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« on: July 09, 2016, 09:52:26 PM »
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JJRC H8C vs Syma X5C or similar drone with camera for learning flying? I want to learn flying also learn FPV flying by adding a Vtx in it. Also I want to do more experiments later which is later part. Can anyone tell me which is best for learning flying? Also with features?


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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2016, 10:50:28 PM »
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I found symax8c very easy to manoeuvre / land than smaller quads like Cheerson 30w. Both are FPV capable. Cheerson has live transmission through wifi to apple/android (but slight lag); syma , you can attach a VTx /runcam/sjcam because it can lift few extra grams of weight.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2016, 10:16:36 AM »
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This is what i use to learn flying.

Nihui toys u807, one of the best Latrax Alias clones. Stable & brilliant handling.
Wltoys v686g 5.8g fpv cam, it's a direct fit for control lines
3.7v to 5v booster for stable cam power

Will get ~10 mins full load flight with 900mah, ~14 mins w/o cam.

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JJRC H8C vs Syma X5C or similar drone with camera for learning flying?
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2016, 11:55:25 AM »
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I found symax8c very easy to manoeuvre / land than smaller quads like Cheerson 30w. Both are FPV capable. Cheerson has live transmission through wifi to apple/android (but slight lag); syma , you can attach a VTx /runcam/sjcam because it can lift few extra grams of weight.
Does it have the receiver directly attached to PCB? Just asking so that can I able to attach external 2.4GHz Radio system like 9XR pro and X8R that I have?


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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2016, 11:59:48 AM »
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Also which is better for reliability? I don't want my quad to break in pieces just after minimal crash...


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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2016, 10:43:32 PM »
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Not worth trying to learn FPV through toy quads. They are delicate, and the FPV quality is bad.

Also, to fully enjoy FPV you will need to learn acro mode because it's really awkward to fly FPV in stabilize mode. Toy quads do not support acro mode.

My advice is spend your mind on a good mini quad. It will be durable, enjoyable to build and well worth your money.
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Not worth trying to learn FPV through toy quads. They are delicate, and the FPV quality is bad.

Also, to fully enjoy FPV you will need to learn acro mode because it's really awkward to fly FPV in stabilize mode. Toy quads do not support acro mode.

My advice is spend your mind on a good mini quad. It will be durable, enjoyable to build and well worth your money.
Hey thanks for your reply. I really appreciate it.
I want to learn normal flying too with fpv flying. Normal flying is first priority. I have Pixhawk and Sunnysky X2212 980kv motors. I was thinking to get small 400-450 sized quad frame and install all this on it and learn. It has all modes but I was worrying about the damage if I crashed it. But still the damage wil not be more then the price of such toy quads. You are right. So what about getting the quad frame and installing that motors and Pixhawk with small 3s lipo. Will be having Taranis soon. What do u think, will it be a good idea to learn on this??
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Yup, that's a good idea. However, the "normal flying" that you are talking about, is that with or without FPV?

If without FPV, then it's great to learn how to fly on a larger multitotor, and test all the modes. However, it's very hard (and not fun) to fly FPV in stabilize mode. Once you get your Taranis, you can practice acro mode on a sim (FPV Freerider costs $5) and learn that way. Once you're good enough you can build your mini quad and start flying that in acro. Make sure to select a frame and components that are easily replaceable for your first build. Get a carbon fiber frame only.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2016, 08:53:25 PM »
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Okay, but why not attach a miniVTx to a toyquad and practice FPV flying? Isn't it worth trying? ( I am also a beginner, so don't have much knowledge in this field)
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Yup, that's a good idea. However, the "normal flying" that you are talking about, is that with or without FPV?

If without FPV, then it's great to learn how to fly on a larger multitotor, and test all the modes. However, it's very hard (and not fun) to fly FPV in stabilize mode. Once you get your Taranis, you can practice acro mode on a sim (FPV Freerider costs $5) and learn that way. Once you're good enough you can build your mini quad and start flying that in acro. Make sure to select a frame and components that are easily replaceable for your first build. Get a carbon fiber frame only.
Normal flying means without FPV I meant to say. I agree that I wil get fun building it and also try to learn Pixhawk more (like tuning and all other flight modes). I also agreed that it's a good idea. And yes will learn normal flying with that quad. Pixhawk has acro mode and then installing FPV system on that 450 quad, I can learn to fly and then I can learn on smaller 250 sized superfast racer quads. Thanks.


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Okay, but why not attach a miniVTx to a toyquad and practice FPV flying? Isn't it worth trying? ( I am also a beginner, so don't have much knowledge in this field)

The main problem is that toy quads can only be flown in stabilize mode, and it's really bad for FPV. The issue is that your camera will either be angled upwards or kept straight. If it is angled upwards, you will be able to fly fine while you are moving, but if you stop to hover, the camera will be pointed to the sky and you won't be able to see much. On the other hand, if you mount it straight, then you will see fine when hovering, but during movement it will be pointed to the ground and it will be difficult to fly. In acro mode the camera is kept angled upwards and the quad is always angled forward to compensate for it. As a beginner you will want to mount the camera straight forward until you get a hang of FPV.

Also, toy quads do not have the level of control that a good radio and FC can provide. Toy quads are a bit robust to fly and as such should be kept for LoS flying only. They are great for learning to fly in stabilize, and it's very much worth investing in so that you get enough experience to not crash your bigger quads.

My own personal experience is that I've tried to fly a crawler type frame with FPV in stabilize mode. It's very difficult to do it since my camera was always angled to the ground and I couldn't tell where I was going and if I was ascending/descending.
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Thanks! That explains a lot!
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2016, 05:52:31 AM »
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I learnt how to fly quads with a large 500 size build- a Reptile 500 frame with SunnySKy X2212s. I then built a racer recently on which I learnt to fly FPV. It was quite difficult at first but I eventually got the hang of it without too much damage. The most important thing is to have plenty of space. I'd also skip any levelling modes in FPV and go straight to acro. I recently installed FPV on the Reptile as well and it is extremely annoying to fly in stabilise mode. Now I'm also considering getting an indoor FPV quad, similar to the Tiny Whoop craze going around (a Blade Inductrix quadcopter with upgraded motors, LiPo and an FPV setup). Check out Tiny Whoop on Youtube. I'm planning to use an Eachine H8 with an AIO FPV cam + VTx. You can even flash it with custom firmware to get acro mode (search for "Eachine H8 acro firmware") and build a module with Arduino and an NRF24L01 to control it from your main Tx instead of the clumsy RTF one.
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