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Title: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 23, 2015, 10:27:33 PM
Self Explanatory topic, need Pros and Cons .Some notes:
1> Upgrading my radio from FS-CT6b to FS-TH9x
2> Main motive is to upgrade to FPV.
3> VERY much interested in Failsafe and GPS

. Also along with these settled:
1> How difficult is the starting procedure of setting up the board ?
2> What all Mods are available ? GPS, Telemetry etc ??
3> The Only boards I used earlier were KK2.0 and KK2.1, so will using the APM be fine ?

AND ONE MORE THING,

APM 2.8 vs APM2.6 whats the difference and since its Open-Source, same SW applies to both or what ?


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: VTOLkarthik on January 24, 2015, 08:25:08 AM
Am planning to gt one too.. Since my kk2.1 gt burnt I tot of getting cc3d or apm bt dont knw which 1 to get...


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: sooraj.palakkad on January 24, 2015, 08:48:28 AM
I am upgrading to CC3D, but now confused on the CC3D versions, seems the Revolution platform has RTH, and Mission planning features, but don't know whether the cheaply available CC3D board is actually Revo version.


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: santhosh-r on January 24, 2015, 09:10:33 AM
if you're looking for cheap CC3D version , look at these links
http://www.banggood.com/OpenPilot-CC3D-Flight-Controller-Bent-Pin-STM32-32-bit-Flexiport-p-956366.html (http://www.banggood.com/OpenPilot-CC3D-Flight-Controller-Bent-Pin-STM32-32-bit-Flexiport-p-956366.html)
http://www.banggood.com/OpenPilot-CC3D-Flight-Controller-STM32-32-bit-Flexiport-p-937044.html (http://www.banggood.com/OpenPilot-CC3D-Flight-Controller-STM32-32-bit-Flexiport-p-937044.html)


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: sooraj.palakkad on January 24, 2015, 09:24:37 AM
@Santhosh sir, I was looking at the same deals. It seam it is the olde CC3D wth out GPS Interface or RTH or Waypoint navigation features. Still I am not sure, because I can't find any documentation on how to distinguish b/w Older CC3D and CC3D Revo (Revolution platform) . What I am looking for is Revo Platform.


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 09:32:07 AM
whats the difference between CC3D and APM ?


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: subhashjk0508 on January 24, 2015, 09:32:57 AM
APM is a walk in the park!! just install the firmware, look at the motor config. and your up and running!! but after that you have tuning to do, initially taking it up is not difficult, later too but few youtube videos will help!! and you can go for gps!!

but i would not suggest telemtry as the range is very less compared to FPV, so a good option is itelemetry from immersionrc which is cheap and gives the same range as your fpv setup because it uses your FPV for telem. data!!

one more think is the CC3D available with gps and does it support fixed wing??

regards,
JK


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 09:35:01 AM


but i would not suggest telemtry as the range is very less compared to FPV, so a good option is itelemetry from immersionrc which is cheap and gives the same range as your fpv setup because it uses your FPV for telem. data!!



regards,
JK


What does this mean ? I shouldnt get the telemetry kit ?
how much does the immersionRC one cost ?


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: subhashjk0508 on January 24, 2015, 09:47:44 AM
you see my Talon build is for long range and my radio and FPV gives me more than enough, but my telemetry runs on 900 or 433mhz and just 100mw, which gives me very less range, so first the osd gave me all the info as the actual one, but if i want the data to be displayed on my ipad i can get the itelemetry from hk for around 20$!! but one disadvantage is if you use the itelemetry you cant change the flight parameters like waypoint!!

regards,
JK


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: RCNeil21 on January 24, 2015, 10:06:27 AM
Also flash the fs9x with er9x and put in a frsky module. Its better for the long run if you are getting into fpv. You dont want all your costly gear getting lost. Even with all failsafes and stuff in apm you should have a solid all around fpv system. Do not compromise.


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 10:16:19 AM
where can i get the specific module ?


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: subhashjk0508 on January 24, 2015, 10:50:47 AM
HK


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 10:51:31 AM
link ?


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: subhashjk0508 on January 24, 2015, 11:12:54 AM
http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__1428__1423__Radios_Receivers-Modules.html (http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__1428__1423__Radios_Receivers-Modules.html)


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 11:16:40 AM
so which module for range and telemetry ? also, and LHS link of it ?
Sorry for asking s many questions i dont have mucj idea of these :P


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: subhashjk0508 on January 24, 2015, 11:41:37 AM
Follow this link for range, telemetry display on your radio!!

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2170262 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2170262)

JK


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
will see that, but any LHS link selling the Tele module in india ?


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: subhashjk0508 on January 24, 2015, 11:48:40 AM
Contact rcproduct.in or indianhobbyshop!!

Regards
JK


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 11:49:58 AM
alright then :)


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 12:12:18 PM
http://www.rcproduct.in/2-4ghz-frsky-accst-india/22-frsky-djt-24ghz-combo-pack-for-jr-w-telemetry-module-v8fr-ii-rx.html (http://www.rcproduct.in/2-4ghz-frsky-accst-india/22-frsky-djt-24ghz-combo-pack-for-jr-w-telemetry-module-v8fr-ii-rx.html)

this one right ?

can the range be increased ?


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: SideWinder on January 24, 2015, 12:16:54 PM

Self Explanatory topic, need Pros and Cons .Some notes:
1> Upgrading my radio from FS-CT6b to FS-TH9x
2> Main motive is to upgrade to FPV.
3> VERY much interested in Failsafe and GPS

Its not necessary to upgrade your Tx, but its definitely helpful having more than 6channels. Go for taranis instead of th9x, as you would reap the benefits of spending those extra $ when you get a hang of it with lot more opportunities for mods..If you are going in for FPV, estimate whats the additional payload thats going to be added, and select motors accordingly.

. Also along with these settled:
1> How difficult is the starting procedure of setting up the board ?
Its not as easy as stated earlier, there are many small things which need to taken care of as you keep building, but if you have already worked with an FC, then its going to be easy to a certain extent.

2> What all Mods are available ? GPS, Telemetry etc ??
There is gps/mag,bluetooth,telemetry,power module,ultrasonic sensor, it depends on on what you need out of your copter. Im flying FPV without a telemetry so it depends on what you want

3> The Only boards I used earlier were KK2.0 and KK2.1, so will using the APM be fine ?
Yes, you just need to read more @ http://copter.ardupilot.com/wiki/table-of-contents/ (http://copter.ardupilot.com/wiki/table-of-contents/) and you wont have as many doubts as you have right now.

AND ONE MORE THING,

APM 2.8 vs APM2.6 whats the difference and since its Open-Source, same SW applies to both or what ?

The difference is that they have removed some of the issues that were there 2.6, but I have been using 2.6 without any issues tho yet its better to use the latest version. And yes the same OSS works for APM 2.x



Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 12:34:23 PM
thanks sidewinder, helped a lot :)

though transis is well beyond my budget so i dont think i can go for it now. hell couldnt even afford a 9xr so settled with the 9x


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: SK1701 on January 24, 2015, 12:39:20 PM
I think getting the Taranis is the best choice in the long run. It has a stock range of almost 2km and telemetry is very useful for FPV. It will save you the hassle and additional costs of modding your 9x and you had almost mentioned that you don't want to have to solder. The telemetry mod for the 9x is very difficult and involves fine soldering. I hope to get one if I have any family visiting Hong Kong (210$ from HobbyKing).. For me, the 9x has the advantage of being compatible with WLToys helis (which I want to get).


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 12:41:04 PM
i will need to do soldering for Telemetry on 9x :P ??? NO!!!! :'(

What if i leave telemetry and just rely on the OSD ?


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: SideWinder on January 24, 2015, 12:51:52 PM
Since th9x is modulable, you have many options to move beyond stock module.
Frsky would be the one to opt for, or you can go with Orange 433mhz modules for long range but I strongly recommend frsky modules. And frsky range of 1-1.5kms is more than enough IMO in a copter specifically  .

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__14349__FrSky_DJT_2_4Ghz_Combo_Pack_for_JR_w_Telemetry_Module_V8FR_II_RX.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__14349__FrSky_DJT_2_4Ghz_Combo_Pack_for_JR_w_Telemetry_Module_V8FR_II_RX.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__41609__FrSky_XJT_2_4Ghz_Combo_Pack_for_JR_w_Telemetry_Module_X8R_8_16Ch_S_BUS_ACCST_Telemetry_Receiver.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__41609__FrSky_XJT_2_4Ghz_Combo_Pack_for_JR_w_Telemetry_Module_X8R_8_16Ch_S_BUS_ACCST_Telemetry_Receiver.html)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__43852__OrangeRX_Open_LRS_433MHz_Transmitter_1W_JR_Compatible_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__43852__OrangeRX_Open_LRS_433MHz_Transmitter_1W_JR_Compatible_.html)

You just need a power module, apm 2.x and gps/mag module to get it up and running. Telemetry,osd etc are secondary upgrades which can be carried on later as you move ahead and not necessary in the beginning. Telemetry gives you alternate control for APM  as compared to OSD which only overlays data in FPV feed.

FYI: frsky two way module has inbuilt audible alarm which begins squeaking when you are moving out of range.



Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 01:03:03 PM
the link i posted, ts the same one ?


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: radiocraft on January 24, 2015, 05:59:02 PM
I'm selling the full APM kit, any1 interested please let me know.!


Title: Re: Upgrading from KK2.1 to APM
Post by: parichya.gautam on January 24, 2015, 10:53:27 PM
APM 2.6 right ? what was the price again ?