I have been following this forum and some other too, and have seen heli lovers and flyers chat and exchange views and suggestions ,been to Rc events in India but have not seen or heard about anyone flying real 3d in India ,i guess simple invert and basic maneuvers comes under  sports flying not 3d ,correct me if iam wrong ,it cannot be lack of talent in this land of prodigies , the only other reason i could gauge is the total  dearth of spares and repair desk available with the local lhs, a simple crash and its one hour fix takes almost a month + in India , may be someday quality spares and aftermarket mods will be available locally 

Define "good"

righteousness to the term 3D flying 

As of now we have to invite 3D flyers from abroad , that's what happening at all the major rc events in India ,after they fly  i have seen some Indian hely flyers trying their luck , that's when i go for my cigarette break    No offense

My intention, after about 6 months of getting into RC, was to become a "respectable" 3D heli flyer.  I practiced for about a year towards this goal.  Crashes and waiting for parts started denting my resolution, but dragged along, until work and the desire to be a driving force at our local field (training others, fixing and testing things or others etc) took over completely.

Then work alone completely took over !

Plan to return some day...

Getting "good" at 3D flying is not easy.  Lots of sim practice, deep pockets and time... all are needed in equal parts. You have to be willing to crash.  If you get to a significant level quickly and attract sponsorship initially itself, then you are set. Otherwise it is an uphill battle, and most people give up for various reasons.

Work is priority i totally agree with what you have to say , but even if i  consider comparing 3d flying to clearing the administrative services exams !! where are the toppers   , and coming back to getting sponsorship to save your and get a triple boost for your guts to go on overdrive, iam sure there a benchmark to evaluate giving sponsorship to any flyer by a company or individual   ... is there anyone who qualifies 

yeah deep pockets is wat u need ....firstly to get a really good set up is very costly if ur even building a 450 size bird with good electronics it will take u 1000$ atleast ...then comes the part to pay for replacements if u crash now the paying may be 40% of the problem but waiting for the damn spares to arrive is a month and to learn 3d u got to be constantly flying u just cant  nap for a month ...another way to solve this problem is having more than one heli ...as far as my calculation goes i have been recently  struggling to find a good 550 bird with really good electronics to progress in 3d but i dont c my cost coming anywhere below 1500$ also maintenance for the very same ...most of us guys like me are still studying and not working so time we can make  but filling the holes in the pockets takes even longer than the spares delivery lol....with good graces hopefully both will happen job and 3d i still haven't given up on 3d and moving slowly but surely ..... >

Since RC is not popular in India, participation is low. Once we have greater participation, then we may see some toppers.
To add to what Anwar/Shannon mentioned, Helis are very delicate machines and need constant maintainence. Even if you crash less, there is still a recurring expense. So cost is definately a major factor.

As per the ALIGN manual, the new thrust bearings need check up every 20 flights!! There are few meet requirement of deep pockets and lots of spare time 

Building, learing, crashing and then fixing - not an easy job at all.

@ Shannon , Raja fully agree   can be a concomitant issue for a heli flyer and anyone who chooses 3D flying , its by will i guess , there are many excuses and reasoning too, but its still not the answer , there are many who can afford and are flying since years , you chose it ..its time to excel now  

I dint say I stopped just tht progress is not tht fast as it should be due to all the above factors and with the $exchange so Hugh it's become even more difficult

Iam not getting personal nor am i trying to defy facts on spare and its costs  ...its just that there is no end to reasoning , its become more like a belief system thus cautioning and stifle the new flyers to try out in full throttle 

Lol nthng like tht encouragement is 100%

+1 Shannon and Raja...Thanks to the dollar price, my plans of putting electronics and engine on x 50 have taken a back seat..

Another reason MAY be that apart from sim practice sometimes you really need a person who has already done a manouevre to help you out... We in India dont have it. My friend from UK says that every third person in his club is into sports or 3d flying. So, i guess it helps a lot.

You should have gone to Pinjore rc meet. Noam is the best 3d pilot in India at the moment. He flies a 800 DFC n he does fly really well.

N u chose ur style when u start flying. I know few guys here who started with plans of 3d but went into scale flying.

Then there are others with Exceptional deep pockets n all i see them is doing figure of 8s and converting nitro s to gasser engines etc.

N u have clearly stated the reason. Even, rotor India hasn't got all the spares. To go Full throttle into 3d flying i guess we need Dedication (sim and real stick time), Deep pockets and a bit of luck..

wow! any videos?

I was waiting for u to show up doc.... I just have to take care of few things this month ordering a bunch of spares and in September am sold out to 3d.... Now if only someone could gift me a bavarian demon with auto leveling feature to get of of nasty situations 

Will try getting some. He is not from my  rc field. But, he does fly beautifully be it piro flips, hurricanes or tictocs. He just came to our field once and flew a Trex 550. If i am lucky enough will record him this weekend.

@Flyjo : Buddy, when i started it was full throttle. I progressed fast. But, in India things are different. Slowly, the main focus of our life here becomes "Roti, kapda aur makaan" and flying takes a back seat like it has for me.

But, like Anwar said i am eager to come back with a bang n start with 3d prac again.

Never seen Harveer from Indore?
Mows his lawn with his heli!
Makes onlookers (flyers) dizzy with his 3d Heli.

Iyer Saab, Harveer hasnt posted his progress video here for quite some time. But, his skills definitely would have grown.

Flyjo wants to see some hard smack 3d stuff like Jamie robertson did in Amby valley

Smack is different from individual 3d maneuver

That's the spirit doc , Back with a Bang  now that's what iam talking abt ,Sorry guys dint mean to question any heli flyers zeal to become a 3d pilot, i do understand  time and money constrains , i wanted to see someone flying a decent 3D crediting the word "hard smack 3d stuff"   , Harveer i had seen him last at the ambi vally event , he crashed his heli within 30 seconds just when i was about to go for my cigarette break   pun intended , And never had any chance to watch Noam in action nor have i heard or read about him in any discussion here , Doc it would be really gr8 if you could try and get a video of him flying iam sure everyone here is so fervent to watch a clip,

I shall say Harveer has had a bad luck at Amby Valley. But, his skills are good and i do believe with time he will improve.

Iam sure he is learning still,  good flying i certainly hope to see him getting close to a spine-tingling or hard smack 3d stuff soon ,not that iam a Pro but when i compare someone flying 3d  to whats in my memory i expect a certain match if not 100% but certainly around it,  iam expressing as a spectator kindly do not mistake my observation as personal remark towards anyone 

Thanx Iyer sir & Doc..

FlyJo- Yes, I m still a learner and it will never gonna stop for sure, its a never ending process.
I m doin some smack very low, inverted forward and backward low passes etc. are new manuevers which are nt on videos..

Yes, this Aamby Valley was nt at all gud for my heli flying (2 crashes) first crash on day one due to bad lite at 6.00pm (there was no heli slot for us in day, ther was but planes are flying at that time), wrong correction in backward inverted low pass hitting rotor on tarmac.  Repaired the same and flew it on day three, in second flight engine bogged in second backward roll and it went down...

Having some vibration on my Trex 600n DFC causing Beastx some probs. Want to order some parts but waiting for doller to come down a bit...

$rate is such a  :banghead:oh

Right now i m doin some Circus airplane flyin... Page 3, Reply #59

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-maneuvers-and-skills/rc-skills-demo-videos-from-india/msg149156/#msg149156

Harveer , buddy again i want to clarify my comments where not directed at anyone , for me you were someone representing Indore/India at that movement , and i expressed what i felt , i would love to see more advanced/expert flying by fellow aeromodellers , my intentions are patriotic  

i wish you all the luck and hope to see you fly "hard smack 3d stuff" at the nxt ambi event

How about posting videos of practices and attempts of heli 3d flying , by doing so the help part doctor mentioned "Another reason MAY be that apart from sim practice sometimes you really need a person who has already done a manouevre to help you out... We in India dont have it " could be solved to some extend , iam sure 3d flyers like Harveer ,Shannon and  Noam could be of great help for a beginner making an effort to get into 3d

No grudges boss... i'll up some videos whn i start flying again..

Harveer buddy , "No grudges boss" sounds a lill incongruous , i don't know you personally  nor am i someone who is trying to compete against you , i was putting on some facts and ironically its taken a turn towards some preeminence being hurt ,i put up this post in good faith not as Joe"s Paradox 

In India buying a S-class is equal  to owning a rolls product in the US and many other presumably rich nations, even in this financially critical time  the highest number of merc and bmw's sold was in India, roti kapda aur makan applies to every human in this planet , everyone justifies their problems and in fact their justifications sounds like a self consolation towards their slow progress, rather than trying to overcome the issue (in this case mainly would be spares) other than that maintenance/time/money apply equally to ever Rc pilot in this world , its a game of skill for others excuses are in abundance u can pick any

If sponsorship comes in, then this is not true. I do not think any 3D master, wastes time building a heli.

u  have to reach a certain level for sponsorship Raja ,its not a lucky draw selection ,

again as i said its a game of skill for others excuses are in abundance u can pick any

Its already mentioned earlier, no need to repeat.
I think there are at-least a few who are at that level, but no sponsors i can see to bring them up

 put up their video , let everyone decide ,  this thread is all about getting the hidden talent if any,out in the open , iam sure if he/she is eligible there are many to back their talent

In this 2 page discussion only Harveer and Noam's name popped up , Raja iam sure you knew about Harveer and never heard about Noam , who are the eligible few you are talking about , also i hope you know how sponsorship works , no sponsorship is awarded for you to learn 3d till you excel, you become a master the sponsorship comes looking for you

+1 joe ......to get sponsored u need to build ur skills first then display them to the world 'jo dikhta hai woh bikta hai '....why would any brand sponcer if they have not seen any potential in ur flying ...no company is going to sponcer u to learn 3d and reck their helis ....they will only sponcer u when u show ur skills and help in pushing the limits of their birds and then represent them at an national or international level....sujjit ur wrong on this one almost all the 3d masters build and setup the helis with their own hands bobby watts bert kammerer ...even tareq setup and build his own birds .....to be a great pilot u need to know how reliable is  ur bird and tht is only possible if u have built it and taken necessary steps to ensure its well built .....if somebody had to build helis for them they would have bought prebuilt factory kits in the first place .....the blade helis ..... well its a good idea to promote 3d and videos will be a great way to do it

I think u are generalizing ur statement, its about priorities. Recently a friend of mine who started with 3d has stopped flyin or is taking a break. Reasons obviously his family n other important things. Priority or excuse, U decide???

You cant compare the conditions here in India and America. In whole Delhi, we have not been able to locate a nice grass covered field for over a year now. Be it Mundka or Noida or Gurgaon field. The cost of maintenance will be sky high.
 

First of all happy Friendship day to all  , Doctor sahab ,my comments are all in general not directed at anyone in precise, let me comment based on the reply's ,this post is 4 days old and viewed by 700+ members  of our rc community , my question was simple No good 3d heli pilots in India? , handful replied including Harveer  acknowledging  he is still learning and practice is going strong , Anwar though he is not residing in India expressed his opinions, you are going to be back with practicing 3d soon  as you find time , Shannon is going slow because of  finance and his studies , Raja is finding  it difficult to keep up with align maintenance suggestion’s due to time constrain, according to you it seems like all others you know have lost interest and the rest are in some problem which slows them down or force them to either quit or take a break , this is happening to Indian pilots only because ?
1)Age  can be a influence, as we age we get wiser but our reflexes  slows down , younger heli pilots are few, can be because of the finances required or lack of guidance,  by the time they become self-sufficient and afford a good heli they are already juggling between societal and work related priorities and of course your reflexes slows down too ,
2) Dedication is a  frequently used word in Rc, but how many actually follow it , its not at all easy to fly 3d it takes years or daily practice and perseverance , which also includes maintenance /upgrade of your machine’s, a lot of pilots are lost here because  they come in with super enhanced fortitude watching a 3d masters video which soon weaken as they realize the arduousness involved
3) Space can be a issue too but we are discussing about India as a country not only the cities , I think there are more rc groups and pilots in smaller towns across India than in the bigger metros ,  

Fly Joe,

I think you missed the biggest factor which is affecting Indian pilots, Family. Indians are highly emotional humans across the globe, so family plays a major role in your ablity to fly considering howmuch support do you get .plus there is no hurry as there are not many competetions happening where the stakes are high. this hobby especially with heli flying is still at its evolution stage.

You should be happy with the fact that we dont give up :-)

Btw..in your signature it seems you have evrything why dont you upload your video so we know if there is another master :-)