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« on: January 17, 2011, 01:03:26 AM »
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Here are the pictures of my first plane being built by sunboard. I have just compleated with the skeleton work of the wing.. I am posting pictures of the wing..

These sheets have density 450-500 kg/m cube which is nearly two-three times that of balsa wood.. I am using these sheets, the reason being, balsa sheets cost approx INR 150-160 for 4"*3' for 2mm. 
Sunboard sheets cost Rs. 60 for 2'*2' sheets(2mm)which weigh 340 grams.
 
The reason for using is  :
1:Its stiffer than balsa(2mm),
2:Easily workable, and forms very strong and quick bond with with each other using pvc adhesives like feviquick, ad flex quick bond, and all-bond.
3:And off course, the price factor. Grin

Wing size 40' functonal, and 44' edge to edge.
The weight of the assembly is 96 gm and is equally stiffer as a more dense balsa wood construction.
The wood used for supporting is Mirandi wood(which is easily available here in lucknow),which i have cut from a long board, .

I have however tried my best to reduce its weight bu cutting off the extra sunpack and forming trusses, but i want your comments and suggestions which may further help me..
I also want suggestions on which material should i use to cover it Head Scratching(however i have decided to use OHP sheets), i dont want to use monokoat, as it costs too much..
I also want to know how much balsa wood construction weigh for the same..
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i will post the pictures of fuselage soon when it gets completed..

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2011, 01:11:59 AM »
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A few more pics,
myself working very desperately Grin
 for weight reduction.. >Cheesy

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2011, 03:02:09 AM »
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Nice building. What is sunboard?
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2011, 05:38:44 AM »
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Nice building

your wing will have almost no torsional strength.

The spars are too thin . the ribs too far apart.

basically it will warp very easily when covering.
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Sunboard is the brand name for PVC foam board.. Usually used in advertising displays and cutouts with banners glued onto them.. Its quite a soft material..
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your wing will have almost no torsional strength.

The spars are too thin . the ribs too far apart.

basically it will warp very easily when covering.
The spars are thin i agree, but what i found that a mirandi wood spar of around 4mm dia is equally or more stronger than 12 mm dia of balsa wood one, and its even heavier than it. though i have not weighed.

thanks for reminding about tortional srength. so what i have decided,To increase the tortional strength, i will provide a further reinforcement in the top portion of the ribs, hence it will have reinforcement at all its peak edges, thus reinforcement bars forming a triangle in its crosssection..

Sir please help me to compare its weight, wrt balsa..
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lots of hard work!!!!! i hope u wil reinforce it wi CF!!!
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 Head Scratching Head Scratching Head Scratching Head Scratching
I dont know how this topic has been moved to electric planes. Angry. I am making it for ASP .25 engine. Which i have ordered from RC Dhamaka.
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what is this new stuff Sunboard Huh?? I am already confused  Huh?  Head Scratching is this sunpack/coro  GrinHuh?
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Yes you are absolutely right.. Its sunpack
Both are commercial names.
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It doesn't look like coro to me. I can't see any flutes or ribs anywhere.
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No, it doesnt have ribs or flutes. Its totally solid.
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This material is not coro or sunpack. It is sunboard(no flutes). I have also seen it in kolkata in signage and printing shops. It is basically foam sheet(like biofoam) covered on both sides by pvc layers; available in different sizes and thicknesses. I was planning to build my first plane out of this but later i found biofoam in kolkata and decided to go with it. Biofoam has the advantage that it is much much lighter than sunboard, otherwise sunboard is absolutely suitable for RC modelling, much stiffer than biofoam. It is just that the weight factor is too much that it can't be neglected unless you don't find biofoam in your city.

This material has already been used by a fellow member for building his plane. I can't find the thread though. But im pretty sure that this was used.
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ya i used it , the drawback is that your plane will break straight away if you crashed(as i did first time) ..........this material is not suitable for building (crash proof) plane.
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good effort and clean finish,Abhay. Just that choice of material could have been better. However, Sunboard is a good replacement for plywood ! You can use for your motor mount, skids, dihedral braces etc.,

Nothing wrong with using it as ribs as you have done, as long as you provide sufficient reinforcement.

As a boy, I have even used dried trunks of Drumstick Tree (the vegetable) - this is very light wood, and if you dry the log right so as to avoid rotting, you'd get ivory like blocks - excellent for static models, nose blocks, wing tips etc., But cutting into sheets is a challenge.

Try it !
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I have also tried drumstick, when i used to make gliders, but they are very weak. i have never tried to cut it into sheets, but what i found that its very light, lighter than balsa i think, but much weaker. Its strength is equivalent to compressed thermocol, but it doesnt have any elasticity, and breaks at little hard knocking. I guess compressed thermocol is better than drumstick, as its quiet elastic.
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abhay - do us a favour pls - tell us the wt per unit area
or density of sunboard - you can do this by measuring
the weight of a piece and then back calculating - then we -
who have not seen sunboard can compare with balsa/coro/thermocol/biopak
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Dear Mr Saikat,
                    Please read my first post of this topic. u will get all the details.
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Yes - sorry - did not read it carefully enough.

Going by your figures - it will not be a good model building material
as its strenght to weight is very poor. you will be better off building
with biopak.

don't let this put you off however - build and fly by all means - we
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finally the wing is compleated..2 days back, but was unable to post pics due to academics pressure.

Let me go step by step:

After the reinforcement, The nose was made using 0.5mm thick paper sheet which is called Ivory sheet.

Making smooth curve was a typical job, which was done successfully by making half cuts..

Finally the nose was made

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The next callenge was covering...

I used a transcluscent plastic sheet( used for covering draughting boards) , instead of monokote, which is nearly 5 times in cost, and equal in strength.

Loss of knowledge, made me stick the sheet directly to the ribs,using adhesive, which was found to be fruitful in gaining further strength, but finally lead to few wrinkles, when the wings were exposed to hot air to get further tension in covering membrane.. As can be seen in pics

Even though, the excitement lead me and my accompanying friend to go on bike at 2 o clock in night on road, to check the lift,  in the chilling cold of winter in central india........And..further  Giggle Giggle we didnt knew the procedure.

We were just trying to get an environment of wind tunnel Grin

Further, the wing fell many times on road at speed of 40 km/h on road, without showing any signs of breakage other than the truss of one side which had two crack developed in. may be because it hit the divider once.
Now i need to cover the sides only...
Please suggest materials

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great effort and innovation.
Real value for money builder and i like your way of thinking out of the box.
The material for the ribs is called FOAM BOARD. It is the white background material onto which vinyl signs are stick to. comes in thicknesses from 2mm to 6mm. I have used the 5 mm one to build part of my field kit.
Has the strength and wieght of ply wood of the same thickness.
good handling properties. Sticks well with cyano. Easy to cut with a hobby knife.
I don't know how well it will be resistant to fuels. May be safer to use on an electric set up.
Or soak a bit of it in fuel for 2-3 hours and see how it behaves. The best time to think of how you plan to power the plane will be before you build the fuselage.

What is the chord and span of your wing? the length breadth and max thickness.? Also what is the weight?
all the best.
As far as covering the wings go, use the thickest quality plastic gift wrapping paper available at you neighbourhood stationary store.Buy the stuff that comes in long rolls and not single sheets. Cost Rs. 10 for 100cm x 90cm sizes.
Stick it with rubber based glue- FEVIBOND not CA. The wrinkles will disappear if you warm the covering with  a hair dryer/ electric iron at low heat.
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is it a good material to build rc boats with??? Huh?
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yes should be good for Rc boats. as it is water proof
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nice build man...nice choosing of materials  Salute
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