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Bought these Engines from RC Dhamaka
  First Review GT9

NGH GT9 (http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=58_61&products_id=888) (http://www.nghengine.com/show.asp?id=9)

Dimensions (http://www.nghengine.com/show.asp?id=9#)
Manual (http://www.nghengine.com/downfile/20111219161840.pdf)

UnBoxing

1. Very Neatly Packed, Smells petrol, presumably, test run
2. Contents
    (a) Engine with a NGH Carb
    (b) Fuel Delivery Sysem
    (c) Electronic Ignition Unit
    (d) Black , Cool Looking Muffler
    (f)  1/4 X32 Spark Plug (Same dimensions as the Glow Plug)
    (g)  Owners Manual
    (h)  Required Allan Keys & Few Decal Stickers


PS
Please Note the Carb on the GT9 is China Made Carb with a separate Fuel Delivery system, Whereas GT17 has a Walbro Carb. Advantage of Fuel delivery system is that it gives you flexibility of CG matching by keeping fuel delivery system within 85 cms of engine anywhere.

Quick !! run it and tell us how it goes !!

what is the wt ?

Great news Augustine {:)}. Looking forward to your erudite opinion!  :bow:

Wonderful buy WingCO.  {:)}......few questions.
a) What size of model it suits?
b) Apart from fuel what all advantages you see in it ?
c) What is the quivalant engine in Nitro .46, .52 or bigger ?
d) How easy to hand start it ? or we need a starter always!

I am also waiting for your review here in Pune Gusty.  ;D

looking at the carb assembly  in your pic...! wont the prop hit the needle..?? or is  it not in place yet...! doesn't look like it is in place compared  to the other pics on their  site.

In order to ensure that carb is not damaged in transit, many mfrs do not tighten the carb spigot into crank case throat. User needs to do that. Looks like exactly that situation, and if it is it is good. 

Augestiv when will u post review for ngh gt9 9cc engine?

here is the comparison of weight
JBA 46 with everything, NGH 9CC with everything, NGH minus the engine

Warming up!!! Good, the interesting parts should start soon!

I am yet to figure our how to fix the pulse pressure operated fuel pump within
 8.5 cms from the engine. (Or go the Glow engine way of bypassing the pump completely). anyways here is it, mounted onto my Warbird, Supermarine Spitfire

Gusty bhai, eagerly waiting to hear it Roar!!!.. I was about to order one from their site (which was BK order that time), saw your thread about it and decided to wait till you test and certify ;) Hope you would find some time to play with it!

got to wait, minor glitches, in touch with OEM.

Unlike a normal Gas engine this one has a Glow type Carb and a Pulse Pressure operated Diaphragmatic pump. Now the OEM picture is as shown below however he pump is not as shown in the OEM picture, pipe lines connections are as i have indicated below

The had a replacement pump. First pump did not work as desired (Repairing a Diaphragmatic pump is no big deal, i am yet to open up and repair it). method followed to start is as follows:-

1. Connected it and reduced the length of the pipe from 85mm to about 40 mm,
2. dry cranked it (Without spark), allowed fuel to come in
3. connected the spark and on the fourth flick she came to life. (Oh! the sound of a Gas Engine)

Few issues that needs to be borne in mind

(a) Needless to say you need to use regular pipe meant for Gas (petrol) engine. Get the one with lesser innner dia, even scooty fuel pipe would do, be sure to wirelock (can put a clip too, but even in real aeroplane we believe in wirelock more than clips, in fact there are no clips in a fighter it is all wirelocks) both ends as i have done. (I used 5/32 I.D. Tygon Dubro tubing, had very little left of it  :( )

(b) Idle throttle open is 3-4 mm

(c) rich cut at full throttle is 2.8 turns and lean cut is .65 turns. ideal is (1/8 turn richer than peak RPM) is 1.5 turn

(d) Keep in mind i am at 7000 feet elevation, at the time of testing outside temp was close to Zero. at plains and at higher temp there will be variation, be advised.

(e) She literally sniffs fuel, fuel consumption is so less. for the same amount of Nitro Fuel this engine would give you comfortably give you 1.5-2 times the flying time.

My recommendation is "Go For it"

PS
As and when it is available (there are 4 x GT9's here in Shillong itself, Karthik sold out before unboxing i heard). Watch this space for the flying review of the Spit with GT9

Thats great news Gusty Bhai!  {:)} Thanks for the headsup and will wait for the flight report  ;D

Especially a well designed and well tuned engine. It was Music to hear that day. Oh boy what response to the Throttle input even at such near zero temperatures.

Definitely an excellent buy. Very Happy with it.

 {:)} {:)} {:)} {:)}

mmp
it doesn't matter though , the pump we received in India has outlets as shown in my image, all three nipples are 90 deg to each other, in my aeroplane i cant mount the pump as shown in your image, there is no place, moreover there is no mount supplied as indicated in your image you will have to make one yourself

Received my first pair of this gas engines yesterday  {:)}  {:)}. Waiting for my gas fuel pipe so to start with a scratch built.

Hopefully will be witnessing today gusty's maiden of his spitfire on this gas engine.

Hi augustinev,

Have you tried on ur spitfire?
Eargerly waiting for your comments  ;D ;D ;D

the second pump requires some fine tuning too, i think it is to do with the Diaphragm pressure adjusted form the front screw, sandy and i spent 2 hrs in this biting cold , start was good, wasn't holding due reasons i am yet to figure out, give me a week more, (Of for a course of some sorts)

Gusty Bhai, tell us the good news  (:|~

Looks very close to the engines, car maker Hpi shown at Nuremberg. Could be possibly based on this. That was a 8cc (.50).

Good going... waiting for the maiden (:|~

Hello

What about the flying test of the engine?

Ground run of  this engine was good, it was flown on the spitfire,aeroplane was way too nose heavy, she got airborne and i was tending to loose elevator authority, therefore landed back.

Final Thoughts on the Review

All your woes of finding methanol , castor , nitro is over, unleaded petrol and 2t oil and you are good to go.

(a) Good torque, 10,700 high , 2700 low, spark plug exists therefore no fear of cut
(b) tuning requires patience, points to bear in mind is let the engine warm up before attempting tuning, 1/16 of a turn at one time, after turning operate throttle and now check the RPM
(c) It has a Meth engine type tuning
(d) It is slightly rich at idle
(e) engine acceleration and deceleration is shade faster than meth engine, meaning good for 3D
(f) Cowls better than 2 stroke meth

a must buy :)

for the question in the video the answer is way too nose heavy ran out of elevator authority, phoenix CG suggestion sucks

 {:)} Congrats Gusty Bhai !!!  :salute: and Thanks for taking the pain to tame that little gasser and providing feedback/review  :hatsoff:

thanks Sam it is a good engine ! Thanks Karthik and Sanjeev (Happy birthday too)

This fellow did not seem to have used the supplied fuel pump. wonder how he managed fuel system?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzU-VI5RcSE&feature=g-all-c&context=G24e7ad8FAAAAAAAAOAA

Gusty Bhai, If I am to buy from Himodels ( http://www.himodel.com/engines/NGH_9CC_Petrol_Engine_for_Radio_Control_Aeroplane_GT9.html ) , Do I need to order any thing other than the specified item on this link? Is everything required is bundled? (sparkplug, fuel tank (and its size), piping, switch, spinner (and its size) etc.) I am about to order this from them and this being my first IC engine, I request your kind guidance to make sure I dont miss any thing. This page ( http://www.himodel.com/shop_for_parts.php?sku=NGHGT9 ) has the accessories listed for this little wonder and kindly point to me if I need to order any thing along with the engine  :help:

Me being a  complete electric since beginning, has no clue about the IC setup for planes  :banghead: I have a SPAD scale 3D design in my mind since some time. I intend to use this for my experimental SPAD which will be a 52" wingspan.

One of the videos of the net which I liked the best was this at 2mtrs wing span and 5 kgs some gracefull flying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWNYSeM3ZSY&feature=related

@ Samil You should get a good fuel pipe petrol with inner dia of 2.5 mm only. HK has a silicon 2.5mm gas/glow pipe. very good local replacement which I found was a petrol pipe which goes by name 2T pipe in two wheelers markets, though rarely found since 2 stroke two wheelers are fast vanishing.

You would require a good gas tank of about 250cc with gas bunk, Spinner, Prop 10*6-12*6, Engine mount Size 52, Battery pack 4.8V preferably, 2T oil.

Connected equipments Starter, fuel caddy with pump.

fuel clunk be big and heavy, as the Gas pipes aren't very flexible it doesn't fall well inside the tank, make sure to build your tank properly, place the pump correctly, this one is a good clunk (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=20593), have this spark plugs in spare(http://www.himodel.com/engines/Rcexl_Glow_1_4_-32_Spark_Plug.html), rest of the accessories are not required as of now,

Thanks a lot Dear Gusty Bhai and Sundaram Bhai! That was quick :D

I have placed the order with both your guidelines in-mind and its under confirmation from their end now. The items I ordered are as below. The clunk at HK is in BK.

NGHGT9      NGH 9CC Petrol Engine for Radio Control Aeroplane GT9         
100-64      Ф3xD12.9xH26mm Fuel Tank Clunks (2pcs)         
ABFCFF      Ф2 Anti-bubble Fuel Tank Clunk/Fuel Filter         
1-4-32      Rcexl Glow 1/4 -32 Spark Plug         
GSSTD5YL      D4xd2.5 Silicon Fuel Tube for Gasoline Engine 2 meters (Yellow)         
05-103A      240cc Fuel Tank - Square         
04-503      Medium 50×80 mm Adjustable Engine Mounts 

I have both 10x6 and 12x6 props, didn't know the size for the spinner  :( so leaving that for later. Once received ( fingers crossed as customs is stricter now a days), will try it on a SPAD trainer first before mounting on my experimental SPAD. Once again thank you so much for your quick helping hand  :bow:

2 inch spinner would do, get yourself  a spinner or else starting will be a pain initially, after tuning well she can hand start easily. i hope you have a starter, Sullivan Dynatron is the best

Sandy
It is not the same engine, could be a prototype
(a) it doesnt have the pulse pressure line outlet from the engine
(b) It has a walbro type pump with a Glow type tuning system
(c) his fuel tank kept below is under pressure evident by (1) Closed mouth of the fuel tank (2) No bubbles in the Fuel Line (3) for a pump to suck fuel so high will be difficult (d) some kind of white pipe line is seen in one frame near the fuel tank, could be  pressure line to the tank

Elementary Dr Watson !! :giggle:  !! elementary

Thanks Gusty Bhai. Will add a spinner :) Though I dont have a starter, other fellow flyers have them and I could use their help to get it running.

 @Dr watsons photo
 :giggle: Gusty kya aane wale budaape mein bhi meri class lene ka iradha hai kya? :giggle:

I think this new Charm for smoking a pipe is rubbing on to you at forty plus  :giggle:

1. Has the engine been flown satisfactorily on a plane yet?

2. I have read in the RCG forum that it is very important to have the spark plug cap fixed tight so as to avoid radio interference.
3.Augustine sir, Have you changed your sign in name from Augustinenv to rcpilotacro
regards
Avijit

1. Has the engine been flown satisfactorily on a plane yet? yes! very much.

2. I have read in the RCG forum that it is very important to have the spark plug cap fixed tight so as to avoid radio interference. that is true for all gas engines,

3.Have you changed your sign in name from Augustinenv to rcpilotacro. didn't like it a bit. what to do. :banghead:

We got this engine too from RCD, and need a little help here  :help: I hope rcpilotacro might help us as our location altitude is almost the same.
1. Engine start good.(1.5 HS needle open but need to open throttle to 1/2 )
2. After full throttle, need to open HS needle to about 2 -2.5 to achieve high RPM (Not so smooth)
3. While closing Throttle to around half (1/2) fuel seemed Too Rich  and engine becomes unstable.

Other way round
1. when closing HS needle to around .5 or less RPM becomes high and and was able to close throttle at 1/3 happly
2. But when open Throttle at 1/2 on this settings engine dies too lean

Where did we go wrong Please help. :help:

i dont know about this engine... or any petrol engine to be specific... but in case this happens with a  nitro... we adjust the lower end needle..

adjust the top end for max RPM
close throttle slowly
if rich close lower end needle
if lean open  lower end needle....


any one with experience in GASSERs may be able to correct if this is same SOP for GAS

I would suggest you to go through following link and set it up accordingly.

http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427

For Gusty and Sandy - (a) Has Gusty taken to smoking a pipe? If so, since when? What tobacco? (Are we supposed to discuss this here? Statutory warning states "Cigarette Smoking is injurious to your health" now rectified to "Smoking kills". That aside, in today's polluted world - 'Breathing kills'.  :giggle:

Open to all (b) Quiz question - In which of Sherlock Holmes stories does the famous detective utter these words, verbatim, for the first time, "Elementary my dear Watson"? No prizes for this, sorry.

VC sir thats from "the  crooked man...!" big time fan of sherlock holmes

i still did not get the link here...may be i was not suppose to...  :giggle:

Zonuna this engine is slightly sensitive to altitude, like vish said, both rich and lean needle as well the pump needs to be adjusted. best solution for you will be bring it over to shillong in your next trip and will tune it for you (Can meet you too ;D)

VC
identify this movie "..what have you people been smoking out there, it is just a f**in tree"

Thanks Gusty, I have tuned 50cc successfully before, but this carb is like a glow carb, I just wanted to know that on an idle speed, is it ok to have a throttle open at around half ?

Come on Gusty, would have missed this (at least warn me in advance  :giggle:) - AVATAR, of course!

Aerovishwa - you fell for it! Sherlock Holmes NEVER EVER uttered these words, "Elementary, my dear Watson", in any of his adventures / stories.  ;D

may be i did...!  but i  recall the quotes in the  book...!

just some more info....

After Heavy research on this Engine have been able to master the system by striping open both the Carb as well as the fuel pump system. The functioning of the engine's Carb and pump is same as a walbro carb. only the fuel pumping stage and the HS LS needle and venturi has been separated. After a lot of permutation combination have been able to run it smooth with both with Fuel pump system as well as without fuel pump system using exhaust pressure fuel tank method.

Firstly Unlike a glow HS needle this has a blunt HS needle which is by design required to be completely out of the fuel vent after Half throttle open. At full open Throttle you need to have a clear gap between them of 1-1.8 mm. please refer manual posted below. This is very essential for smooth transition from Low RPM to High RPM. This is likely to disturbed when you tamper with the Low speed setting at the HS needle side.

Unlike what it has been shown in the manual it was supplied with, the low speed setting is inside the throttle arm. not on the side of HS needle. The screw on the HS needle side is moving the fuel vent fwd and back, however it is set in place by OEM with thread lock. please do not disturb this as this is likely to affect the full open gap between the vent and the needle i.e. 1-1.8 mm.Adjust LS setting only from the throttle arm side. you should not be required to disturb it more than a turn.

Please refer second page of manual here http://www.himodel.com/manual/GT9_Installation_and_running-2.pdf Idle throttle open position is 1/3.

Oil to Fuel ratio is 4-5% never run below 4% of Oil i.e. 40 ml of High grade synthetic 2T preferably to a litre of Gas.

After full throttle when closing, at idle it is ok to be slightly rich initially but it leans out eventually within few seconds. It is because of the way the pump is designed with diaphragm and plunger to cut supply on closing.

However if it is perpetually rich at idle. the pump supply is more. which can be set by adjusting the spring tension inside the four screw side of the pump. if it is constantly flooding at high as well a low speeds and steady throttle response at less than one turn of the HS needle then there is foreign particle inside the plunger and not allowing the pump to cut supply at throttle close. It is advisable to use a fine grade fuel filter before the pump to prevent this.

By opening the four screw side of the fuel pump by bending the rocker arm up by fractions of mm you increase supply and by bending it down you decrease supply.

Zonuna Should try bending the rocker arm up in the pump then Full RPM will be in just 1.5 turns of HS needle and steady idle at 1/3 open.

Checks to test the pump functioning.

(a)   You should be able draw air through the outlet side i.e. nipple connected to carb.
(b)   However you should not be able to neither blow air now draw air through the inlet side which is connected to the fuel tank.
(c)   Pulse pressure side connected to crank you should be able to feel the diaphragm move up down when blown and suck air.

Faults

(a)   If you able to blow through the inlet side then there is foreign particle inside plunger please clean it as it will flood engine.
(b)   If you are able to draw air but only with heavy resistance in the outlet then the rocker arm is far too low and needs to be pulled up by half mm as your engine will require you to open HS more than 2 Turn to reach full RPM however will cut rich on close.
(c)   Air mixing in the outlet fuel. leaking Diaphragm/Fuel line touching the engine/exaust. All screws need to be tightened to get good seal. Puncture no rectification. Fuel lines should not touch hot engine parts.
(d)   Inspite of having gap of 1-1.8mm between HS needle blunt end and the fuel vent in the Air inlet, Carb largely dependent on the suction at air vent for fuel supply (symtoms are when you are not able to open the throttle full to reach full RPM at any setting) then there is not pumping action in the pump section. Faults are
       (i)   loose pressure pipe line at the crank.
       (ii)  Deformed rubber valves at the pump.
       Remedies
       For (i) above found normal glow fuel line the best for use at Pulse pressure pipe line. always use metal wire locks at the    
       crank. The heat tends to soften other lines and making the seal in effective.

       For (ii) above some times due to prolonged disuse the Rubber flap valves in the pump section gets deformed or gets stuck with
       the sealing surface with no pumping action. Open the one screw side of the pump and check the flaps valves are free to move
       and are flat and makes good seal with the flat surface.

       Checks : with the four screw side open One screw side sealed when you lightly press the rocker arm you
       should be able to blow through the inlet nipple side and should not be able to draw air at all.

Running the engine on gravity feed by keeping the air vent fuel tank higher than the engine is another method which can be used for running in and bench test though cannot be used on a model for obvious reasons.

One other method of running the engine is by exhaust pressure line pressurizing the fuel tank. Though the mounting holes of the exhaust for a glow engine and this engine are identical and their exhaust are identical I recommend not using the glow exhaust since Exhaust pressure of a glow engine is much much more than what is required for the viscosity of Gas fuel. The engine runs too rich and HS needle has to be closed to just about 1/4 turn to get the required fuel and the engine runs much much hotter due to exhaust pressure.

I had drilled a 2.5 mm hole on the provided exhaust threaded it and fitted it with a standard nipple. put a glow fuel line as the pressure pipe line from the exhaust to fuel tank, as I found it to be the best performer under heat.

The standard nipple on the provide exhaust was found to work well but there is no means to control the pressure to the fuel tank in this method and the residual pressure on the throttle close always tends to flood on sudden throttle close. Only means to control fuel was HS needle. which attained good setting at 1 turns open.

I replaced the standard nipple with the nipple of four way air retract distributor with inner dia of 2mm and replaced to standard glow fuel line to a 2.5mm inner dia glow line. Now the engine was performing well at 1.5 turns of HS needle steady Idle as well as peak RPM at full throttle open.

I would not still recommend it for a model use before I myself testing it on a flying model and for two reasons below.

(a)    Black residue oil tends to flow through the line to fuel tank though in very minute quantity, some times tends to block air flow initially till such time it clears (Same aggravated more due to use of smaller inner dia pressure line). The same when it reaches fuel tank will contaminate the quality of fuel though it should not matter much since you are using small replaceable quantity.

(b)    Initial priming become very difficult since the crank nipple is now open and fuel is not sucked in when you flip with thumb on the air inlet. Now you need to blow the pressure line for initial feed. To get around this problem I had to put a screw with copper washer in place of the crank nipple to get initial priming which worked well (Please use a very very short screw not more than 3.5mm long as it touches the cam inside) , however cannot comment on the long term effect on the engine by the screw.

Use of standard nipple as well as smaller one is good for pressure feed. However I will reserve my recommendation till a model real flight test.

Great detail  {:)} {:)}, Like you mentions, the manual said the LS needle is on the HS needle side, :banghead: That`s where we go wrong. We tampered the setting thinking that it is the LS needle (The manual said).
Is there any way I can back to default settings again. ?

Hi Zonuna to get back to original settings follow these steps

(a) Unscrew the (Manual indicated) LS needle at the HS needle side fully anticlockwise till it stops at end.

(b) Now the throttle arm will not move smoothly in some case. Screw back in about half to one turn clockwise the same (Manual indicated) LS needle. This will make the throttle move smoothly.

(c) Now tighten clockwise completely correct LS Needle inside the throttle arm keeping the throttle fully open..

(d) Now Keeping the throttle open, screw out the LS Needle anticlockwise out of throttle arm, till such time the gap between the blunt end of the LS needle and the fuel vent tip is 1-1.8mm. No means to measure this but visual approximation only.

(e) Now open the HS needle 1.5 turns start the engine and get the Low steady RPM at 1/3 throttle open. Say about 2000-2500 by adjusting the LS Needle. Keep it rich in idle RPM. Dont lean it out too much in idle RPM based on engine response while opening throttle you can lean it marginally.

(f) Now Open throttle full and adjust the throttle for good Peak high speed RPM which might vary based on the Prop you have used. Get HS Needle back 1/4 turn rich and you are good to go.

Thank you, I will try it out and let you know, If still doesn`t  work, will bring it on at Shillong fest for you to check.

Yes Sure

here is this engine being sold at hobbyking, similar pricepoint to that of rcdhamaka less worry buying from rcd

ngh engine (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__28238__NGH_GT9_9cc_Gas_Engine_With_Rcexl_CDI_Ignition.html)

(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/28238(1).jpg)

This engine is certainly not a plug and play.
There are a number of issues with the fuel pump and carb. I have gone thgrough 64 pages( over 1000 posts) in RC universe/groups on this topic. A lot of people have had problems.
I for one managed to get it to run on petrol for about 5 minutes. And i have spent another 10 hours tinkering on it and 25 hours researching.
Finally, i closed the crankcase vent line and put in a glow carb and glow plug and the engine runs well on glow fuel.
May be we only hear about people who have problems, but we do hear about a lot of problems.
And it takes some major tinkering to make the thing work. The fuel pump is not identical in all engines.
The connection to the tank and carb are located differently on differnet fuel pumps. In my carb the opening into which the HS Needle goes is drilled off centre, so the HSN does not close the opening properly.
Maybe it will work with muffler pressure and a glow carb as well.
JUST ENGINES UK does not carry this engine, though they have the other bigger NGH ENGINES. I know they test the engines they sell and offer good support, so maybe this engine did not measure up. (of course, the engines they stock should not determine what we buy)

So be careful before you buy this engine. If it works well, then you are fortunate. If it doesn't, buy a glow carb and fix a glow plug and, fly it on glow (after paying double the price for the engine)

I received mine from Hobbyking last week, expecting problems, got them.
Put the said engine on a testbed with tank and electrical gear etc.  Filled up with 20 to 1, 91 octane petrol and 2 stroke oil.
Had the boys at the club check to se if I had connected everything up OK.
Would'nt start.  Checked fuel and that seemed OK.  Checked spark and that was good.  Tried adjusting all settings and still no go so decided to continue trouble shooting at home and got on with some serious flying.
  I took out the spark plug and reconnected it to the plug lead and took note of when it sparked and whearabouts the piston was at the same time by looking into the plug hole. It was sparking when the piston was at the bottom of its stroke.  I took off the prop and removed the hub which housed the small magnet and rotated it 180deg.  There are only 2 positions for it to go. Reconnected the plug and lead and got the motor to fire.  However so far I've only got it to run for 10 seconds by putting a few drops of fuel into the air intake and applying the starter. I'll keep fiddling and report back.  Meanwhile I'm open to sugestions as to "what next from here"?  Lazza.

i have serious doubt with these ngh junk.. do they even work? i havent seen even 1 working  ..  check out the jc evo engines.. they kicking dle's @ss .. and they are cheaper than hyped dle's.. dont buy engines from HK.. (they dont come with serial no. engraved on them.. )

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJLHpUAQXc (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://)

Unlike most of the days yesterday It was running inconsistent at Full RPM however the engine died mid flight only once When I was doing a vertical unlimited. Luckily I had gained sufficient vertical height by that time to recover and land safely in dead stick. When it did not start for the third takeoff was when I realized the Fuel line to pump pressure was leaking and had given away totally by then.

The engine was stripped yesterday to replace the connecting rod which had also developed play during one of over size prop test runs some time an year back. The engine has once again become tight because of new position of the piston rings I have to break in the engine again now.  ( Yes was surprised to note this Engine has piston rings unlike all glow engines. I wonder what effect in long term for all those guys planing to use this engine on glow fuel by replacing the sparkplug with glowplug)

That is not good to hear. I am sure you would not put a massively oversize prop, and thus would feel this indicates poor material/heat treatment quality

No Sanjay Sir, Play happened an year back when I tried this engine with 12x8 prop and 13.5x4 Prop. It ran well with reduction in RPM but it was only when I changed the Exhaust also with the same props from the provided dustbin type to the muffled Glow Exhaust which had a smaller exhaust opening too in respect to the Dustbin type exhaust to try exhaust pressure line method without the pump, the damage was done in few mins. The engine ran too hot and I had to cut in just few mins but by that time the damage was done. I could always feel the play in the connecting rod while flicking prop from then on. I did not want to disturb it for long as the engine was running just fine. Only it was bit more click Noisy. I had bought the replacement connecting rod and kept it just in case it failed.

Only after the recent tuning in and Break in running for two hours in multiple sets of Nithin's NGH 9CC engine the sound difference became more apparent. His engine came with a very small volume exhaust and it was really loud bursting sound in compared to mine which is more muffled and so the clicking sound also was more apparent.

I was using a modified mounting bracket for the Fuel pump, which had broken yesterday and pump came loose and creating a loose pressure line. Since I was opening every thing to fit the pump and fuel line again, the urge to replace the connecting rod got the better of me.  ;D

Aaah! That explains a lot. Especially constriction of exhaust, with associated heating.

A glow engine has a higher operating temperature, runs at higher RPM (higher calorific value) and a higher BMEP. I feel you will be running the engine under conditions it was not designed for.

Further unlike an ABC or a tapered sleeve and piston of an Glow engine this engine has a piston with oil scrapping rings and does not form a locking compression and kick back like a Glow engine in TDC. Definitely not designed for a glow operation.

I found odd that the piston connecting rod pin does not have a locking clip to prevent it from moving out of the piston therefore the piston pin had in fact carved a vertical trace of marking groove on the outer sleeve of the piston. Though this groove was well below the compression area of TDC, but must surely be adding to the friction of moving parts and reducing efficiency.

On smaller engines the gudgeon pin does not normally have a lock. Maybe there is another problem - the play in the crankshaft bearing is excessive?

My opinion was based on an 0.52 engine's connecting rod which i had replaced for Parambir some time back.

Sir It could also be due to the play which had developed in the connecting rod. Post change of connecting rod there is no play noticed.

Very nice touch down.. loved the idle at the end of the video! :thumbsup:

Thanks Ashok.

Now the engine is running just fine, but not before I had to strip tne engine again to reset the piston rings correctly which i had done wrongly the first time.

The piston ring groove has a very small plunger pin which needs to be exactly at the split ends of the piston ring since the rings have a notch to accomodate the plunger pin. This plunger pin had come under the piston rings making rings very tight  and  I was thinking  it was because of new connecting rod. The plunger is a small pin of 1/2 mm dia and 3mm long in a hole which I believe has a spring inside.  could hardly see it with naked eye for the first time.

Now after correct fit now engine is turning smooth and running just fine.

I think you are the only one who successfully flown with this engine .........

There are many who are using this engine successfully Zonuna. There are whole list of video of guys in Youtube who have flown with this engine.

Guess the connection with NGH and this product. I am absolutely thrilled. ordered four more of these.

O.S. Glow Gas Plug G5 for GGT15

http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1784 (http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1784)
(http://www.rcdhamaka.com/images/osgg5.jpg)

For that mater this is a good product for any glow engine which you want to run on gas. More review and test result to follow.

i wonder how this works - i thought that all petrol engines required a spark plug and associated
ignition/timing circuitry.

if this could be applicable to bikes a it would simplify things a great deal,

efficiency  must be taking a hit.

There is a brand new OS glow gas engine which is on sale which uses this plug in place of spark plug and CDI ignition.  Which is also using crank pulse pressure for fuel feed.
O.S. GGT15 Glow Gas
http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=58_61&products_id=1780 (http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=58_61&products_id=1780)
(http://www.rcdhamaka.com/images/osggt15.jpg)

Exactly as expected when I replaced the sparkplug of NGH with this plug. It was happily firing away without missing a beat even after removing the 1.5volts supply. Will not comment further before full test with this plug.

will that GG plug work on O.S MAX-46AX engine ? (newbie in glow) and assuming it works all one needs is gas with oil ?

The glow gas engine has a fuel pump operating from pulse pressure of crank in addition unlike a normal OS glow engine.

Compression of a Glow Engine's ABC Sleeve and ring-less piston per say is much higher compared to a 2 stroke Gas engine with a ringed piston. Further the viscosity of gas fuel is very less compared to a glow fuel and it needs a fuel pump to regulate the fuel feed and it cannot rely on a exhaust pressure feed entirely like a glow.

I am expecting along with a perry pump operating with the pulse pressure from the crank it can be used with a well bedded glow engine. You need to add a nipple to the crank back plate to tap the pulse pressure to feed the perry pump.

I cannot really comment on how it will perform on a glow engine with tapered sleeve at TDC like APC. May be one can try on a old engine which has already worn out.

Thanks for the explanation sundaram.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kRV9DgU-5Q (http://)

Thats is great Sir, I have a new ngh gt9 that have not used mainly due to its negetive reviews.  I will convert this to glowplug now. Does the glow plug fit directly or any additional fitting required.


It is out of stock now in Rcdhamaka. Will wait until stocks come back,

Thanks
Asutosh

The glow plug fits straight in the plug thread since its same threads as a regular glow.

Most have issues with engine due to the faulty setup of fuel pump and poor quality CDI ignition which came in the initial lots.

High speed full RPM setup should be done once engine becomes warm or else once engine warms up it behaves lean in the same setting done cold. You may have to open half turn or more H'S needle to prevent ignition cutout in WOT.

After using this engine with both CDI Ignition as well as Glow gas engine for quite some time now I have come to conclusion that main issue with this Engine is its Fuel pump. Wonder when NGH is really contemplating on introducing a new Fuel Pump design.

Other than that this engine is pretty much usable. Damn it has an excellent fuel efficiency, runs forever on a 300 ml tank. You just have to get the hang on how to tune the fuel pump or use alternate method to feed fuel. It needs emphasis here that alternate methods to get optimum feed of fuel is equally difficult to tune if not more in comparison to tuning the existing fuel pump.

For all the  >:D >:D >:D fans and for me this engine has still proved to be unreliable for Prop hang.

Please enjoy this Sunday Fight on the Jalandhar Airport of WW vintage airstrip.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7x3hY2wDvU

Upgraded NGH GT09 has been launched. This one has both Carburetor and fuel pump clubbed into one unit of Carburetor like any other Gas engine.

Cost of the entire engine unit with the carb cost same as old engine. But however if you want to buy just the carb it costs half the engine cost.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Carburetor-for-NGH-GT9-GT09-GT-9-Gasoline-Engine/32627990205.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.E3iY4S

(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11iAyPVXXXXXyXXXXq6xXFXXXn/205920023/HTB11iAyPVXXXXXyXXXXq6xXFXXXn.jpg?size=54226&height=667&width=1000&hash=b80651e410c648f5fd8ada22afcd722d)

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NGH-2-stroke-engines-NGH-GT09-9cc-2-stroke-gasoline-engines-petrol-engines-rc-aircraft-rc/32496012309.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.2.nKeeNi&scm=1007.13338.71800.000000000000000&pvid=0b17bb5e-a9ce-4987-b6db-b1e1bedd152d&tpp=1

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how is this just 40$ only (Click for aliexpress link)  (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/free-shipping-NGH-100-original-engines-accessories-09250-NGH-fuel-pump-for-GT9-rc-gasoline-engines/32792973762.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10056_126_10055_10054_302_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10051_10106_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10078_10079_10073_10070_10122_10123_10126_6000000_10124,searchweb201603_2,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_7,single_sort_0_default&btsid=0e1e8231-a63b-4d4b-af3e-305c58fdf212&algo_expid=c2f569e9-7971-451e-876d-2b3056617449-6&algo_pvid=c2f569e9-7971-451e-876d-2b3056617449)

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Gusty there was one available for 27$ too earlier now not seen. This is definitely the latest pump with both inlet and out let in same direction.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GT9-fuel-pump-09250-NGH-single-cylinder-gasoline-engines-fixed-wing-UAV-multi-rotor/32569048082.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.9JWNQ6

But the one posted by me has the pump stage on the carb itself. So no need for a separate pump mounted on a bracket.

That's cool buying one

Manual New Model Engine

(http://www.rcindia.org/fuel-and-engines/review-ngh-engines-gt9-(9-07-cc)/?action=dlattach;attach=728833;image)