. You can perform when the engine entirely from one piece, except for very an emergency head gasket and bolt heads that secure critical

http://www.new4stroke.com/images7.jpg
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http://www.new4stroke.com/dolnozaw.jpg
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http://www.new4stroke.com/flat.jpg
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http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=4+stroke+engine&vid=07311832032500ca275c02e914981f45&l=3%3A40&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.4540610492893571%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Diu9LosA7s8c&tit=4+Stroke+Engine&c=28&sigr=11amfobud&ct=p&pstcat=lifestyle&age=0&fr=onesearch&tt=b


So more or less look like the block of the world's first diesel ...

http://www.new4stroke.com/flatblock.jpg
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Perhaps similar optic, despite the fact that already in 1984 the second prototype has demonstrated its outstanding superiority until the day of today can know there was this engine design...

Why: yeah because from the cylinder a hindered outflow is warm to chilling ribs, and collecting carbon deposit on the rotational valve of not a fortune-teller of the long failure-free exploitation. Appropriately the great channel in the rotational valve is also making the top compression ratio impossible, and behind it good effectiveness.

It is my proposal, le unfortunately nobody still for her produces. Please treat everything only as general outlines of the road which one could go.

This my 35 year old collections of new engines: two 2,5 ccm and one 5 ccm
http://www.new4stroke.com/collection.jpg
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and my flathead engine or sidevalve engine (flatty)
The principle of operation and the advantages and disadvantages of the "old" solutions

http://www.new4stroke.com/collection.jpg

Only orientation schematics
http://www.new4stroke.com/dolnozaworowy1.jpg
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Are unfortunatelly drawing - need 3D Drawig- first engine whos impossible drawig in 2D right.

And my vision this engine made orginal part other engines.

Two crankshaft in timing are work exellent.! ( my first prototype)

http://www.new4stroke.com/flatty.jpg
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In this Excell work , are possible changes all colour pole value.

http://www.new4stroke.com/volume.zip  piston possitions

With basic information, maybe someone will do RC prototype ?
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Well after that our mourning have something on the front ..
No. So designing a good amplifier that amplifies much is not simple and easy ..
Here, it's about the type amplifier wind instruments. On this page, the instruments are charts that say the sound intensity can vary over a range frequencies with as much as 6 dB.,. This large difference is due to raw material from which it is made ??instrument, with the same shape.

http://www.acoustics.org/press/133rd/2amu4.html

If we want to get a change of size (volume) using a classic amplifier-loudspeaker system is to get the 6 dB of sound, we need to use as much as 4 times greater electrical power, not, for example, 50 watt, well, up to 200 watts .. Up so much growth in sound, as it turns out, it gives us the right material for the trumpet ..

https://ccrma.stanford.edu/CCRMA/Courses/152/SPL.html#SECTION00037300000000000000

http://www.globalrph.com/master_speaker.htm

Yes, we can easily lose with this energy gain, as we will use the wrong material ....

Now the one of the simplest experiments of physics ..
It is a "kitchen an experiment." We take two tablespoons can be of tea or soup. Take them by their ends and bringing together bellies ... Between tummy wpuszczmy very small stream of water. I bet that you will not be able to maintain a 2 mm gap between them ...
We can also repeat the experiment horizontally, so that the speed of the fluid force is created ..

http://www.new4stroke.com/spoons.jpg
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Well, finally, after a year, I received a cut down water, the elements of Plexiglas to model "Halfrotate Engine 1000 cc volume" ....
He is set to keep on hand, has 100ccm cylinder capacity .. 4 x 25.4 cm ^ 2 surface and 1 cm thick ..

to 1000 ccm this height h = 10 cm ..
to 3000 ccm this height h = 30 cm .......
First impressions: the piston surprisingly easy to change direction when moving your fingers inside the "barrel" .. I think very highly rotary engines will also be
possible to build ..

http://www.new4stroke.com/100ccm.jpg
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For this size Windmill Red Baron, surely the need for such an actuator driving a generator .. You know that place slot, achieved speed by air is three times greater than the wind blowing from the face of this wing?

http://www.new4stroke.com/beton%20zebro.jpg
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http://www.new4stroke.com/Aerzen_Machines_Ltd_GQ_GR_positive_displacement_process_gas_blowers_6.jpg
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http://www.new4stroke.com/speed%20zebro.jpg
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A new family of wing profiles with slot .. NACA FELIKS

http://www.new4stroke.com/twoprofile.jpg
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That can see that the engine of V 8, even a model can not btc made ​​entirely of plastic ... cylinders are lined with sheet metal, because the friction of the plastic can lead to heat and rub .. My model of the engine, will not have such defects, and only at these two bearings 6704z will all reaction postponed



http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mBfYYrv03uyxtZw9yIziyQw.jpg
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Here something similar .. My model will be presented Stephenson Second engine





My model will run on compressed air...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/American_compressed_air_locomotive_used_in_boring_the_Rove_Tunnel_Scientific_American_1916-11-25.jpg
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Here, a model project of The Spoon Red Baron Tractor. Human powered Dedalus, a comprehensive Weight about 100 Kg. It has been proved that, at a power of 0.3 Kw can take place before long flights .. Here my project model can be 100 times lighter, or to his same drive just 300 watts / 100 = 3 watts .. I think that such a model will be able to produce up more, so I called him a Tractor, he can still pull a glider behind him ..

http://www.new4stroke.com/tractor.jpg
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With time on holidays, this Yoda even sent a picture from NASA Simulator, explaining many things ...
Oh yes you can see that the lift force (lift) is three times greater than the resistance (drag) the wings .... The diagram shows that the velocity profile at 25% is almost 3 times higher on average .. The purple line on the graph .. The green line is the wind speed .. Yellow is the speed of the lower side profile .. Wind speed is 15 km / h ... At the start of a profile is almost 50 km / h ... Such profiles should have the Red Baron Windmill (spoon too) ..

http://www.new4stroke.com/velocity%20meter.jpg
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If the speed is increased by three times, then by using dual such a system, we can get about 9 times Increased speeds the wind that blows on the system .. it is worthwhile to do so .. Well of course, because in the formula for Velocity windmill power plays up to the third power, it is possible to obtain power .. no examples listed here .. for 5 m / s .. Windmill with a diameter of 100 meters are 2,000 KW us .. Now if we take a larger representation rate 9 times that or 45 m / s, it is already at 10 meters in diameter windmill get 2,300 KW. ie the same windmill is ten times smaller .. the rest of the structure is virtually immobile and will not be higher than 50 meters .. as follows from theoretical calculations.'s say the length of the building is 100 m, which can fit 10 windmills in it .. theoretically get 23 MW at a wind speed of 5 m / s.
But of course we can use the Windmill Red Baron ..

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If you do not believe my calculations, it can send a check to the CERN ..:rolleyes:

http://www.new4stroke.com/bicycley.jpg
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So on your way I think, why this project Manchattan taken a Pole, who only since the outbreak of war in 1939 was in England .. After all, his English was not too good for sure .. British citizenship also quickly got something to this project could attend ... ... But I know war, accelerates various activities ... But the English did not really even war .. Therefore I am full of admiration .. as a sincere desire ..
Here in the video you can see, the then fairly good the English had ..
Each fought as best he could to make this world a better place .. Sometimes it was not easy ..

http://www.nfb.ca/film/strangest_dream

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In the new year, new designs ..
Air bike, designed in a similar way Hunting N.126.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_H.126


http://www.new4stroke.com/aairbicycle.jpg
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http://www.new4stroke.com/text%20bicycle.jpg
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http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1775321&page=6

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__21146__Alloy_DPS_2_Series_120mm_EDF_unit_with_4_Pole_980kv_Motor_5000watt_12s_.html

http://www.bavariandemon.com/en/products/cortex/

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1775321&page=6

It is the lightest machine to move in the air, which is designed ..

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Hey feliks why dont you start a new thread with all this info? And design a generator wing that can power up RC planes and let them fly for a long time? Wink
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Here drawings like two wings facing each other bellies they give huge wind acceleration and negative pressure which we introduce inside the wings. If the wings will be mounted permanently, with sufficient clearance between them, and may be greater plenty of slots, a big part of the lift force will turn on underpressure which will be inside the wings could create a fairly low pressure and large its quantitative yield .. If so it will already know how to use a vacuum with a good efficiency, for example by the vane pump is running, vacuum-as a motor ... the motor can drive the generators or.... propeller ...

http://www.new4stroke.com/9V.jpg
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And now the strangest thing .. On the screen shots from the simulator to the airfoil published by NASA, pointed red frame so strange two values that can be set on the simulator .. Namely, in terms of drag and lift. and would not have believed in their value, if not the simulator, which included such a serious company like NASA .. In the first image you can see that the drag is set to 21 Newton.Lift has until 244 Newton .... So for the help of a smaller force is a much more powerful .. Something with anything ... this force is with 11.6 times greater than the resistance (drag).

In the second figure also drag is 12 Newtons, and lift 191 Newtons .. ie with 15.9 times greater ..
I think that these simulations are accurate ..
Now, if even half of the value obtained for lift holding strength to produce the drug's effects, it would lift force will be very high ... So we use 85 Newtons of lift to overcome the resistance (drag) 12 Newtons. that is enough for us to capture power efficiency, and conversion to drag about 14%. (eg rotary vane pump + propeller). I think it is really to do with such a small sufficient efficiency .. So the system can move itself by overcoming drag and float in the air At 85 Newtons lift .. I guess that NASA is wrong ...
So says the theory .....

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Thanks Desmo of reminding us of the man who he liked the various interesting things to do ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeroVironment

This V8 Fireworks do not read my posts carefully and do not know that the inside of the wings is ... nothing ..
 
Well it looks like jeszce wing in cross-section, ie Naca Felix. and this is the name of the family that founded and requires determine what gaps, gfzie placed on which profiles also those bumps to the network, probably can be hundreds of types ..

http://www.new4stroke.com/airfoil2.jpg
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Here .. I will do my prototype which acts from the top of the second wing multiplied by quantity and quantity received vacuum ..
 
Of course, you should quite carefully chosen angles of attack these wings and the distance between them ....



Then the pair of wings are fastened to the treadmill, instead of oxen to the appropriate spin speed and expected energy ....:hehe:

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Posted Today, 04:22
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My money is on the oxen.. /quote
 
Oxen can become sick and will die. Besides then you must have 3 pairs of these oxen after 8 hours of work .. You know how much they eat ?  Not unless you are very rich .. :rolleyes:
 
can be several such pairs of wings with several compartments assemble and put on the ends of the pipes that supersede the broken windmill propeller .. There, at the end of the speed will be about 1 Mach .. Now you are at the disposal of the entire lift (lift) or how to get from the calculation of the efficiency of the above , about 7% of it you'll already have excess energy for 24 hours...
 
of course, each chamber will give others a vacuum, and therefore they must propel the various dimensions of the turbine, but connected on one axis ..

of course the whole family Naca Felix mission to be present. This is only the second descendant ..:rolleyes:
 
then are the chances of get sick of the high efficiency ..
 
The most important thing .. You know that the oxen have yet to clean up? ..:laugh:

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Greetings to all from the Engine Expo 2014 in Novi Detroit ....

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I'm worried, because you will be some news about this new engine somehow obtain. As I wrote above, only 25% of the engines messages may come in handy .. The rest 75% you have to re-learn ..

Here are the materials you can download a PDF of the conference .. I am at the end of the first day, as it was in the schedule

http://www.ukintpress-conferences.com/conf/14exna_conf/index.php

http://www.ukintpress-conferences.com/conf/14exna_conf/download.php?conf_id=152&sess_id=1983&view=drill

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Next video of the Red Baron Windmill prototype "Effect spoons" ... Now, despite the simplicity of the prototype and are not necessarily matched the gap between the wing and the small fan, already takes off at a speed of 25 km / hour or 7 m / sec wind speed. At 40 km / h, the fan spins very quickly., Much better. than in the experiment with a single wing ..



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Here another video. The world's first Aerodynamics effect acting through blowing mouth. After puff heard hitting one wing of the second, and it's a loud ..




The pictures show the device to adjust the distance and angle between the wings
Yet research curiosity. Windmill spins better when opening the other wing is not blocked ..

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Now why I summoned Riccardo..Ricardo developed fairly firebox V-Comet .. Especially in diesel played a significant role - helped make a high speed diesel engine .In my also applied the swirl chamber, knowing about its merits. The eyebrow appearances, this is what you see on the animation, this is not the combustion chamber. It is only the cross section through the center of the engine combustion . At the rear, with the cross-sectional view as seen in the picture, it is a channel connecting the piston "sucking" piston "exhaust". Flows this way the entire load of fuel and air, but it achieves a very high speed, which in the initial attempts resulted in taking ionized air from between the spark plug electrodes and prevented the formation of spark .Only after a magnification of this channel, began to develop a spark. If sweeping spark plug, this place was a diesel injector, it would be very beneficial ,, because after falling into the space above the small pistons with a very high speed, it would be very intense spin and excellent mixing of fuel and air. I think it is possible to build a high speed diesel, well, up to 10 000 RPM. Also on gasoline this spinning is beneficial and Ground your walls on the smallest piston, is probably the smallest of the previously used, and the heat losses are the smallest .Also at such a high speed of rotation of the smallest piston samozapłonów foci formation will be very difficult. Apart from this place, burning virtually runs elsewhere, because the distance between the planes must be greater than two millimeters in height, so that there could arise a flame. In total combustion occurs with forced intensive centrifugation only over a small piston in the cylinder least .. This is the very Riccardo improved swirl chamber, with the movement of loads in one direction and forced mechanically great speed of combustion. Looking only at the same animations, we are not able to notice it all properly. Today on the combustion chamber.

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Here, the film made using the experience to lift air wing. So yes, at the beginning of the film can be seen in the enclosure fan that blows the wind a piece of the wing, cut the stropianu, and nałożonegona these two metal rods that utzrymuja it in a horizontal position and transferred to the balanced Machinery with electronic scales, which shows the size of the wing lift when the wind blows at him with a fan .. size of this force is minimal and barely can observe the movement of machinery. The experience is best several possible KINDS wings of varying thickness profile, which can be changed in a device measuring and watch the size of the lift (which produces leaf vacuum) .. Thanks to this I like the wing of a set of experiments, it turned around and walked to the wing installed on your device . The wind from the fan created between them, comparatively very high vacuum. This vacuum is so huge that in gets called when I wanted to raise above the upper wing, lower, despite a solid metal load measuring machine, also raised very high up. This example shows that the strength of Spoon Effect, is several times greater than the single wing lift force, and thus, it is possible to use the vacuum between them several times larger ....
You see, with my theory, practice works well also..




Here on this simulation, made to explain the effect of ground on which it is about as shown in red, the increase in pressure, which float plane in the vicinity of the land that it represents a lower profile. And it is clear that the intensity of the red color that hypertension is very high and justifies the construction of such aircraft .it strongly an increased pressure in paktyce operates up to 3 meters above the flat surface of the earth
Coincidentally, in this simulation also shows a very intense blue vacuum which interests me, for good performance Windmill Red Baron. can be seen clearly very intense blue color, providing the emerging high-vacuum, which practically see in the video above .. Here are not only rake angles are important, but also the distance between these profiles, as well as setting between the longitudinal profiles, which is not necessarily also be symmetric. Also there is a completely new profile with a gap, certainly will little affect on its size.
After these few facts, I can estimate that the vacuum, with well-chosen all dimensions and angles profiles can be 20 times larger than the negative pressure created by a single profile .. It is a very good message for the Red Baron Windmill




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Such a message regarding my two wings. When you are so positioned, with an angle of about 60 degrees, when you measured the exact speed of 4 m / sec wind from a fan, a small windmill starts at high speed ..
four meters per second is 14.4 km / h, it means that we can experiment while riding a bicycle ....

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Quote from: jetman150;11374847
Can you use it to sipe out wind from pressure areas?  Say where there is interference, or where you might be able to use low pressure to create differentials for benefit?

So somehow luckily it happened, that we have such animations ... I did not have to do a lot of research

[YT]z1QOp_9IWLc[/YT]


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The wings are slots having a height of 2 mm and a length of 600 mm. or surface fissures through which you get negative pressure to the inside wing is 1200 mm ^ 2. Jarobiac the first model of this wing, I wanted to somehow very simple and cheap execute it. To derive this vacuum, I used a disposable syringe of 20 cc. It inside diameter of 22 mm .. or its surface, is 380 mm ^ 2. As you can see this is the narrowest section, which has to overcome the aerodynamic resistance of the vacuum. This section is very unfavorable, because it is up to 1200/380 = 3.15 lower than the inlet gap .. He should be at least equal to the area of ??the gap, or three such tubing from a syringe .And we have only one wing. Despite this, the fan, which is for the help transition to a higher diameters, ie D = 36 mm or 1017 mm surfaces ^ 2 ie more than two times greater than the tube Inlet, rotates, already at 4 m / sec ..and I think that this it is all very good, despite the primitive prototype, but the first on .. But it proved that way then you should follow..

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In 1969 I started my professional work of a sound engineer and music electronics with such a team, "Dzamble" which sang Andrzej Zaucha .... took a wonderful three years ..



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So once again we return to the thermodynamic efficiency new4stroke .. Here the hearing of the efficiency of the charts made for the traditional engine.
https://www.mhi.co.jp/technology/review/pdf/e451/e451021.pdf

You can see on the chart with the highest efficiency is low speed engine sea, which is 47%.
My engine as reported above, draws about 360 cc more than the old conventional engine, which did a prototype or 600 ccm ... But this extra volume displacement, is implemented by the system of pistons which rotate two times slower, ie, the force of inertia are four times smaller, because they are dependent upon the square of the rotation. that is, we can just to count the inertial forces relative to the sucked air further. 360 ccm divided by four is going to give us 90 cc. These 90 ccm going to beat the additional forces of inertia (ie a total of friction). But now we have a net profit of 360 ccm minus 90 cc = 270 cc. It is pure extra profit aspirated air, without any mechanical losses already on its construction .. that is entirely theoretical operational efficiency engine so it looks .. traditional engine of 600 cc is 47%, ie 12, 76 ccm is 1% plus an additional 270 cc, which is 270 divided by 12,76 = 21% additional efficiency .. So the total increase the efficiency regarding displacement capacity should be at 47 +21 = 68%. additionally, we can still make a profit energy by stopping propelling Similar systems poppet valves and springs which will have at least the 7% efficiency more .. So, the total physical ability of such an engine 68% + 7% = ~ 75%  .

ie it is to increase efficiency, which can not be subject to discussion.

If we add all the above mentioned advantages, no such low temperature in the combustion chamber, the combustion speed, and more, which can contribute to higher efficiency even further by around 5% this will give us the final number of efficiency of up to 80% .....
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Dear Andrew

Extremely impressive, couple of thoughts

1. I see you are tapping the Adverse pressure gradient, Boundary Layer Control (Sdova Progranchinova Sloya or whatever as it was called in Russian) of suction and blowing existed since post WWII. You know that. But the problem of tapping the air from separation or near separation points are
  
    (a) The rear stagnation point climbs up on the wing, which means this happiness cannot last forever. there will pulsation of the pressure tapped

     (b) Twisting moment of the wing will be high, which means the wing support hub has to be strong and the aerofoil itself needs to be made incorporating aeroelastic tailoring

By no means i am saying it is not a viable concept, it is very viable, renewable and has the potential for further research

I must place on record your good work and passion for the concept (and music of course) Thumbs Up

please read http://enu.kz/repository/2010/AIAA-2010-1007.pdf


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Rotary engines today have very high efficiency because of not being a reciprocating motion

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I wouldn't put too much money on nasa's Foilsim, ver-1 on Joukowsky aerofoil transformation had little bit of my contribution, for starters, transition and separation point is not depicted in Foilsim, whereas for you application i believe it is crucial

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Thank you for the very useful repository rcpilotacro  Bow


Windmills are good, but you need a wind to their work ...
But here the way we can, even in a closed room, well, for instance in the basement of the house, "produce wind" .. Just, the Starting a device, manually, to the speed of 18 m / sec..To are few, it is 1 turn per second.
I've been to all these wings Windmill Red Baron, will operate the wind, at the speed of 18 m / sec ..
If we consider, in simulator NASA and the effect of "spoon" is theoretically You will receive an strength of resistance to "lift force" (vacuum). and is about 15 times less ..
So the resistance force, it is only around 6% received "lift force"
I think that even with a very negligent and mismanagement execution of such a machine, it will propel herself after the first start-up .. And we should still get some electricity .. Case, jet just how much ..

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Vane drive:

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http://www.new4stroke.com/treadmill.mp4

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We must take care to harmful aerodynamic resistances as low as possible ..
Because, after all, and two revolutions per second can turn the wings .. It is 120 km / h .. Pretty on the wind.
This cover should be good.

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Can of some use ..

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If the vacuum looks like the animation spoon wings, it is seen that it has a range before the profile wings. Perhaps the the vacuum will suck the new air between the wings and hence a marked decrease their frontal resistance ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1QOp_9IWLc&feature=youtu.be


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Once upon a time there was no internet .. Even with the video was difficult .. only movies .. I have survived such films showing such beautiful cars with large wings .. I once suggested that such a wing but the bulge facing down ..but not all of it like .. it turned out that such huge wings were already in use .. Now can a wing of such large dimensions but the double - spoon effect .. interesting how many vacuum that could, if NACA-profile Felix apply any .. maybe above a certain speed .. .....

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Yesterday marked the 70th anniversary of explosion atomic bomb in Nagasaki. the first theoretical founder Joseph Rotblat it was ..

https://www.wagingpeace.org/tag/joseph-rotblat/

quoted below what was his attitude to scientific discoveries:

"Hind al. [16] pointed out that the unpredictability switched
petent research makes such a project
difficult, if at all possible. But such a project
of it becomes meaningful if based on ethical principles.
Rotblat was of the opinion that the foundations of ethics should form
part of the training of all scientists. He wanted,
that universities have adopted some sort of cited above
oaths, and to students of natural filed
such a vow when finish their studies, and listened to lectures
on the ethical aspects of science. Relying on his conscience
and the good will of individual scientists not in itself
It will be sufficient, since the units are often unreliable.
Therefore called for the establishment of a number of ethics committees,
which might consider science projects that may affect
human life, some kind of medical committees
ethical. Consent ethics of such a committee would be required
for funding a particular direction of research.
In later life, Rotblat opposed
research conducted in secret, which is often
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that new knowledge to be shared. He moved a problem
associated with the commercialization of research, since many studies
carried out in universities were funded
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He also began to hate the patenting of results
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First it publishes, often gets awards and honors.
These views Rotblat that come with early stages
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because competition, secrecy
and commercialization are part of learning. He simply wanted
resist these pressures "

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Here this car..

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Quote from: Thepanzerfuhrer;32937258
If I employed this wing technique on say a convertible mustang, how much reduction could I expect in my corrected et?

for it is not such a simple thing .. My drawing is only a theory, and even to good its use probably still need many experiences .. It's like a first flight .. Here we see that one of the first aircraft was driven by the wheel to become independent by the wind .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Whitehead
Now that the simulator airfoil from NASA perfectly we can see that even minimal changes in some parameters, the cause, the whole project can not go wrong .. You can discern that the value of lifting force to the resistance can take very extreme value. THEREFORE should be chosen carefully all the values. RELATIONSHIP TO RESISTANCE to the lift of WAS AS 1: 10 ..
For the time being we do not have a simulator to "spoon effect", the distance and angle of attack of wings .. But we can assume based on experience, that it will have a value, after careful about choosing the least 3 times larger than the two single wing, that is, if we simulator one wing lift 37 pounds is two give us 74 pounds .. multiply it by spoon effect. that is, times 3, which gives us 222 pounds of force "propellants", in relation to the resistance, which is 7.4 pounds ... So theoretical gain is about 30 times .. Now, from our skills and experience will depend on how much practically with the profit we will they could utilize to drive a car .. it is a very big number, and even if almost ten times we reduce it, it will be us coefficient 3, for a clean drive a car .. so it all depends on how it practically execute ..

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Here the newest model of the wind my car .. Only cosmetic changes on the outside .. Smiley

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But inside the revolution ..
I present two screenshots of the simulator NASA airfoil and it is clear that at different angle of attack with a symmetrical profile, receive different values ??of lift .. From negative to positive .. or 160 KG positive, or 160 kg (320 lbs) negative (downward pushing sash) when changing the angle of attack of 30 degrees .. and dimensions of the wings 2, 5 meters square at a speed of 100 km / h (60 miles)

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Well, this wing of their forces can drive the crankshaft directly ..
Here, the animation .. The angle of attack of the wing can change either electrically or mechanically (cam) There is no need for this high energy ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evC5y0wgOVM&feature=youtu.be

Well needless to say that such a system also can work at creating their own wind ... ..

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Or maybe a two-wheel car would do ... There's no need for an differential and anything .. see the Segway
There is no steering wheel, and what's the return .. because let's say on wheels 1.5 meters in diameter ... for every trimmer will come ..

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Such a Segway with a comfortable seat and visor, it could be called Feliks Car

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Or maybe a two-wheel car would do ... There's no need for an differential and anything .. see the Segway
There is no steering wheel, and what's the return .. because let's say on wheels 1.5 meters in diameter ... for every trimmer will come ..

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Such a Segway with a comfortable seat and visor, it could be called Feliks Car

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So I have to thank that good people brought me to the ground with my Segway Car Felix ... I of course have invented it completely unmistakably, never seen such a solution .. But I was provided with my much earlier (2011) professional Segway rules here a few photos.

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We'll be back in time a bit, for the first project ...

Here with a sketched diagram in cylinders. the basic standard norm poped by the timing.
You can see a huge difference in capacity volume and its asymmetry ..
Adding well-done gasodynamic phenomena, the volume of one cylinder can even be 700 ccm of really sucked air, with a basic piston of 300 ccm.
Well, it's a little not  surprising to receive this 200 hp at 5000 rpm with 1 liter of basic capacity ..

http://www.new4stroke.com/volume1.jpg
Any real world application for this 4 Stroke?


But of course I understand that my experience and knowledge is not needed for anyone ... You can start from the very beginning and ... lose a few years to get what I already know ...

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Human Nature is greed oriented. Without monetary reward many bright minds will not be motivated to take up research

Many enlightened minds can rise beyond serial Human Nature, and they approach the matter differently. Of course, they also need to be rented and have to live in and out of the future, and this should be done ... this is not tantamount to greed
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Well, here is the way to create a vacuum - different in my Red Baron Windmill ... but now the first Newcomen steam engine called atmospheric, has an inaccurate name .Because actually it is a vacuum-driven engine, which gives condensed water vapor underneath the piston. In my case, this underpressure - it receives differently, from the wings put up in the wind and brought on to entrust the earth through a pipe with a large cross-section. And on the surface of the earth such a motor with pistons driving generators .. It is the most effective way, because virtually thanks to good piston sealing,  vacuum  we will not lose any losses .. thanks to this the efficiency will be high and no moving element can be seen in principle, except the rotating axis of the generator ... ..
That is why it is worth knowing the history of technology, because it contributes to the creation of new inventions.
here more about this Newcomen engine. , which may be useful to my Windmill Red Baron ... and we will have an efficient motor with a piston seal class, used to produce electricity from the wind ...
Well, it is definitely not a heat engine .. so talking about temperatures is pointless.:smokin: Salute

https://www.new4stroke.com/9V.jpg
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http://www.technology.niagarac.on.ca/people/mcsele/interest/the-newcomen-steam-engine/?fbclid=IwAR24u_RXwjnc2zUz8BrFENTdJNOb_NZMxssszzy7sxo8sraB8lXIj_bbyGg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomen_atmospheric_engine


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