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« on: March 10, 2013, 06:42:59 PM »
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Hi Guys ,

Below is the info i found and i tried this on  my Trex 550 and it has worked worked on my 3G.

Hope it helps


1. have sensor as rigid as possible, I use a thin almost paper like double sided tape to attach sensor to a heavy, thick and large steel Spartan plate, then a 1mm thick foam tape to the gyro mount. In addition, I also use a wide, not the skinny, align Velcro strap and tighten it down as much as I can.

2. Make sure that the aileron and elevator rotation rates in the "command display" screen are the same. You do this by adjusting the aileron/elevator "control rate" in their respective parameter setting screens until you get equal values, if desired, in the "command display" screen, but you must press the "write" button to see the changes.

3. Set up dials on control box to about 12 o'clock, calibrate by observing the "3G setting display" screen until you see about 75% on the aileron and elevator gain. By doing this calibration the same for each helicopter, you can transfer settings from heli to heli meaningfully.
 
4. After step 3 you can increase your 'total gain compensate' in the aileron and elevator parameter setting screens.

5. If you experience good stability and a locked in feel, but have some oscillation in an elevator flip with aileron oscillation or other oscillations in aileron tic tocs, then gradually lower your lock gains in each of the aileron and elevator parameter setting screens, until satisfied.
 
6. Increase the swash return speed to about 70 in the "miscellaneous" screen.
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Tail wags have been fixed by,
1. Moving in the control ball on the tail servo horn.
2. Do not have the gyro mounted too loosely.
3. Reducing the rudder lock gain.
4. Increasing the gain in TX or software.
5. Making sure tail control links are very smooth.


Do the sensor Mod

This is what I have been doing to my sensors, I have the silicone just touching the top and I leave the tabs in. I tried to put as much glue in as to stabilize the sensors and not contact too much of the sides and the top, but I wanted the tabs to remain to locate the sensors and the glue touches the tabs to insulate them from/to the sensors that they touch. The silicone does not ooze out anywhere. Lately I have been using Momentive rtv 162 electronics grade silicone, In the early mods I've used dynatex blue high temp rtv and permatex ultra grey rtv. All glues worked equally well.
I am not putting any glue on bottom of gyro sensor board.
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I am not using any stop gains
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Using non FBL blades will result in a lower gain rate about 80% on aileron and elevator in the parameter setting screens (about 92% in the "3G setting screen", and a lock gains at 40%, swash return speed of 70, will work with no oscillations.
But with heaver FBL blades you can increase the gains to 88% or more, in aileron and elevator parameter setting screen (about 100% in the "3G setting screen" and a lock gains at 40%, swash return speed of 70, will work with no oscillations, BUT WILL BE VERY STABLE, even in very windy, gusty conditions. With heavier blades, the slower response will be overcome by increasing the cyclic deflection in aileron and elevator in DIR setup or elevator/aileron control rate in the software in the aileron/elevator parameter setting screens.
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If, a sensor is erratic, it is likely due to vibration, due to tape or mounting position.

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I have not had the tail twitch issue, but some have found the cause to be static electrical discharge on belt driven machines.
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I hope even this helps


This should get your new 3G flying... assuming the rest of your mechanical setup on the heli is proper...

*Start up a new model,
*Set Swash type to 3 servos 120 degree
*All travel adjusts to 100%
*All dual rates 100%
*All expo 0%
*All pitch curves 0-25-50-75-100
*All throttle curves 0-25-50-75-100
*Disconnect two esc wires
*Bind model to tx
*Power off
*Power back up pressing the button on the 3G brain
*Enter DIR mode

*Set 3G gains at 12:00
*Set both sticks centered on the tx
*Use subtrim if needed to set servo horns perpendicular to the main shaft
*Use the zip tie method to check for level swashplate
*Use pitch guage to check for zero pitch
*Move the right stick around, reverse servos as necessary for proper movement using tx
*Move the left stick up/down, change swashmix polarity +/- as needed to get proper movement of the swash
*Now, both sticks should move the swash correctly
*Check the tail direction, reverse as necessary using the tx... Left stick input will make the leading edge of the tail blades move to the right...
*Now... Adjust the swash mix settings until you get 12 collective and 12 cyclic... Write these numbers down...
*Once you've written down your swash mix numbers for 12/12... I need you to do one of two things...
*1: increase both of those numbers by at least 10...
*2: increase both those numbers until you achieve binding, full servo travel, or interactions that the swash is no longer level-ish for full travel...
*Never adjust your servo travel endpoints for level swash... And never adjust subtrim outside of DIR mode...

*So... Now DIR mode is completely level at midstick, all the servos move correctly, zero pitch at midstick, and the swash mix numbers are greater than those that give you 12/12 degrees of pitch(by at least 10 numbers)...
*Now, put both sticks centered, and press the button on the 3G brain
*Moving only the elevator, push the stick full forward until it stops, then back to the center, all within 2 seconds-completed, and not adding any aileron...
*Then push the button on the 3G brain
*Now lift the tail, the swash should tilt backwards, reverse if necessary by changing the color of the led by moving the elevator stick one way or the other
*Press the button on the 3G brain
*Move the aileron to the full right, and back to center, within 2 seconds, without elevator input...
*Press the button on the 3G brain
*Make the Heli roll to the side physically, make sure the swashplate is correcting properly... reverse the gyro direction if needed by changing the color of the LED by moving the aileron stick to one side or the other
*Press the button on the 3G brain

*This concludes the DIR mode setup of the aileron, elevator, and collective pitch ranges, as well as the gyro directions… now time to set the tail….

*Press the button on the 3G brain for two seconds minimum
*Select the frame rate of the servo by moving the rudder left/right... Typically it'll be set for green
*Press the button on the 3G brain
*Select digital/analog servo for the tail, typically green for digital
*Press the button on the 3G brain
*(if at any time you wait too long in the rudder menu it may go back to normal operating mode... In that case, press and hold the button on the 3G for two seconds, release when it enters setup mode, then press the button to select through the menus... )
*We are now setting up the gyro reversing
*Spin the Heli nose left, the leading edge of the tail blades should correct by moving to the left(which will force the nose right)
Once that is correct,
*Press the button on the 3G brain to enter the travel limits
*Now move the rudder slowly until the slider reaches its full potential, without binding/buzzing the servo, leave it there without touching the rudder for at least two seconds.
*Move the rudder the opposite direction until the slider reaches its full potential, without binding/buzzing of the servo, and leave it there for at least two seconds...
*Push the button on the 3G brain and enter the tail sensitivity mode
*Push the rudder slowly to the side until you get the led to be red
*Then slowly move the rudder the red direction until you see the solid led begin flashing... Hold the rudder there, and press the button on the 3G brain

*With me? Setup is now complete of DIR mode, and tail mode

*Now... Let's go into the tx and change some things.... ;-)
*Go to your swash mix and lower your swash settings back to the numbers that gave you 12/12
*Goto your pitch curves
*Set norm 40-45-50-75-100
*Set st1/st2/hold to 0-25-50-75-100
*Goto throttle curves
*Set norm 0-40-80-85-90
*Set st1 95-90-85-90-95
*Set st2 100-95-90-95-100
*Set hold -5

*Set your dual rates and expo to be controlled by the flight mode switch
*Set norm and st1 as position 0
*Set st2 and hold as position 1
*Set the ail/elevator position 0 dual rates to 75%
*Set the ail/elevator position 1 dual rates to 100%
*Set the rudder position 0 dual rate to 75%
*Set the rudder position 1 dual rate to 85%
*Set the ail/elevator/rudder position 0 expo +35(spektrum numbers)
*Set the ail/elevator/rudder position 1 expo +25(spektrum numbers)

*If you use the gear channel for gyro gain...
*Using the gear channel, set up for +50, set down for -50
*Down will be rate mode, up will be heading hold mode...
*Raise/lower the gear channel travel adjust numbers to adjust gyro gain

*If you use a gyro menu...
*Set the up position to 70%, the down position to 30%
*Down is rate mode, up is heading hold mode,
*Adjust the numbers accordingly for tail gyro gain...
*Closer to 50% is less gain in either direction
*Farther from 50% is more gain in either direction

*Oh, lower your 3G brain pot gains from 12:00 to 10:00...
*Plug your esc wires back in
*Now... Go fly!

*If the Heli drifts off axis like a bad trim job... Up the gain pots on the 3G from 10:00 to whatever stops the drift...

*If the tail drifts... Put it in rate mode, and set it as close to mechanically perfect as you can...
*Then put it back to hh mode... If it drifts, raise the gain... If it wags, and still drifts, lower the gain and click one or two clicks of trim...

*If the collective is too touchy, lower the swash mix pit value
*If the cyclic is too touchy, up the expo, or lower the dual rates

*Never adjust your swash mix above your max numbers set in DIR mode
*And always fly your swash mix lower than max set in DIR mode for best flight performance...
 
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