I got this extract  from a friend of the govt circular  :

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Thursday, June 02, 2005
    Ministry of Communications & Information Technology   
    
GOVERNMENT DELICENSES USE OF LOW POWER DEVICES AND SIMPLIFIES AMATEUR RADIO LICENCES
________________________________________
    17:0 IST
    
    In pursuance of the simplification of wireless licensing procedures, Government has decided to de-license the use of low power devices (1 milliwatt) for Electronically Operated Cranes on selected frequencies and use of low power equipment in the frequency band 26.957 – 27.283 MHz commonly known as Citizen Band, with 5 Watt Effective Radiated Power and built-in antenna, on non-interference, non-protection and shared (non-exclusive) basis . Notification is likely to be issued shortly. Persons who are using such Citizen Band equipment for hobbies like aero-modelling, mountaineering, trekking and for radio control of models etc., can operate without a licence.

In addition, Government has also simplified the Radio Amateur licenses. So far the Amateur licences were issued for a maximum period of 5 years. Now a Radio Amateur licence can be issued for a period of ‘20 years’ or for ‘life time’ at the option of the applicant. Henceforth, the amateurs need not approach the department repeatedly for the renewal of the licence.

Government has already delicensed use of wireless equipment in the frequency band 2.4 to 2.4835 GHz with effective radiated power up to 4 watts, in line with the international practice, for indoor and outdoor applications on non-protection, non-interference and non-exclusive basis (share use of radio spectrum) and indoor use of low power equipment in the frequency bands 5.150 to 5.350 GHz and 5.725 – 5.875 GHz. This should encourage use of Wi-Fi & similar equipment. The use of low power Radio Frequency Identification Devices (RFID) in 865 – 867 MHz has also been delicensed.

Further details can be had from website: http://www.dot.gov.in/

RM/AMA-020605 Wireless Licensing

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I know there will be many knowledgeable souls here who will know this much better than I do  but this is for  others who don't .

So it appears from this that 2.4G below 5 Watts is OK  though I don't know or understand what this mean
"" built-in antenna, on non-interference, non-protection and shared (non-exclusive) basis ""

I remember Sahil mentioning this before .

So Now My Futaba 6 Exa is Legal with its 2.4 G addition   no need to mention the other freq. on it  

Thanks  to Anwar for having fought so hard for 2.4 G

Sai

It is still not.
Please refer this url on latest 2009 circular which speaks about Equipment Type Approval for delicenced band radio equipments. Which means that even though there is delicencing there still remains requirment of ETA. You may please refer the last line of the post

 http://210.212.79.13/Static/EquipmentTypeApproval.html  

I have also appended the notifications which you were refering in your post.

Government of India
Ministry of Communications and Information Technology
(Wireless Planning and Coordination Wing)

NOTIFICATION
New Delhi, 10th January, 2007.

   G.S.R.34 (E).- In exercise of the powers conferred by sections 4 and 7 of the Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 (13 of 1885) and sections 4 and 10 of the Indian Wireless Telegraphy Act, 1933 (17 of 1933), the Central Government hereby makes the following rules to amend the Use of low power wireless equipment in 335 MHz for remote control of cranes (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Rules, 2005, namely:-

1.    (1)    These rules may be called the Use of low power wireless equipment in 335 MHz for remote control of cranes (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Amendment Rules, 2006.

(2)   They shall come into force on the date of their publication in the Official Gazette.
   
2.   In the said rules, for rule 4, the following rule shall be substituted, namely:-   

“4.   Interference.-  The effect of unwanted energy due to one or a combination of emissions, radiations or induction upon reception in a radio communication system, manifested by any performance degradation, misinterpretation, or loss of information which could be extracted in the absence of such unwanted energy, where any person whom a licence has been issued under section 4 of the Act, informs that his licensed system is getting harmful interference from any other radio communication system exempted under these rules, the user of such unlicensed wireless equipment shall take necessary steps to avoid interference by relocating the equipment, reducing the power, using special type of antennae including discontinuation of such wireless use, if required:

   Provided that, before such discontinuation, a reasonable opportunity to explain the circumstances shall be offered to such unlicensed user of wireless equipment.”

[No. R-11014/31/2004-LR]


(P Chandrasekharan), Asst Wireless Advisor

Note:    The principal rules were published in the Gazette of India, Part II, Section 3, Sub-Section (i), dated the 12th August, 2005, vide notification No.532 (E), dated the 12th August, 2005.







Government of India
Ministry of Communications and Information Technology
(Wireless Planning and Coordination Wing)

NOTIFICATION
New Delhi, 10th January, 2007.

   G.S.R.35 (E).- In exercise of the powers conferred by sections 4 and 7 of the Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 (13 of 1885) and sections 4 and 10 of the Indian Wireless Telegraphy Act, 1933 (17 of 1933), the Central Government hereby makes the following rules to amend the Use of low power wireless equipment in the citizen band 26.957-27.283 MHz (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Rules, 2005, namely:-

1.    (1)    These rules may be called the Use of low power wireless equipment in the citizen band 26.957-27.283 MHz (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Amendment Rules, 2006.
(2)   They shall come into force on the date of their publication in the Official Gazette.
   
2.   In the said rules, for rule 4, the following rule shall be substituted, namely:-   

“4.   Interference.-  The effect of unwanted energy due to one or a combination of emissions, radiations or induction upon reception in a radio communication system, manifested by any performance degradation, misinterpretation, or loss of information which could be extracted in the absence of such unwanted energy, where any person whom a licence has been issued under section 4 of the Act, informs that his licensed system is getting harmful interference from any other radio communication system exempted under these rules, the indoor user of such unlicensed wireless equipment shall take necessary steps to avoid interference by relocating the equipment, reducing the power, using special type of antennae including discontinuation of such wireless use, if required:

   Provided that, before such discontinuation, a reasonable opportunity to explain the circumstances shall be offered to such unlicensed user of wireless equipment.”

[No. R-11014/31/2004-LR]


(P Chandrasekharan), Asst Wireless Advisor

Note:    The principal rule were published in the Gazette of India, Part II, Section 3, Sub Section (i), dated the 12th August, 2005, vide notification No.533 (E), dated the 12th August, 2005.









                                                        Government of India
Ministry of Communications and Information Technology
(Wireless Planning and Coordination Wing)
 
   NOTIFICATION
      New Delhi, 10th January, 2007.
                    
            G.S.R.36 (E).- In exercise of the powers conferred by sections 4 and 7 of the Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 (13 of 1885) and sections 4 and 10 of the Indian Wireless Telegraphy Act, 1933 (17 of 1933), the Central Government hereby makes the following rules, to amend the “Use of low power Equipment in the frequency band 865 – 867 MHz for (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Rules, 2005.”  namely:-                      
1.    (1) These rules may be called the Use of low power Equipment in the frequency band 865 – 867 MHz for (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Amendment Rules, 2006.
 
(2)    They shall come into force on the date of their publication in the Official Gazette.
 
2.   In Rule 3, the words “shared (non-Exclusive)“ shall be substituted in place of “non-exclusive”

3.   In the said rules, for rule 4, the following rule shall be substituted.-

“4.   Interference.-  The effect of unwanted energy due to one or a combination of emissions, radiations or induction upon reception in a radio communication system, manifested by any performance degradation, misinterpretation, or loss of information which could be extracted in the absence of such unwanted energy, where any person whom a licence has been issued under section 4 of the Act, informs that his licensed system is getting harmful interference from any other radio communication system exempted under these rules, the indoor user of such unlicensed wireless equipment shall take necessary steps to avoid interference by relocating the equipment, reducing the power, using special type of antennae including discontinuation of such wireless use, if required:

   Provided that, before such discontinuation, a reasonable opportunity to explain the circumstances shall be offered to such unlicensed user of wireless equipment.”

( No.R-11014/23/2004-LR )


                                                         (P.Chandrasekharan), Assistant Wireless Advisor.

Note:    The principal rule were published in the Gazette of India, Part II, Section 3, Sub-Section (i), dated the 11th March, 2005, vide notification No.168 (E), dated the 11th March, 2005.



Government of India
Ministry of Communications and Information Technology
(Wireless Planning and Coordination Wing)

NOTIFICATION
New Delhi, 10th January, 2007

   G.S.R.37 (E).- In exercise of the powers conferred by sections 4 and 7 of the Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 (13 of 1885) and sections 4 and 10 of the Indian Wireless Telegraphy Act, 1933 (17 of 1933), the Central Government hereby makes the following rules to amend the Indoor Use of low power wireless equipment in the frequency band 5 GHz (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Rules, 2005, namely:-

1.    (1)    These rules may be called the Indoor use of low power wireless equipment in the frequency band 5 GHz (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Amendment Rules, 2006 .
(2)   They shall come into force on the date of their publication in the Official Gazette.

2.   In the Indoor use of low power wireless equipment in the frequency band 5 GHz (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Rule, 2005 (hereafter referred to as the said rules), in rule 3, after the words “coverage area”  , the words “on non-interference, non-protection and shared (non-exclusive) basis” shall be inserted.

3.   In the said rules, for rule 4, the following rule shall be substituted, namely:-   

“4.   Interference.-  The effect of unwanted energy due to one or a combination of emissions, radiations or induction upon reception in a radio communication system, manifested by any performance degradation, misinterpretation, or loss of information which could be extracted in the absence of such unwanted energy, where any person whom a licence has been issued under section 4 of the Act, informs that his licensed system is getting harmful interference from any other radio communication system exempted under these rules, the indoor user of such unlicensed wireless equipment shall take necessary steps to avoid interference by relocating the equipment, reducing the power, using special type of antennae including discontinuation of such wireless use, if required:

   Provided that, before such discontinuation, a reasonable opportunity to explain the circumstances shall be offered to such unlicensed user of wireless equipment.”

[No. R-11014/31/2004-LR]


(P Chandrasekharan), Asst Wireless Advisor

Note:    The principal rule were published in the Gazette of India, Part II, Section 3, Sub-Section (i), dated the 28th January, 2005, vide notification No.46 (E), dated the 28th January, 2005.



 
                                                         Government of India
Ministry of Communications and Information Technology
(Wireless Planning and Coordination Wing)

NOTIFICATION
New Delhi, the 19th January, 2007.

G.S.R.38 (E). - In exercise of the powers conferred by sections 4 and 7 of the Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 (13 of 1885) and sections 4 and 10 of the Indian Wireless Telegraphy Act, 1933 (17 of 1933), the Central Government hereby makes the following rules, namely:-

1.   Short title and commencement.- (1) These rules may be called the Outdoor Use of  wireless Equipment  (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Rules, 2007.

(2)   They shall come into force on the date of their publication in the Official Gazette.

2.   Definition.- In these rules, unless the context otherwise requires,-

(a) “Act” means the Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 (13 of 1885);

(b) “Effective Isotropic Radiated Power” includes the gain of the antenna, if any;

(c) words and expressions used in these rules and not defined but defined in the Act and the Indian Wireless Telegraphy Act, 1933 (17 of 1933), shall have the same meanings respectively as assigned to them in those Acts.

3.   Use of wireless equipment in the 5.825 to 5.875 GHz.- Notwithstanding anything contained in any law for the time being in force, no licence shall be required by any person to establish, maintain, work, possess or deal in any wireless equipment for the purpose of low power Wireless Access System, including Radio Local Area Networks, in  the frequency band of 5.825 to 5.875 GHz with the Maximum Effective Isotropic Radiated Power and maximum power of transmitter as specified in the Table below, namely:-
TABLE
Frequency band   Maximum power of transmitter   Maximum Effective Isotropic Radiated Power
(1)   (2)   (3)
5.825 to 5.875 GHz   1 W (30 dbm) in spread of 10 MHz or higher.   4 Watt peak or 36 dbm






-2-

4.   Interference-  The effect of unwanted energy due to one or a combination of emissions, radiations or induction upon reception in a radio communication system, manifested by any performance degradation, misinterpretation, or loss of information which could be extracted in the absence of such unwanted energy, where any person whom a licence has been issued under section 4 of the Act, informs that his licensed system is getting harmful interference from any other radio communication system exempted under these rules, the outdoor user of such unlicensed wireless equipment shall take necessary steps to avoid interference by relocating the equipment, reducing the power or by, using special type of antennae and the Central Government may with a view to ensure smooth functioning of the communication system direct the discontinuance of such Wireless use. Provided that, before such discontinuation, a reasonable opportunity to explain the circumstances shall be offered to such unlicensed user of wireless equipment.

5.   Equipment.-  (1) The wireless equipment shall be type approved and designed and constructed in such a manner that the bandwidth of emission and other parameters shall conform to the limits specified in the Table referred to in rule 3.

(2)  The application for obtaining equipment type approval shall be made to the Central Government in such form as may be required by that Government in this behalf.[No. R-11014/31/2004-LR]


(M. K. Rao)
Asstt. Wireless Adviser

So Flyingboxcar  I assume you have got all the approvals knowing all this for your use ( since I am sure  you are using a Radio as well ) .
Please share it with us and guide us how to do it as well as we could use it as a precedence and get our selves all that it takes  .
May be we guys should appoint you as the consultant to get it  .

hey guys we found the right guy to help us out give him a big hand   here is our Saviour
I knew all along that there has to be someone like him  around in the forum to help and guide us since I am sure he already has the type approval in his hands for his radio considering his knowledge level on the subject  .


Sai

BTW barring all he say's  for all practical purposes the first circular will serve us well if and when needed on the field  if at all required in any eventuality as that circular does not specify the need for ETA hence half  knowledgeable guys  like us  " are ignorant of such a need"
The Circular says this is to encourage Wi Fi and similar equipment  as well so we are happy with that as well .

We are not legally knowledgeable blokes  so we are happy with this circular and don't  find the need to look beyond  and analyse things like a lawyer  so as far as we are concerned  we are within the law : right   .

I am sure  you guys understand what I mean    .

So if any one questions us we have this circular to say it is allowed then it is on the other guy to prove we are wrong so unless the other guy is like Flyingboxcar  we are safe 

sai

Dude... you woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something ?  

All FBC was saying is that there are more strings attached.  Isn't it better to be aware of that, if the need ever arises ?

From his posts, he looks like someone who has been around RC for a while; and the information seems valid/relevant. Why are you taking him up for that ?  

What's wrong with you now a days everything I say seems to taken the wrong way round by you  

All I am saying it that unless there are knowledgeable guys like FBC   asking us questions the general guys who  we might encounter at check posts etc will not be even aware of the strings in the first place so in practical terms we are relatively safe . so if we print a copy of this circular and carry it with us we a practically safe to the extent of 90 - 95 % .

Further FBC knowing so much should be having a type approved radio why can't this be used as a precedence which will help all of us so I said he could be our Saviour, especially considering his knowledge on the subject . If he does not have it so be it no issues .

There are professionals like CA's , CS's etc who make a living out of using law to your advantage hence from that point of view I said that the circular gives us and element of safety .

In India the law always has 2 sides unlike the Gulf where it is unilateral .

Anwar I did not expect everything I say to be looked at sceptically    May be the 2.4 G argument we had lingers in your mind and you are reading too much between the lines .I from my side have forgotten it except for a few light jabs at each other .

I think I better reduce my comments  you seem to to taking my remarks the wrong way round here now a days  and let you get over the long argument we had and come back later  

Sai

I will be honest with you, for a change 

I felt this may develop into something nasty between you and someone else.  Between you and me, we already have a love-hate relationship, and we sort of understand each other      So I better take the heat than someone else.  Hope it is clear, and you understand my intentions.

It is the provocative (!) topics from people like you which keeps this forum lively    In hindsight, I could have PMed you, but then many people have seen your posts already.

From my experience with the powers that be, not regarding rc but with other areas of bureaucracy, I have found that a paper with rules is not going to elicit a favourable response from the guy who is out to get u or some $s. The guy in power is always of the attitude that he knows all and once we try to prove something to the contrary, he gets defensive. If he plans to have a go at u, he is gonna have his way regardless of whatever.......The best way I feel is to arrive at a compromise for the moment and fly another day. Treat the situation just as u treat a confrontation with a traffic guy.............. he can always come up with a way to fine u no matter what............
jus my opinion......

Agreed !!!!!!!  good practical thinking  that is what is real life  ,
Guys I am only supporting him   I  only hope this cannot be mistaken to mean something else  .
BTW  you must be a guy with a Marketing background  am I right 
 

sai

Sir,
U R absolutely right on that one
ten full years
Edwin

The practical approach to such problems comes only from Experience in the real life  .
It starts with the Railway T.C. when you step on to the first train for your first tour without a reservation

sai

Hi Flyingboxcar ( Capt. Manish ),
Sorry I addressed you earlier as Flyingboxcar  and FBC I did not know it was you till Gauravag told me so.

So here goes again :

Hi Capt. manish

BTW if I have hurt you unintentionally with my lousy undiplomatic writing sorry for that it was not intended to be so at all. .
I feel so much at home here thanks to Anwar that I tend to write like how I would talk at home  

I guess after the recent news etc. anything that  gives a semblance of  relief is avenue  to be explored .

BTW how does one go about this type approval business an organization  like an educational institution or registered club etc  should be a better bet I guess . I have been toying with the idea and approached  an educational institution  to move  for this purpose which FM frequency do you think stands the best chance of getting thru among  say 35 , 40 and 72 . I assume if we can get something like this worked out however long shot it be then we can use the same as precedence for our use what say.

Anwar I hope I have  been diplomatic enough now  

Sai

P.S. Capt. Welcome to RCINDIA from my side  

Sai sir,
No offences, but per your mail you are happy to live with your version of the circular and think that that would suffice. Any way would love to disspell that myth too, there is an adage in law enforcement/Judicial circles which says "Ignorance of the law is no excuse".
As for helping every one with the type approval, you know I am in the sme boat as every one else. Going by the fact that any equipment being sold in the country on any of these delicenced bands the importer/seller gets (or must be getting) the type approval and not every buyer goes individually to the WPC to get these. Going by these facts, maybe all the sellers in the country can get the RC equipments they deal in type approved, so that buyers like us can buy in peace and be not afraid of being on the wrong side of the law.

And BTW no marks for guessing my line of work       

BTW how does one go about this type approval business an organization  like an educational institution or registered club etc  should be a better bet I guess . I have been toying with the idea and approached  an educational institution  to move  for this purpose which FM frequency do you think stands the best chance of getting thru among  say 35 , 40 and 72 . I assume if we can get something like this worked out however long shot it be then we can use the same as precedence for our use what say.

Sai sir,
The business of going about to get type approval is given at the url at the begining of my post which got your goat .
In my opinion the best bet is 2.4 and they would not even consider other FM bands as these are allocated to other use on exclusive basis. I think once an equipment is type approved (say a particular model from a particular manufactruer) it is included in thier type library and thereafter if the equipment is on any of the delicenced band one is free to trade or use it without any licence.
As of today that would be the best bet for all of us.  
However  if you refer the first page it says that this type approval is only foir Indian agencies and any foriegen manufacturerer has to give an authorization to the Indian agency, now there is the catch where it would be really difficult to get something from all the reputed manufacturerers

So what you are saying practically rules of aero clubs
What if an educational institution was to ask for an approval to use specific equipment for development and conducting of training in practical aero modeling saying it is required to add to the course content and request for any easily available FM band and give a whole lot of explanation of economy for students etc with documents to support  it .
Under such circumstances
1) what do you evaluate to be the chances ?
2) Which freq. stands the best chance ?
3) Would the type approval be for only a brand or will it cover all similar equipment that fall in the same class.

Capt . This may be a hypothetical question but I am just exploring a possible route .

I know matters look sealed but from my experience attempting something seemingly impossible have worked out as the worst case scenerio is what you are already at in any case so if at all there is a result it can only be better  

The Big names of the radio world might not be the ones to look at , better known Chinese brands like E Fly , W fly etc could be a route . Like for example the 6 channel radio you use on your glider " Turborix ".These could be an affordable route for students hence provide a justifiable reason for requesting a frequency .

Just brain storming  as I thought of such a route but felt it would be worthwhile discussing with you guys here as a possible way out .

Also if you were to name two frequencies that stands the best chance of getting thru between 35 ,36, 40 , 41 , 72 
Which would you pick ? forget all other arguments just name the frequencies
Sai

Guys,

I dumb question....

Why are we attempting to get a licence? Has any one faced a problem with the law till now?

Pankaj

Sai sir,
As said earliear, these frequencies are reserved and I will tell you for whom - "The armed forces" I have used radio sets (voice communication) on all these frequencies where I could use any any frequency from 29 to 80 something if I remember it right for communication with the Govt provided radio sets, therefore any chances of asking for these frequencies is in my opinion futile unless these have been vaccated by the armed forces  
As for type approval - From what I see on the WPC site it looks like each individual model of radio (Tx and Rx) set would have to go through the purpose. IMHO the best chance is for 2.4, however educational institutes may get approval under experimental category but not under the desired frequency in which sets are readily available. The National Frequency allocation table would tell you more on this

Capt.
Relevant pages of the National freq. allocation table .
http://is.gd/2avUp
Looks like civilian applications are there in the freq from 27 till 75 Mhz apart from defence.
Especially those of our interest as below

35 and 36  Mhz :30.01 - 37.5   FIXED MOBILE  IND 09

40 Mhz 40.02-40.98   FIXED MOBILE
                    40.98-41.015  FIXED MOBILE Space Research

41 Mhz 41.015-44  FIXED MOBILE  IND 02

72 Mhz  68---74.8  FIXED  MOBILE  IND 05

Though like you said it  might   also be used by Defence forces it looks to be mostly used for Mobiles if my understanding is right , if that be the case I don't think defense would be operating their communications on these bands any longer for obvious security reasons.

Would be interesting to see others take on this I might be completely wrong I accept .

sai

Sai,

1st you say on another thread we should not be discussing this and then you have started this thread.

Regarding your clarifications on this pls note that fixed mobile does not mean mobile phones. They are 2G and are moving to 3G. Spectrum is sold like to telecom companies and is a scarce commodity the 3G is being auctioned for thousands of crores. I completely agree with FBC that spectrum is with the defence. Also no where does the national freq allocation table say for defence use. Here fixed mobile means fixed (either rx or tx) for communication like space research (maybe used by isro).

All over the world only citizen bands are used for RC.

Also are the chinese brands that you refer to have passed FCC regulations ?? and have all required test certificates as required. Are they the actual manufacturer or are they being rebranded by a trading company in HK like hobby city.

I am not getting at anyone as you referred to in another topic.
 

I have already accepted I may be wrong  I am not knowledgeable like you guys .

You and Manish might be right I accept just asked a clarification  so be it.
Thanks for your explanation
You Rock Katty , know everything about RC 
I also agree with Manish 2.4 g is the best

Sai

No one here is saying that they know everything. Pls just sharing information. Pls do not get upset 

I think FBC ( Manish) will also agree.

Not true. In the UK they use 35 & 36 MHz bands, Europe has 40. US has 72 for Airplanes and 75 +50 for surface models (cars, boats etc.). This is to ensure there is no possible interference from an "invisble" transmitter.

So to summarize, let everyone settle for 2.4 ? 

Wish some of the premium brands are a bit cheaper. Now most people are buying premium radios and then doing Assan hacks; which puts them back in the crosshairs (not that anyone has asked; but the recent Mumbai news is an example).

Does this make Spektrum DX6is the perfect budget radio for India (one without any 72 or other frequencies on them) ?

Just something that crossed my mind....... an attempt at humor in an otherwise serious forum topic....... If it is out of context.... it probably is.......... it may be moved to the chatter zone

So let me begin,
Long long ago, so long ago, no body really knows how long ago, there lived a kid named Pandora. She was a favourite of the gods and was gifted with a fortune. She was enjoyin the high life when Zeus gave her a box with instruction never to open it under any circumstances. But eventually, just like every other lady under the sun, curiosity got the better of her and she opened the box............... and then ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE
The till then peaceful world was instantly filled with chaos and trouble, problems and tribulations from the box......................................... but then the box also held something else................ HOPE

Hope for a better tomorrow......
Hope for order...............
and for us
Hope for a better environment to pursue our hobbies with the peace of mind...........

May hope prevail!