I've been following this since the beginning


MC - you're too judgemental - and I say this without
intending any malice

Anwar, Deepak (B4ggu)
The namescalling was not started by me, read the posts carefully and you would know
It is but obvious that people who do not wish to educated can not be educated>
Maturity et all! I will leave that aside as you can argue only with mature people and I can see this will only lead to 
As for the other forum, the number of posts, and topics tell a different story  

 

We have the right selection of smilies

Anwar, MC (Flyingboxcar),

I agree to this statement; "It is obvious to most people that true knowledge/maturity includes the ability to "accommodate" people with various levels of knowledge, information, understanding and even attitudes."   
We have all done our education at school.
This forum is not here for elocution lessons in english, neither is this forum restricted to english pundits only.

So why are we being criticised and picked on words like "Scratchbuilding" literally....?

Mc (if that is what you like to be called) no malice to you my friend but go back and see how many times you have tried to pick on various quotes.

 We are not here for any english language exams... those were all done and dusted some time ago.

So please excuse us, from your taunts, let us carry on with the RC discussions and please share your knowledge with us instead of criticising our language, litreture and terms.

Lets just enjoy with our BOYZTOYZ...   

LADS, PLEASE VIEW YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.....

Deepak bhai -  This will go in circles   Not worth it, as the thread speaks for itself (and as others have commented).

And I probably should have not said some of the things I said, but there is a limit to the amount of "elitism" people can handle. At least we are openly having such discussions here, unlike other places where everyone has to "condone" the "mature" rule of "everyone has to buy from this one store to seek any RC help" !

I request you to not comment further, so as to not pollute this thread about a beautiful plane any further. 

Sorry guys an error in my previous post.  Please voice your views is what I wanted to say.... So I had to correct it.... I will not be posting any more comments on this thread any more. As they say happy landings guys....
Deepak

We do want to see that model, when Vivek finishes the wings also

Thanks but no thanks!
What I have seen is enough (both the dark and bright side) and I guess many people will never see that much in two lives

No comments just a wish....Smile with me, the world will look happier.

B4ggu  

Others
BTW
I am not alone in my definition of scratch etc.
Have a look at this thread, (the post by William Robinson on the page) the post in particular reproduced from the thread for benifit of all
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_1897646/tm.htm (please go to towards the bottom of page 1 of the thread) and best of all you get to see lot of nice models there too
The best part is to see the replies he gets to his post, are we not all same? Whether few thousand miles apart or not??

Well...

I see a lot of beautiful planes here. Doug, your Pitts is the champ. If it weren't for the large screws in the cockpit view I'd suspect the pictures weren't really a model. It's that good.

But I also see a lot that aren't scratch built.

Ways to get a flying model:

1) RTF. Assembled, go fly.
2) ARF. Already built, you assemble the larger components, go fly.

These first two are relative no-brainers, minimum skills and no building required.

3) Build a purchased kit. Structural components in the box, gather the miscellaneous bits, build, and fly.
4) Build from plans. Gather the structural components and the miscellaneous bits, build, and fly.

These two require much higher skills than a RTF or ARF, but the brain work is already done. There's no real difference between kit and plan built except the convenience of the kits on one hand, and the greater variety available when building from plans on the other.

5) Build from scratch. You decide what to build, how to build it, and what to build it from. Anything less is not scratch building.

So, plan builders, I'm sorry, but that plane is not scratch built.

Bill.
 

Captain - No one here said you are alone or you are wrong.  I was just pointing out that a large marjority (I would say a brutal majority) includes "plan builds using raw materials" in scratch building, including people who have "really been around". You certainly took it the wrong way, and Deepak bhai was caught in the crossfire

Even the responses you pointed out in the thread you mentioned above show how split people are on this.  There are a lot of people who think like the gentleman who posted response #35 in that thread you posted.

My earlier question remains though.  What will I call it if I saw some pictures of a real airplane, measured them out, made a plan from those and them built to that plan ?  It is not my plan, but I did not use any existing plan either

No Comment.....
Just an opinion...ALL IZ WELL that comes out good looking and flies well whether scratchbuilt, trace built, template built, kit built, ARF, ARTF, RTF...
what difference does it make, we will still crash it one day..

As they say happy landings guys....
Deepak

Anwar,
To answer your question,
In aeromodelling if you measured up a real one (either full scale or three view drawings of any size) and from there drew your own plans to whatever scale (unless you are using 1:1 scale and using original designs from mfg (in which case it would become plans build) it would be classified as scratch build.
Yes a brutual majority have thier definitions wrong, but that does not make it right, if you have gone thru the RCU polls majority agreed there too that building from plans was scratch building. But then as I have said earlier, democracy is not always right. If it were, our leadears are absolutely right as a brutual majority of the country's populace has elected them to lead.
All said and done, none of the above still preclude me in trying to propogate the correct terms, although I agree I may be fighting a lossing battle, but will fight on regardless! 

Now can we conclude here endeth the lesson on scratchbuilt. .
Anwar really all the text on MR Foss's thread should be posted on a seperate thread.
All fellow members cannot make a mistake of calling a kitbuilt plane scRAtchBUIlT

What say u MC.
Mr foss was attacked and shot dead in our crossfire.
Shall we revive the guy???......

If the Admin can segregate and put it all in a seperate thread, Mr Foss and all of us would be elated, and would serve to propogate the truth!

I like the smiley thumbs up attitude.... Its much better that way, keep thumbing MC... what is your Raashi... err Name
My name...is not Khan
Deepak:)
 

Parents named me Manish, others call me Capt, some MC, many even MC/BC, but then as the bard had said "what's in a name?"

I am glad that this is all sorted now!!..... I was feeling guilty it being my plane...

Anyhow, I thought people might like to know that it was built from a Chris Foss Kit nearly 10 years ago, is finished in glassfibre cloth/ resin with a paint finish and flies superbly. Totally recommended, albeit low wing aerobat, it is very stable and flies like a trainer at low speed.  Would I replace it in the event of the unthinkable?? absolutely!!  Also the new ARTF Chris Foss WOT4 is worth a definite look. (IMO!!!)

Who says it is all sorted out   And it had nothing to do with your plane.  I guess you were waiting in the wings for the dust to settle

Are there ARF versions of the "Extra Wot" also ?

No comment!!!!

No ARTF for xtra wot as far as I know!!

 

Thanks Mike   Still waiting for an update on the other build (http://www.rcindia.org/gas-glow-nitro-planes/gloster-gamecock-latest-project/).  You mentioned some teaser photos of what is coming up, that would certainly ignite the interest

Yep, have next bit ready to post this weekend!!

Hey Mike,
Nice to hear from you finally... All we guys have been firing at each other using your shoulders...

You have indeed done a superb painting and building job on that kit. If you interested in building, I can post you my tracings and photocopy of instructions on WOT 4.

And Manish,
You sound like a guy who knows his ropes .....You too let me know if you want to build a WOT 4...
but it has to be "scratchbuilt from templates"  lol


Now keep those guns in the holster next time please explain in a simple manner as you have done.....

 

Would love to build a fly a Wot but no time as of now, have quite a horde of classic and rare kits lined up and then there are couple of plans designed by one Mr Whitehead which I would love to build from, let us see when these wishes fructify