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Hi Guys I am new to RC world & starting with heli.
I bought 9053 volitation helicopter, its 3 channel with gyro

Feature list
Full function 3 channel radio control (Left /Right, Forward/Backward, Hover, and Lands)
Real life helicopter styling
3 channel digital proportional control
Built in Gyro for Extra Stability
Unique material withstand crashes
Flies over 100m high
2 powerful 180 main motors + N20 tail motor
Newly designed super strong crashworthy propeller
Altitude and rotor speed control
Flight stabilizing system
Super lightweight airframe
Brake for easy landing
Up to 60m (200 ft) radio control range
Ready To Fly, Easy To Fly
Complete Kit, Ready to Fly (Everything is included and 100% assembled -- only required 8 AA batteries for the radio transmitter to start flying)
 

Specification:

Length: 665mm (26.18 inch)
Main Rotor Diameter: 535mm (21.06 inch)
Battery: 7.4V Lipo battery
Flight Time: 10 minutes
 

Package Include:

Helicopter (100% assembled)
3 Channel Radio Remote Controller
Rechargeable 7.4V Lipo Battery for Helicopter
AC wall battery charger
English Manual
I have been reading the heli forums & have seen many youtube video so I do understand the basics.

This video shows it fly perfectly in hands of experienced fliers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi6YtRTDW-k&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi6YtRTDW-k&feature=player_embedded)


Now I am facing 2 issues which I am sure is due to my inexperience or may be something to do with fine tuning the trim controls.

1. when I start & want to hover the heli keep coming backwards my guess trim needs to be adjusted I tried  adjusting it but seems i am doing it wrong I cant keep it in still position, since as of now I am only learning scooting so I want to hover then go back & front & make a square.

Does the trim need to be adjusted every now & then as per flying condition or is it done once only?

2. The supplied battery & the charger seems to be a slow charger, i charged 4 hrs & it gives me 5 mins of flying time.

Ranjan

Welcome!
I have a 3ch too. Takes 30 mins to charge and fly time of 10 mins. How much did it cost you?
Mine moves fwd :) I recon its due to imbalance so i tried using small weights on the tail - cellotape. Dint work so will try little more weight once its charged.
The trim is only for yaw control ie. to stop the heli from spinning. (atleast in my case)

I have a similar Heli. 3 Ch Co Ax, same size and shape as the Volitation.

First thing first choose a large open space on a still, calm day to fly it.

Give it a good burst and raise it 6 to 7 feet off the ground. Keep your throttle steady, don't let it rise any further. It is important to give it a good burst and raise it high(I learnt that from this forum) because if you don't, and try to be too careful by keeping it low above the ground - you will cause more turbulence and backlash with the wind arising from the ground. This will cause the chopper to behave erratically.

Once she is airborne, she may start to go round and round. Don't worry. Just keep your throttle steady. With your right hand, start clicking the trim button repeatedly. you may have to experiment a bit here and see which side of the click is having more effect. After several clicks, the heli should start to stabilise. Now you need to guide her using the right hand side lever by gently adjusting left or right. In my heli, the forward motion is fine, but reversing causes it to lose height rapidly.

Above all, don't panic! If you do that, you will let go of the throttle and crash the heli. I am still trying to hover steadily for a while and bring the heli down accurately on a 12inch X 12inch landing pad. I am practicing my accuracy as of now.

Once the trim is adjusted, I don't think you will need to fiddle with it again.

To recap my two penny bits : Large open space, zero wind if possible, initial burst to gain 6 feet height, throttle steady (left hand), trim adjustment (right hand), direction adjustment (right hand), smooth flight for a minute, gentle descent to a perfect landing!

Happy flying!

Sujju, Anwar Sahab and all you other Heli Champs - STOP GIGGLING!  ;) I am only trying to help!

30mins to charge??
I would love to get that charging speed, are you using some special charger or the one which is supplied with it in the box?

I will open the front & try to place the weight or alter the position of the battery so it can balance properly. I bought it for 2200/-

VC Thanks
its too windy here in Delhi so I am doing this in a 22x18 feet drawing room all empty.
I am able to raise it to 5-6 feet but by that time it comes back to me & I have to land it else it would crash on me or the wall, hence I posted the question as to why cant it hover where it started.

You have given me some good info I will fine tune the balance & then adjust the trim, now I understand as to why even after adjusting the trim it was still coming back.

30mins to charge??
I would love to get that charging speed, are you using some special charger or the one which is supplied with it in the box?
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mine is a small heli. 22 cm. yours is trex  :) 7.4v so charging time will definately be more. 2200 is a good price. will buy that next as mine is strictly an indoor heli.

where did you buy it from?

I got it from Gaffar market Karol bagh
other shops in Zhandewalan cycle market & lajpat rai market in chandini chowk also have it.

This is the exact model in the box
(http://site.rctoyz.com/Xheli/9053-VolitationHeli-9.jpg)

this is how it looks
(http://site.rctoyz.com/Xheli/9053-VolitationHeli-1.jpg)

Hmmm... itsnot available here in bangalore :(

little brother of the 9053
http://cgi.ebay.in/Branded-New-52cm-Alloy-METAL-3-Channel-RC-Helicopter-/230502615223?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item35ab06c8b7#ht_6573wt_911

VC
as per your suggestions I finally fine tuned the trim & I am now able to hover in the room at 6-8 feet but the heli does not say at 1 place of take off it still moves around to the room  with its tail rotating which indicates my trim still needs some fine tuning or the air turbulence within room is causing this to happen, I will test it outdoor & see if that solves the problem.

To adjust left right I have hard adjustment (a knob) & I also have the trim, as of now I have used the hard adjustment with zero trim.

What I want is that I take off 10 feet then hover keeping the tail pointed to me & practice left & right movements > front & back movements then land at the same spot where I took off.

Watching videos it seems Its too difficult bcoz mine is 3 channel heli & what I want to do would require 4 channel heli can some one confirm please?

You need to adjust the Trimmer wheel to correct this counter rotating tail. Once you've got it at a height of 6 to 7 feet and the tail keeps spinning, start adjusting the Trimmer wheel in either direction. That should take care of it.

What you are trying to do with a 3Ch Co Ax may seem difficult for us beginners, however, for the more experienced Heli Champs in our forum it must be an easy job. I guess we just need to keep practicing.

All the best!

Ok I will try soon your suggestions outdoors,
The battery life of 10 mins (Li-ion 7.4V 1300mAh) & 3 hrs charging is killing me.
I surely need more practice & would need 2 additional batteries.

Most online user reviews say that the supplied charger is a dud & recommend using a balancer.

I think its better if tried outdoors. My little heli gets pushed around indoors so it will be worse in your case.

Yes I thought so but Delhi monsoon windy weather wont let me do it for quite some time, i have been waiting last 3-4 days for a calm day.

I tested further indoors (outdoor is too windy) & found that sticking two 1 rupee coin in front the back movements is corrected, but it also adds weight, so whats better using trim Or counter weight? (full forward trim still not making full correction in my case)

Prateek13 suggested that I open the front & move forward the battery by 1 inch, is that better?

Now at least I can hover it correctly but when I take off the heli lifts off towards its right at 30° which I am not able to correct by left /right trim......do I counter balance on the left side to correct this?

Below is the radio of 9053
should this problem be corrected with hard adjustment knob (at top left L-R)
(http://www.hobby-estore.info/images/double-horse/eh-dh9053-6.jpg)

Are all the sub trims functional (A,B & C)? In that case you have a fairly good functional 3 Ch Tx as compared to mine. In what I have, B & C are dummies. It shouldn't be too difficult to trim a Heli with this Tx.......

Yes out of total 4 trims 3 are functional, but the B as shown in ur image does not.
that's the one below the (on left) throttle is dummy & does not function.

My guess is that B trim as marked by you would be called "roll" & that would require a 4 channel Tx

see the image attached for details

@Ranjan : the weather here is bad too. my 3ch heli got blown away when i placed it on the compound wall while opening the door :D

If the trim B works then you can get rid of the coins and make adjustments using this trim itself. My heli does not have this.
1. Did you try using this trim earlier? did it help or make any diff to the heli movements?
2. Using the trim or moving the battery is definately better as it does not add aditional weight. Any additional weight reduces flight time.
3. Can the 30 deg movement be due to downdraft?

I don't know but, my Heli gave no problems whatsoever in trimming and adjustment. On my Tx I only have the equivalent of 'C' Trimmer. She is quite stable and I am able to achieve a steady hover on a low wind day outdoors. She is not small, at a length of 76 cms. This is what I have:

VC what's the fly and charge time?

rajathv8
Trim B works but trimming it fully to up it still does not fully correct the backward movement hence I used a coin just for testing. I have read many other forums & can confirm that this heli is tail heavy & you need to make some adjustment.

As of now I have got 80% balance & I can hover it but it drifts right when it takes off so minor calibration is still required being a perfectionist I want 100% calibration so I can do what I want & not be in control of what the heli forces me to do.

3. Can the 30 deg movement be due to downdraft?
can you explain it a bit what it means?

hmmm then the best option would be to move the battery as it will solve the problem permanently.

When the blades rotate air is forced down. this air may be forced back at the heli by obctacles on the ground and can cause instability. Eg.. when near a wall the heli tends to get pushed away from the wall. Well this is what i understand, hope others correct me if im wrong.

I will try adjusting the battery now & see if that solves the problem.

As per your explanation it seems that the few things kept in the room are causing irregular air movements that might be the root cause, it should be tested outdoor to be sure but the winds wont let me do it as of now.  :help:

Yeah thats the final decider. I tried flying in my hall but the heli seemed to move on its own. Ten i tried it in a 22ft X 12 ft space without any obstacls and it was much better.

60 mins charge and 7 -10  mins flight. Approximately.

I opened the front & found that the battery cannot be moved forward since the wire is limited & will make it impossible to connect it to charger so as of now I have stuck the 2 coins inside the cover below the battery will try a test flight in the morning & report back the results.

All the best! :thumbsup:

1st test flight this morning & counter balance works perfectly & back / forward trim is now within control, so now I only need to test the right side lift off which I guess I need a counter weight on left side to balance it but before I do this I need to test outdoors to be sure.

Another thing I have noticed that my charging time now is 2 hrs seems that frequent charge discharge of the battery is required to get the best output, so not much to be concerned about the charger as of now, its perfectly fine.

Even if i get extra batteries its a bit of pain to change it by unscrewing the 4 points opening the front then redo it, this might dis balance the trim so its not worth it, I can only buy the next battery when this one runs out completely.

Those who have been using lipo battery can you tell me how long have u been using it , how many charges can it take whats the life cycle of lipo?

Firstly check whether it has a LiPo or not. Most probably it will be a Li Ion battery pack.

Sorry my mistake
its indeed 7.4v Li-ion 1300mAH battery mentioned on the box but many website selling this heli say it uses lipo battery
http://www.xheli.com/9053-volitationheli.html
http://www.toptoyexpress.com/double-horse-9053-volitation-3-channel-metal-helicopter-w-gyro.html

here is the company website but they don't mention the type of the battery fitted.
http://www.dh-toys.com/Eng/ShowProduct.asp?id=59#

@ranjan. Thats bad. So guess you have to make do with the coins. I tried taping a small bolt to the tail and it works wonders. Hovers very well now. The batteries ned a few charge and discharge cycles to give its best. Hope the weather calms down soon. :)

Your & mine case are opposite since yours is front heavy so a little bit of weight at back will correct where as mine is tail heavy hence required 2 coins but now all is well at least I can hover properly.

Yup, now both are fixed. I should try moving the battery, but i dont have the right screwdriver to remove the tiny screws.

I finally took outdoor for testing while air was slow  it hovered perfectly but the right take off still exist, in fact outdoors it toppled to right while taking off so I need a counter weight on left side....................or is there a  way to balance this with trim I guess not.

Then came a gush of wind from nowhere & my God I was frightened like hell as the heli was 20 feet up it just got swayed away 30-40 feet to its right before I could safely land it without crashing.

Need much more experience to handle such sudden wind.

I dont thing its designed to handle anything more than a light breeze Ranjan. And i doubt you can fix that with trim adjustment.
 Do the blades have and dent or something? did you crash earlier? I kinda doubt its because of imbalance. The distance of the body to the right and left from center of gravity is less, so to produce such a drastic movement the difference in weight should be large (i mean more than two coins).
Lets see what VC has to say about this.

Yes now I have got a minor dent on the blade today when it toppled outdoors while take off. Even earlier when no dent it was taking off to right so i just did a test flight indoors just now by using a nut to counter balance & that has now solved the right take off problem completely.

I think it toppled outdoors more due to little breeze as it was already needing a balance to left.

Since their are now 2 counter balance (left & front) I need to fine tune both a bit & again testing outdoors. One thing I have noticed is that the trim which works indoors do not work same outdoors since the wind conditions are different. Can anyone of you confirm that? 

1. "outdoors it toppled to right while taking off so I need a counter weight on left side....................or is there a  way to balance this with trim I guess not."

2. "I dont thing its designed to handle anything more than a light breeze Ranjan."

1. I had the same problem. I then learnt that if we try to be too careful and apply throttle gently, it WILL topple over. You HAVE to give it a good burst to raise it to a 6 feet height or more - then the game begins. I don't think counter balancing weights are required here.

2. Bang on! It is suicidal to try and fly this baby in strong winds. Don't try it - you will wreck the model.

Can you post pics of the coin and nut addition. It may help others with similar problems.

Thanks VC,
I am indeed trying gentle lift off but your point is understood so I will try once again outdoors with your method & report back. What I want to confirm from you is that if outdoors i lift off say 8-10 feet & hover will I get a balanced heli where I can then adjust the trim & ensure that the tail remain pointed to me as I move forward as of now it was hovering but kept on moving here & there due to off balance I guess.

Yes I guess you would achieve that if you constantly keep your right hand busy on the adjuster. Once you have trimmed the tail rotation and brought it under control, you will have to apply right stick movement to compensate the Heli behaviour. Once trimmed, DON'T TOUCH THE TRIMMER unless absolutely necessary!

Keep in mind the caution that these CoAx helis are really meant for indoor stadium flying and are not at all wind friendly.

Final thoughts - I think you need to take off all the weights that you have put on and fly her just the way she was meant to be. Choose an indoor stadium or a perfectly still day and you will be amazed. Atleast, I was!

All the best, land safely!

For howmuch you bought this heli?

I bought it for 2250/-,
however the prices keep changing due to dollar rates.

This made so much sense! Thanks without this I was struggling to even get this off the ground for the last 2 days...

Folks, I am Naveed from Hyderabad and I am new to this arena, so please pardon me for my mistakes if any :)

I got myself a brand new Double Horse 9053 Volitation Helicopter for 2600 INR :) Got it from Toyhouse Chennai shipped to my place.

So here is goes, I am unable to find the instruction manual for flying this helicopter. I read somewhere that even if there was any, it was just a plain translation from Chinese to English and it did not make any sense to anyone :( but still I don't even have that. So I was just hoping if someone who has the instruction manual can send me a scanned copy so that I can keep it for myself :) This way I can atleast say that I read the instruction manual before flying the copter!! :). My other Questions will be on the way once I start flying the helicopter outdoor soon.

By the way this is my second Heli. My first heli was also from double horse, it was 9051A and it was just awesome!! But I wrecked it b'coz of my inexperience :( and then I got this one a few days back :)

Guys please someone send me the instruction manual for this Heli :) The worst thing is that I know nothing about the controls on the transmitter :( They are sooo many!!

Regards,
Naveed
Hyderabad

Shouldnt be s prob without a manual. One is to mov the heli up or down, one to turn it about its axis and one to mov it back and forth. One trim for each maybe. What other controls are you refering to?

Does anyone have a manual for this Heli by the way?

I have the manual but its not much of help it mostly describes the radio controls & how to connect the battery for charging plus few dos & donts, if you still need then I can scan it but I am out for 2 days so you will have to wait.

As a complete newbie to RC it helped me but those who are in RC hobby would already know what radio controls do.
I now mostly do SIM flying practice as i hardly get time to go out physically with the heli, when I have time its windy or bad light so SIM works fine as of now.

Let me know.

Hi can someone please send me the scan of the manual?

PM your mail id. I will send what i have. It wont be the 100% compatable with yours but should be of some use atleast.

Can someone please help me with the Volitation 9053. Didnt come in my box!!  I am a first time flyer and am completely lost!!

Welcome to RC India :)

Please do post in detail about what exactly the problems are, preferably with a video. 

Dear Anwar, I am an absolute newbie and when i opened my box, the Manual was missing. Would appreciate if someone could share one with me please.

even me 2

got a new 450 v2 rtf from rcbazaar
& the manual was missing
i asked rcb & they told manufacturer doesn't supply the manual with the kit
but operated it its working fine
 
 

Shubham, the Manual is there, its at the back of the Thermacol, i saw it while we checked ours but probably was dropped sumwer there :( Can someone help US now !!

i searched it every where
but its not there
so asked rcb
 they told me to download it from net
for trex 450v2

So do you have anything?? If so can you send me the Link here..

The manual for 9053 seems hard to find online.  It would be good if someone can scan and upload it.

rcb told me about this http://www.helifreak.com/
we will get all the helicopters manuals here :thumbsup:
but we have to register here first

No manual there as well.. Does anybody have a manual and is willing to help!!

Hi

9053 is a very simple 3.5 heli with Gyro Very stable, just make sure that you try to fly it in open space. Please pm me your email ID and I will send you the manual.

Thanks
Hellyflyer

Thanks Hellyflyer..gt d manual :-)

my id is yayogesh13@hotmail.com
plzzzz send me manual

Hi All,

Today I received the 9053 volitation helicopter for my son as a christmas gift to him & I did some modification with the TX .Instead of regualr batteries in TX , I used my NICD battery TX Pack (eight cell) on the TX of (9053) .

Before I did the check the voltage  which read 12.15v on my lipo Charger in Nicd mode then I connected it to the 9053 volitation helicopter  TX which was giving full reading throttle trim was also working (lights up but no heli  response) & also the throttle stick working (lights up but no heli  response) later I switched on Heli & then the TX but there was no BONDING or any kind of response to the heli?

Again I tried it several time & even waited a several mintues (10 or 15 minutes)

Is it becuase that Tx is designed only for alkaline batteries ? Or Nicd Does not work with these TX ?

Awaiting for your reply.

Regards
Peter

Did it ever work with the normal AA batteries?

Hi

thanks for your prompt reply

Did not try that but I intend to do it if required as I Would need to re -solder the old connector to the eight cell holder.

Im no electronic guy so very little know of Electronic

What you think about my IDEA of Nicd batteries for 9053 TX ?should it work ?

regards
Peter

Hi All,

Today I again bought 8 duracell batteries & installed it in the TX & Then switch on the Heli & then Tx .

Remove the canopy to check all light are working or not.When switch on heli ,noticed that on the PCB of heli ,the Red light was blinking(may be its trying to bind) .Tx is also ON  -throttle right down & the same with throttle trim ,waited for 5-10  mintues with TX ON -slowly raised the throttle but no response,then tried the throttle trim at 1/4 ,then half but no response.Tx voltage on multimter reads as 26v. 

How do I verify whether the tx is working or not or binding.

Any kind of help or suggestion

regards
Peter

Hi All,

After several hours of checking & trying to verify the tx or Heli ,signal found the bloody problem .Only when the Tx is kept at 4 inches away from the heli PCB there is binding.All of a sudden the heli just sprang to life & I was dazzled.On further checking noticed that the distance is creating a problem,so check the Heli antena wire if its cut or booken with the multimeter continuity test & it was ok ,then check the Tx Antena whether its properly attached or not & sanded both send of the antena & where the antena is put in tx.But no result.

Checked the voltage on Tx read as 26.2v -(8 duracel battery aklaline) & on heli it read as 17.2v.li lion battery (checked on multimeter)

what could be the problem

regards
Peter

Dear Anwarsab & All,

Need some help

Just to further update you that this model was purschased from Ebay.
26” Large 3.5 Channel Remote Control RC Gyro Helicopter Metal Frame - 9053 Rs.3,798.00 11/12/11 16/12/11 21/12/11 30366577331  & I also informed TEJ India -Delhi  the current Situation & he informed me that his engineer would speak to me but no response.
Since its Defective  & bought from e bay ,Does any one know what is the process of sending  back the defective via e bay? Using  ebay for the first time.would Ebay replace the set ? or refund me ?

But I've already tampered the orignal connector & replaced them with (futaba connector for TX ) & Also on the Heli  BATTERY &  CHARGER POINT put XT60 on them.so I can use my other LI PO BATTERY.

Regards
Peter


regards Peter

Hi ALL,


There was a problem with the multimeter,I again crossed checked with my lipo charger .The battery on my 9053 is 8.1v & Tx is 11.8v
 
Late night I did open the tx ,checked all solders & seen all visual electronic parts are ok,again close it & seen a range check,Beileve me the TX could responds at 13 to 14 ft after that the binding stop & blinking thrice (3 blinks & then a gap ).

Spoke to seller & he seem to say that the TX may be faulty & suggested to center the knob on the right side of the TX(RUDDER TRIM) & as per him if you turn it correctly it may go into auto mode thereby give you full signal,Tried that stuff too but still at 13 to 14 ft only but now I can atleast fly it around a raduis of 6ft.The seller also suggested that to send the Tx back to him as he suspects its faulty.He too is no electronic engineers just out of his selling experience,he suggested me the knob trick(but did not work for me).
I've even changed the external tx Antena from one of my old Futaba Tx -6va & its did work but the range was 8ft to 9ft.Therefore put the original back into its place.
So far so good -Do you suspect the TX ?

Regards
Peter