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Hi,

Model rocketry is a popular hobby in many countries around the world. Unfortunately this exciting hobby seems to be nearly non existent in India even though we have a number of space, rocket and aeromodelling enthusiasts here.  There could be many reasons for this but one of the biggest stumbling blocks appears to be lack of availability of rocket kits, components, motors etc over here.

I was wondering if you think that there is a demand for such  rocket kits, components, motors etc India and what would be the expectations of people over here. Any comments or suggestions in this regard would be appreciated.

Thanks :)

I am interested if it is available in chennai

its available in bunder street and badrian street.just ask for rohini rocket or silver jet rocket lol.

@ moorty
What are their sizes, price and how much far they go.
can you please elaborate a little  :)

I think what Cosmonaut was referring to was, Model rockets which are reusable. 

@manojswizera

what have typed its just diwali fireworks LOL

What Cosmonaut describe is below

http://www.estesrockets.com/rockets/ (http://www.estesrockets.com/rockets/)


@ashimda sir your right but we need black powder

No you just need sugar, potassium nitrate and glucon D.

That is correct.
1) The models which I am referring to are significantly more powerful than the diwali kind of rockets which will make them go higher and faster.
2)They will have a parachute recovery system and be reusable.
3) They will have a electrical launch system and will not be fuse lit like diwali rockets.
4) The rocket motors will be changeable for varying power and other parameters.

1. Much much more powerful.
2. A parachute is a must, These rockets come down as fast as they go up.
3. My ones were fuse lit. A very long fuse.
4. Just like model planes.

The Diwali rockets that you have used are entirely different from the rockets that estes makes and there is no similarity between them except that they use the same basic physics principles. Please read more on the rockets that estes offers.



1) The motors (motors power the rocket) will be factory made. There will be no handling of hazardous chemicals by the user. The user will not make the motors except to insert the electrical igniters in them before launch.

2) The rockets will come in ready to use form or in form of kits in which the user will have to make the rocket body, recovery system etc.  The kits could be of varying complexity depending upon user skill.

@Cosmonaut

typed diwali fireworks for fun.

There are home made rockets in Tamilnadu used for display in marriage and temple function which is illegal and sound level is more than 125db.

these home made rockets comes in steel pipe and no fuse just hand launch high risk many people have lost their hand.


Rocket theory is not rocket science.

as you said motor power rockets and There will be no handling of hazardous chemicals by the user?then how come smoke and flame produced does they have turbine engine?

here is the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_rocket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_rocket)  clear picture what we need and what substance we need.

Motor power means don't imagine like RC motor.100% you need black powder.

These black powder react according to compression you fill in motor.High compression filling some time lead to explode.like cannon

if you order online you will get physical body and other launching device. But end of day fuel is black powder.

Getting black powder in india equal to flying on pegasus

"Getting black powder in india equal to flying on pegasus"
"we need black powder mixture of aluminium powder,ammonium perchlorate,potassium nitrate.but for these chemical we need special permission from govt"

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

I don't know where the above came from. Afaik, Black powder is Charcoal, Potassium Nitrate and Sulphur and I have researched this subject and manufactured it at home for the last 20 years. Both fused and mixed. Rocket candy is a different process with Sugar and Potassium Nitrate (with some Red Oxide powder) fused at a high temperature. All chemicals were bought from laboraory supplies shops with legitimate cash memo inclusive of sales tax and vat. What 'special govt. permission' are you talking about?

Cosmonaut, I am keen. Keep in touch.

Regards.

Now a days getting cleaning acid is very tough here.

Mr. Moorthy, it is obvious that you have absolutely zero knowledge about Model Rocketry. I am sorry if I sound scathing, however, it is one of my favourite subjects and my rockets have been rather successful - both Black Powder and Rocket Candy. For your information, some of my students in Shillong, Meghalaya have been launching their own recoverable rockets for quite some time now. They use Black Powder and Rocket Candy propellants. There has not been single minor (or major) injury so far.

Perhaps, you would like to visit this site and gain some thorough knowledge on Model Rocketry. Richard Nakka is an internationally acclaimed authority on the subject.

http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/ (http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/)

There are other forms of Model Rocketry which don't need any combustion like Pneumatic Rockets and Water Rockets. More on that later.

Well actually it is something like a engine on a RC plane. Most aeromodelling enthusiasts do no make their own engines whether it is electric, gas, glow, nitro or even rocket engines. What they do is they buy the engine separately and then attach it to an aircraft body that they have built. The same applies to model rockets. People buy the engines (called rocket motors) separately and attach it to the rocket body that they have built.

From the same Wikipedia page that you have linked, I urge you to see some examples rocket motors used in amateur rocketry:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Model_Rocket_Motors.jpg/388px-Model_Rocket_Motors.jpg)

These are factory made disposable motors that contain all those chemicals and are ready to fire. You just have to attach then to the rocket you have built and fire them. There is a lot more to a rocket than just the motor.  

You dont have to worry about dangerous chemicals and all and neither do you require a license to use, transport or store small quantifies of these for personal use.

BTW, all rocket motors are not made out of black powder. The big black motor that you see on the right side of the image is made using composite propellant.

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 @VC many thanks for the reply. I am getting a feeling that it wont be a case of just selling kits/components but also educating people about model rocketry here from zero. This is probably going to be a uphill task

Forget educating. You sell, I buy.......keep prices low ;D

Mr VC

Might be in your place black powder or any substance easily available.but here no way .

Mr. Moorthy, Black Powder is NOT 'available'. It has to be 'manufactured'. I will deliberately not give out the percentage mix ratios here. That is my prerogative.

Rockets are banned almost everywhere, especially in North East India. So are Deepawali crackers that are suspected of causing sound pollution beyond the permissible auditory limit. However, they are sold openly when the season arrives.

I have interacted with manufacturers of rockets and learnt the techniques from them at Nungi, West Bengal and Barpeta, Assam since 1991. Sir, I have a little knowledge, however, I assure you that it runs deep.

Mr VC

according to you Black powder not available and manufacture.


but to me its available readily with all mixed ratios.here people get to make illegal fireworks and fuse
 

@Cosmonaut

Thanks for educating.Please continue your show

by the way welcome on-board of rcindia.org

Black powder can be used to make many items required for pyrotechnics, like fuses, propellants, lift charges, gunpowder and many more. It all depends on ratio and manufacturing process.
For rockets which are launched during the day sugar based propellants are quite  popular.
As far as purchasing rocket motors, I feel making your own works out much cheaper.

ashimda +1 - I couldn't have put it better.

Thank you Dada.

"Might be in your place black powder or any substance easily available.but here no way" - 12:00:49 am

"but to me its (Black Powder) available readily with all mixed ratios.here people get to make illegal fireworks and fuse" - 12:17:06 am


eh?  :headscratch:  ???

@ Cosmonaut
which types of rockets you have and their Price please ..

Mr VC
what you want to prove???????

We are considering introducing many model rockets for various skill levels, from launch sets to Ready to Fly sets with constructed rockets, easy assemble models, advanced skill sets besides components and accessories. The final pricing of these is yet to be finalised.

'' All chemicals were bought from laboraory supplies shops with legitimate cash memo inclusive of sales tax and vat. What 'special govt. permission' are you talking about? '' 11:15:08 pm

BUT HERE NO WAY means here to get any chemical we need proper authorization or license a individual can't acquire

"but to me its (Black Powder) available readily with all mixed ratios.here people get to make illegal fireworks and fuse" - 12:17:06 am

But people get it illegally am not proving its impossible.possible but in crocked way.

VC as you replied earlier black power not available but manufacture.

we order like we need for fire works or for fuse according to that they mix and sell so here" AVAILABLE"

What chemicals are you referring to ?

Acquiring these rockets is ok.

But, using a remote or wired ignition system is a problem. Noway you will be able to get a licence for that from the explosives department. I have been into manual firing of fireworks and only a handful of well connected people have a wired or remote ignition system.

Not discouraging model rocketry but possessing a firing system can land you guys in trouble if caught at wrong place n time.

My 2 cents

As Ashimda pointed out that he uses a very long fuse possibly a visco with blackmatch at the end will be good enough. Possessing a wired clip igniter or an e match is trouble. Stay away from the igniters and an ignition system.

You are much mistaken. You do not need a license to electrically ignite fireworks. There is no law which says this. I suggest you read the Explosives Rules, 2008 to get a better idea of Indian law regarding this. 

I have read it buddy.

I am talking about the practical scenario. Wrong place and wrong time n u know rest of work is done by police. Even i was warned by a retired policeman. If they get you den keep teaching them the explosive rules and challenging them.

Rest is up to you. I am not here to spoil ur business or anything but the reality is that police will never approve of such a firing system or an ignitor.

Best of luck to you guys.

Page 195, pt. 13

http://dipp.nic.in/English/acts_rules/Acts/ExplosivesRules_2008.pdf (http://dipp.nic.in/English/acts_rules/Acts/ExplosivesRules_2008.pdf)

Detonator system is mentioned along with detonating fuse.

I think there is a lot of sense in what doctor is saying here. Once you are caught at the wrong place at the wrong time, no amount of rule book is going to save you from harassment or possible imprisonment. If push comes to shove and they decide to search your house and find explosives stored. God help you.

I am a rocket enthusiast myself. However, staying in Assam, I will think a hundred times before launching an incendiary rocket with or without a remote igniter. Being specific about 'incendiary' as water and pneumatic rockets are not prone to such suspicious scrutiny by the powers that be.

First you should understand what is the meaning of a detonator. See the definition of detonator and detonating cord on the same document. P 164:

(17) "Detonating fuse”means a cord containing a centre-core of high explosive authorised by the Chief Controller which is used for initiating high explosives charges and to transmit explosion from one explosive charge to another;
(18)“detonator”
means a tubular device —
(a) one end of which is closed and the other—
(i) left open for the insertion of safety fuse
for the purpose of initiating explosion
within the tube; or
(ii)fitted with wires or other device for that
purpose and sealed;
(b) which is loaded with a charge of initiating
explosives, the charge being so designed as
to produce an explosion that would
communicate to the other tube similarly
constructed and charged or other explosive
charge and includes cord relay connector;
-------------------------

A igniter is not a detonator. It is not a tubular device or loaded with any explosive. There is no detonation, explosives or high explosive in it at all. Detonating cord itself is used as a high explosive and that is why it is subject to regulation.

A rocket igniter is more like a vehicle spark plug. You can be assured that you do not require a explosive license to use a electrical spark plug in your vehicle.

You dont have to fear anything if you are following the law. If you stretch your imagination then you can find problems in everything.

Even model aircraft are deemed to be a security threat by some. There are also a lot of toy aircraft running on unauthorised radio frequencies in India.

"You don't have to fear anything if you are following the law."

With all due respect, we live in India. The Law is Money and / or Power. If you don't have enough of either, it is best to follow the law that prevails during a given circumstance. A student of mine was hauled to the Police Station for flying an RC glider near the State Guest House. All equipment was confiscated till he parted with Rs.2000/- in cash. Law is what is dictated to us a given situation unless we have Money and/or Power.
One thing that I have learnt :


It tells you what to do. End of story.

All being said, Cosmo if you get the rockets I will be your customer. That is a promise. When and where I fly them is a different question altogether.

@Cosmonaut: Please post the picture of the rocket specific spark plug. I have never seen it.
Thanks for explaining the meaning of a detonator. We are not picturing anything wrong in our minds. My friend was flying with spektrum DSX7 and had to give 1000 bucks to policeman as he just got hold of transmitter. You can keep explaining the law to them whether the instrument is approved or not.

I dont think that the policeman will understand the explosives rules and even if he does ur a goat ready to be made into a Korma. For them its a potential device to detonate a bomb.

the policeman will just keep aside your rule book unless you call ur lawyer. They wont even listen to you buddy.

If you have the power, resources to deal with such a situation go ahead.

I think Cosmonaut is talking about simple ignition systems with a 9v battery and nichrome wire. I have done this and it works fine. As far as legality goes, I agree with VC da. If its the end of the month and the Policeman wants to harass you for money, the law doesn't matter.   

(http://personal.erodov.com/vijayninel/images/q2_igniters.jpg)

Here are a bunch of 6 Quest Aerospace Q2 igniters (uncoated). You can make electrical igniters with materials readily available at your home as well.

I can understand that people may be concerned over harassment by authorities. Occasionally things do go wrong here. I know people here stopped by the traffic police for very doubtful traffic violations, however in general it is not a major issue if you are following the law.

While flying model rockets or airplanes in India, it is best to do it away from sensitive areas and follow general safety precautions.

Yeah thats a simple nichrome wire based ignitor. Instead of a nichrome wire people also use dat steel wool (just like HCL advert.).
I just differ in my opinion as using the clip ignitor/talon got warned by a policeman. He just said " ki bhai seedha dhartay hi andar kar denge aur bail nahin hai" aka "dat we will put u behind bars no questions asked and its non bailable"

I shouldnt extrapolate my experience onto everyone. May be my badluck that i got into a situation.

Best wishes for the efforts you are putting in to make model rocketry popular.

As the famous quote says - "Law is an ass" - (with due apologies to those who are innocently on the wrong side of it; may get kicked or bitten or be a boss).
And in our country, "Jis ka dandaa uskaa bhains". Period. I have heard of a police officer seriously trying to investigate a model heli/quad as being an 'un-manned aerial recon vehicle' or a 'drone' for 'suspicious' activities.
As it was put earlier, "situation is the boss" and if I may add, we may be a 'bakraa' or 'byle' or something else. Its all your luck.

Hi,
      in my knowledge presently there are no such kind of availability & source in India for RTF kind of Rocket kit, even if you manage to get it somehow then trust me you will not get the actual pleasure of launching it as compared to your own self made Rocket.
     Sourcing chemicals itself is a toughest job specially a place like North-East for me. But if you have proper idea of locally available materials & a smart sourcing capability then you can make it out easily in a very affordable budget. Propellant can be anything, only you just need to have some knowledge on Chemical Ratio, aerodynamic, CG, Nozzle, Thrust etc.  :thumbsup: Try out yourself Check internet, youtube and build your own rocket motor.
    In my one year of Rocket making experience we used almost every possible chemical components & carried out successful experiment without getting any injuries and violence as VC has mentioned in his earlier post  >:D (Precautions are mandatory). Best R-candy to start with

out of 2000+ launching 200+ was successful (in a safe area)  :giggle: learn from the mistakes
All the best Go ahead   {:)}

I think No
but u can buy from ebay.com

Mr. Asrani, if you try to buy Ammonium Nitrate in India without a valid explosives license, you are asking for BIG trouble. We the members, without thinking and/or knowing, should not propagate such dangerous information on this forum. Tomorrow, some youngster will read what you have written and walk up to a laboratory chemicals shop and ask for Ammonium Nitrate. The chances of him landing up behind bars are very high.

Even if he is lucky enough to get the chemical, it is a dangerously unstable product in the wrong hands and he may end up killing himself.

Perhaps you meant Potassium Nitrate.

sorry V.C
i modify the message   ;D  ;D
but thanks for telling me  :salute:
 

 :salute: ;D

Incidentally, those who stay in West Bengal may be luckier than the rest of us. All you have to do is to locate a good 'Dasakarma Bhandar' in your city/town. Just ask for 'SHORA' (NOT SODA). That is 99% pure KNO3 at a fraction of the price of the lab grade with 99.99% purity.

@VC   16-12-4-4   ;)

 ;D

16-8-4-4 also works. ;)

Yes but you wont get the amount of stars with 12.

Very true. I suppose you get a better height instead or is it duration? ??? Out of touch.

For those who are uninitiated Ashimda and I are discussing the formula for the famous Tubri firework.

16-12-4-4 stands for 16 parts KNO3 powder, 12 parts Iron filings, 4 parts each of Sulphur and Charcoal powders.

Nai nai baaten seekhne ko milti hain   :bow:

Lesson: must see threads one may not be too interested in!

Arrey Sir, aap sey seekhney ka bahut baaki hai.  :bow: (I use this smiley very rarely Iyer Sir.)

Go to www.ebay.in (http://) and type in 13-00-45 and see what you get.  ;)

Khul jaa Sim Sim!  {:)}

Grab as much as you can while it is available.

 :headscratch:
Nothing of interest   ???

Seriously Iyer Sahab? Did you search well?

I found this - 99% pure KNO3 or Potassium Nitrate.

http://www.ebay.in/itm/MultinitrateTM-FLR-03-1kg-Bag-13-00-45-/181372551286?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a3aa58076 (http://www.ebay.in/itm/MultinitrateTM-FLR-03-1kg-Bag-13-00-45-/181372551286?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a3aa58076)

Do you have a cheaper alternative available? Please let me know. I would buy 10 kgs right away.

Lack ability to recognise
NOP 13-00-45 (Imported 100% Water Soluble Foliar Spray Fertilizer)
From its picture,
Partly becasuse of not knowing what it means

We have the thing in truckloads

Nice to know that  (:|~. Any idea where we can get it in bucketloads at substantially cheaper prices?

owhooww Sir,  :o is it ture ? have you tried this ?
1 Kg KNO3 @ :Rs: 350/- only..........

it will be a golden treasure for my team....   {:)}  ;D  {:)}

 13-0-45 which indicates

13.9% Nitrogen

0% phosphorous

45% potassium

100% sure. I've been trying to contact Mr. Dorjee to give him the good news. Just can't get through to him.

i already text him  :giggle: He is in Sikkim on leave.. by next week he will be around.. our workshop will be fully active from 1st of May, we are also starting some RC activities there, do visit VC sir  :hatsoff: it'll be FUN  :salute:

Want Rocket Fuel readymade?

http://www.rcindia.org/for-sale/rocket-candy/msg182864/#msg182864 (http://www.rcindia.org/for-sale/rocket-candy/msg182864/#msg182864)

I built an 8kg rocket with around 4kgs of Rocket Candy as fuel last year! It was amazing to watch!

Wow Any video???

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Is it legal to launch sugar motor rockets in india?  ???

VC I am gonna make a sugar motor rocket this summer. Can you give some guidelines?

Dear Rocket enthusiasts,
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Oh wow, that's great!! I was looking to get into this side of the hobby for quite some time but didn't want to be limited to Rocketeers one sized motors. Could you email me with a brochure or price list at niteshagarwalchennai@gmail.com?