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Title: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on March 18, 2014, 01:14:12 PM
Dear all,

To take my flying skills at some advance level, I decided to build a low wing trainer and i picked the Carl Goldberg Tiger 2.

Wing Span - 61 Inch

Since , the Long Balsa and Air Craft ply is not available , so I am using locally available carpenter ply ( 2.5 mm Apx)  to build this model.

I need help and support from all members.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on March 18, 2014, 01:17:23 PM
Started the build on 15 Mar Sat, As a first step , only fuse  parts were cutted down in last 3 days holiday. Parts were cutted on Zig Saw.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: sanjayrai55 on March 18, 2014, 01:24:47 PM
Fabulous model! All the best Mohan. Where did you get the plans from?

I once nearly joined Carl Goldberg as Operational Head.....long story


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: sanjayrai55 on March 18, 2014, 01:25:48 PM
Balsa available at RC Bazaar, Balsa & Ply available with Probir Ganguly www.lotushobby.com (http://)


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on March 18, 2014, 01:42:56 PM
thanks sanjay sir. I found the plan on internet, which i have enlarged. Fuse length is near 55 Inch along with rudder , so to avoid joints and strength, i decide to use carpenter ply.

Some more Pics


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on March 18, 2014, 01:46:14 PM
as a next step , i removed the ply from formers.


Title: Re:
Post by: sanjayrai55 on March 18, 2014, 01:48:17 PM
Just keep the weight including engine at less than 2.5 kg


Title: Re:
Post by: sanjayrai55 on March 18, 2014, 01:49:44 PM
And please make the wing from balsa or your weight will go overboard


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on March 18, 2014, 03:18:18 PM
Yes sir, definitely, rest of construction will be of balsa only.

i will try and ask suggestions from members to keep minimum weight.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on March 24, 2014, 10:53:54 AM
Parallel I have started  Rudder and stabilizer and using 6 mm Balsa.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on March 28, 2014, 10:22:59 AM
Completed Rudder and Stabilizer.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: manojswizera on March 28, 2014, 02:47:36 PM
Tiger 2 , geeting it shape Mjet.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on March 28, 2014, 03:25:31 PM
Yes Manoj bhai..


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on April 14, 2014, 01:39:48 PM
Pics of progress

Both half of wing has been completed..


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: gaurang.1972 on April 14, 2014, 02:51:52 PM
excellent mjet and can u post web address where u download plan? please


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: gauravag on April 14, 2014, 05:02:24 PM
All the best for the build. The CG Tiger 40 was one of my favorite planes.. http://www.rcindia.org/rc-people/gaurav-agarwal-from-allahabad-up/msg180358/#msg180358 (http://www.rcindia.org/rc-people/gaurav-agarwal-from-allahabad-up/msg180358/#msg180358)

I built one of a kit , and it was a super flyer !.

You will enjoy this airplane.. I can bet on it.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: kiran rc on April 14, 2014, 05:42:01 PM
Nice model.happy building


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on April 14, 2014, 05:47:48 PM
Thanks Gaurav, Gaurang and Kiran for kind words.

Gaurang- I dont remember the site name, but can send you the plan.

I know that this model is great flyer, but its my first build and all parts have cutted from plans only, so my building skill will affects its flying charecteristics .


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: gaurang.1972 on April 14, 2014, 11:16:03 PM
i was build miss world from plan by pinning method


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on April 22, 2014, 10:43:34 AM
Wing Pics


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on April 22, 2014, 10:51:49 AM
More Pics


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on June 17, 2014, 11:08:17 AM
Hello All,
My Tiger is almost completed and ready for covering. Weight is approximately 2500 Grams with all parts  and without of covering and Spinner. Trying to complete and maiden by this weekend, but I have to build canopy also.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on June 17, 2014, 11:09:49 AM
More Pics..Suggestions are welcome fto reduce some weight of fuse.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Dr. Abhishek Agrawal on June 17, 2014, 12:15:05 PM
Congrats Sir, Best of Luck waiting for maiden {:)} {:)}


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on June 19, 2014, 02:33:25 PM
Pics of Wing.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: girishsarwal on June 19, 2014, 03:43:29 PM
Oh I missed this thread somehow... great work Mohan, look forward to the maiden... all the best


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on June 19, 2014, 03:55:04 PM
Thanks Abhishek and Girish bhai


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: allthatido on June 19, 2014, 05:49:48 PM
Super Mohan Ji..ap to bahut aage nikal gaye. Good to see that :)


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: K K Iyer on June 19, 2014, 06:37:15 PM
Wing looks nice and strong without being heavy.
Before covering you could give it a light rub down with fine sandpaper mounted on a sponge, so that you get a mirror smooth finish on the covering. What will you use? Monokote?
Best wishes.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on June 20, 2014, 12:13:19 PM
Thanks Ankur Bhai - This is my First Balsa Build and your initial guidence to motivate me in this hobby.

Thanks Iyer Sir for kind words - I did some light sanding on wings  ( 400 Grit ) , still it require sanding , pl suggest ? I am using covering from Lotus Hobby ( white and Green ).

Pics of Complete Fuse with Wing. Some small adjustments need to be completed before covering. Pl suggest, If can drill my fuse to reduce significant weight without affecting the strength.

Left TIP is inclined down very minutely; does it affect the flying characteristics?


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: sanjayrai55 on June 20, 2014, 12:17:12 PM
Before drilling the fuse try a mock assembly to see where the CG will fall.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on June 20, 2014, 12:43:07 PM
Sanjay Sir - CG is comming as per plan. 3/4 inch from leading edge.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: sanjayrai55 on June 20, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
Then don't do anything!

3/4"from the LE seems odd BTW. Should be around the spar I would have thought


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: iwincar on June 20, 2014, 12:55:55 PM
Beauty


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on June 20, 2014, 01:14:55 PM
I already checked assy with all parts (with out spinner), so will mind your thought at the time of final assy.

thanks " Iwincar".


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: K K Iyer on June 20, 2014, 03:55:42 PM
@mjet
1. As Rai saheb says, CG at 3/4" from LE is wrong. Pl recheck manual (available on internet)
tiger2 manual says CG should be between three and a half inches to four and three eighth inches back from LE

2. Even a slight twist in the wing is equal giving a lot of aileron control. If not corrected, will make the model roll to one side on takeoff. Temporarily stick a 1/8 square strip of balsa about 20" long to each wingtip, and see if they are parallel. If not, you will have to steam the twisted wing in steam from a pressure cooker, twist to correct and hold till cool. It will work only for small twist, as these 'D tube' wings are quite rigid.

3. Feel the surface with a finger for imperfections, especially at joints. Sand with the sandpaper attached to a sponge. After steaming (and cooling) final light sanding will be needed, as some fibres will become visible.

BE VERY CAREFUL AS STEAM ON YOUR HANDS CAN BURN THEM BADLY!
Regards.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on June 20, 2014, 08:49:15 PM
Sir, actually wing is ok.but right wing tip is minutely up side.I will post pics.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: K K Iyer on June 20, 2014, 09:41:17 PM
@mjet
Your description is not clear.
'Right wingtip is up side' what does this mean?
At the leading edge or trailing edge?
Please verify that the angle of attack is the same at both wingtips, as suggested earlier.

You didn't say anything about the CG  ???


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on June 21, 2014, 12:16:34 PM
Sir, please see the photographs and suggest for wing Tip.
One month back I checked the CG with all parts and now I am Confused, so can’t tell you about the CG measured at that time , was it ¾ or 3 -3/4 ? You are correct, that CG should be 3-3/4   Apx or Near to Spar, as Sanjay Saheb said.



Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: K K Iyer on June 21, 2014, 12:27:56 PM
If it is slightly bent like dihedral, no problem.
But if it is bent up at the LE, and bent down at the TE, it will be like an aileron. If so, then better to cut off and rebuild the tip. Or have a model with a permanent tendency to roll.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: sanjayrai55 on June 21, 2014, 01:30:56 PM
That wing tip is fine. Don't worry.

CG - if you checked it (and you are an experienced builder) and moved forward, obviously it must have been at 3 3/4", or you would have actioned corrective procedures


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on June 21, 2014, 01:43:47 PM
Ok sir, I will take care and update you and take guidence on CG. Now starting covering.i was worried about wing tip, so covering was on hold.


Title: Re: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: sanjayrai55 on June 21, 2014, 02:12:52 PM
8)


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on July 22, 2014, 10:21:01 AM
All Done, Almost there for the maiden if weather permits..


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on July 22, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
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Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on July 22, 2014, 10:24:54 AM
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Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on July 22, 2014, 10:26:55 AM
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Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: ashok baijal on July 22, 2014, 10:45:30 AM
Splendid - a professional build. Great.  {:)}


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: sundaram on July 22, 2014, 11:16:35 AM
Splendid  {:)} {:)} {:)} {:)}


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: girishsarwal on July 22, 2014, 11:36:17 AM
Fantastic build Mohan. What do you plan the power system as? Glow or Electric?


Title: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: aditya on July 22, 2014, 11:56:53 AM
Nice build .Great finishing . Specially , covering is awesome .


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: wingmanbunty on July 22, 2014, 01:13:14 PM
 :goodjob:


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on July 22, 2014, 03:56:19 PM
Thanks Ashok , Aditya , Sundaram Sir and wingmanbunty for kind words.

Girish Bhai - Thanks for motivating. Planning to put ASP .52 Glow engine.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on July 22, 2014, 04:00:03 PM
Special Thanks to Tanmay ( Bhopal ) to design and decorate this model with Decals .. :hatsoff:



Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: manojswizera on July 22, 2014, 04:06:05 PM
Superb....
Great finishing brother.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: sanjayrai55 on July 22, 2014, 04:43:24 PM
Great  {:)} {:)}

Where did you get the Landing Gear?


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on July 22, 2014, 07:05:03 PM
Thanks Manoj and Sanhay sir.

I could not found low wing landing gear, so used  .46 size    and bend on Gas stove at home (Red Hot) ,than immediately dip into cold water.excess length was cut down.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: maahinberi on July 23, 2014, 11:43:35 AM
That's a beautiful build. Best of luck for the maiden  :thumbsup:
Great job :hatsoff: :hatsoff:


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Dr. Abhishek Agrawal on July 23, 2014, 12:48:57 PM
Congrats Mohan Sir   {:)} {:)} waiting for maiden


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer
Post by: Mjet on September 02, 2014, 11:59:50 AM
Here is the Video of Maiden Flight  of Tiger 40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2rYPpSnG2s&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2rYPpSnG2s#ws)



Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: K K Iyer on September 02, 2014, 12:21:43 PM
Fast and smooth. Very nice. Congrats.
Great landing  {:)}
Lovely airfield too.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: sanjayrai55 on September 02, 2014, 01:18:26 PM
Excellent Mohan. Just simply excellent!!


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Dr. Abhishek Agrawal on September 02, 2014, 01:40:05 PM
Congrats mohan sir   {:)} {:)} :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: manojswizera on September 02, 2014, 02:57:24 PM
Congrats Mohan sir,
Great flying and  beautiful Landing.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: Mjet on September 02, 2014, 04:12:18 PM
Thanks to All for kind words.

"Tanmay" do all maiden for me , so thanks to Tanmay :hatsoff:

Model is actually Tail heavy , so we have added some weight  and bend the landing gear  backward.


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: ashok baijal on September 02, 2014, 05:57:33 PM
 Love it.  (:|~ Great flyer  {:)}


Title: Re: Build Log : Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 Low Wing Trainer for 5th Sweepstakes
Post by: wingmanbunty on September 02, 2014, 06:40:21 PM
So everybody is flying ................