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« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2014, 02:34:28 PM »
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If any Transmitter receiver model is already type approved by any fellow modeler in India , can anyone use that approval for his individual import?
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« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2014, 02:40:43 PM »
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Please use search !  This has been answered many many times before.  Short answer, approval can be re-used, but still need to get import permit for full legality.

http://www.rcindia.org/search2?search=wpc+import+approval

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/strict-rules-on-parcel-importing-!!!/msg22616/#msg22616

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/anything-and-everything-hobby-king/msg150630/#msg150630

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-general-topics/airport-customs-issues/msg90960/#msg90960

http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/list-of-all-radios-with-wpc-approval-so-far/msg82538/#msg82538

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« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2014, 04:38:51 PM »
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Thanks sir..
Import license is a  personal document i think ?
Secondly , for importing same Radio again , we need to apply for Import license again or same will do ?
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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2014, 08:57:44 PM »
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interesting discussion. I want to say little, yet already mentioned above still writing so newbie can understand easily. Here two different terms are applied:

1) ETA: Equipment Type Approval- This is a Certificate given by (may be some identified laboratories Who deals in Electronics Research) approved agencies. This certificate declares that the said instrument/ equipment emits radio frequency within specified limits announced by WPC, in our cases 2.4Ghz and 30dbm(1W). ETA belongs to an equipment AND not to a person or company/agency.
For simple understanding, I compare ETA as a new automobile Vehicle product that is tobe launched to run on Indian Road, the manufacturer must take approval from some Govt. Agencies (e.g. RTO) that this vehicle is fit for to run on the road. We never exercise this in case of automobile as the manufacturer is also too much interested to obtain such "permission" because of his business interest. While in case of "our" TxRx the foreign manufacturer will not take interest to for ETA because of no extra benefit.

2) De-licensed band or free to use band or 2.4 Ghz Band is free to use- To understand this I want to brief a little.

There is different spectrums http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum  or band of radio frequency in our atmosphere. These different radio frequencies are being used by different people- may be individuals (e.g. Aero/car/ship modelers, Ham radio operators)  or private companies (e.g. FM radio channels or TV channels, mobile phone service providers) or government agencies (e.g.police, forest, coast guard, military) and may be there could more user groups. when one (individual or private company) want to use or take advantage of one or more frequency he has to obtain license from WPC (like if i want to drive a car [or any engine driven automobile] i have to obtain license from RTO irrespective of ownership of a car). But one who don't want to transmit radio frequency but only want to receive like TV or Radio receiver are not required to obtain license, like you are co-passenger in a car.

If i recall my memory, there where some year ago some low powered two vehicles were launched in market, if i don't forget Mofa and one model of Luna (and now a days some battery operated mopeds too) where exempted to from licence to drive. 2.4Ghz band is also somehow similar to the exemption of license to use subject to the radiated power or emitting energy.

No one is needed to get license to use 2.4Ghz frequency band subject to limit of radiated power. But the custom's officials asking that, "what is the proof of the equipment falls under the limit prescribed by the WPC?"  if you say them 2.4ghz is license free band and any one can use it without license, they will ask for ETA which officially declares that the equipment falls under the limit which was suggested by WPC. Funny thingk is they do not trust certificates like FCC etc already taken by the manufacturer, but trust the certificate given by such agencies which can easily doubted for faithness.
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IMHO (in my humble opinion), better we discuss how one can easily get TxRx without unnecessary hassles. Here, I go with the doubt on lobbying of LHS. Respectfully, i admit that there is always a nice role of LHS for particularly this noble hobby. But when it comes for an import of RxTx, they become silent and never come forward for help. Its clear that the reinforcement of the said law has no overparticular interest of customs officials. But LHS will definitely get benefited. most of LHS had at least once exercised for ETA in past. If these people are really clean, they can  come forward to help people in community, how to fill the form etc and rest of the process. over a period of 6 months no LHS participated in discussion. 

On other hand, Unfortunately, they are never found with good quality and cheaper priced TxRx in their inventory regularly. I humbly request them to help people in this community, how to process.
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« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2014, 01:48:28 AM »
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My 9x reached India on 14/4/14. from then on its been taken care by the customs. They sent me a letter on 23/4/14 which I received on 4/5/14, 10 days after .the letter has some Jargon that I didn't really understand except that they are asking me to send the Invoice , product description and purpose of its use which I did via email for which they replied " Kindly send all the documents mentioned in the letter" I scratched my head for a while and resent the same documents. after three days I get a email asking me to produce Wpc-noc and ETA and they mentioned that I need to come to mumbai, take the 9x under customs escort to delhi get it checked and obtain the ETA which I found ridiculous thinking in terms of travel expenditure as I stay in Hyderabad.

calling the customs and getting the line connected won't happen most of the time, It happens like a miracle, once in a day if I try all day, getting connected I tried to explain the product and my situation to the officer. for which he acted like a toddler, All he wanted was WPC NOC. I did some research and found that I can apply for ETA online over the WPC website and mail the hard copy to Regional WPC office to get the approval ,  But the thing now is the Application column on WPC website has some bugs and it doesn't work..

what is this guys? the system looks so fucked up!!...All I want is a little radio not AK47 or Lamborghini.

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« Reply #56 on: May 23, 2014, 02:16:48 AM »
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Well its easy to get a Lamborghini. U better go through the above mentioned links, they ll help U out in a better way. Dont panic we can understand ur frustration, but we ve to through the system no matter how ****** up it is.
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« Reply #57 on: May 23, 2014, 02:27:20 AM »
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Did anyone here ever get a ETA approval for 9x?
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« Reply #58 on: May 23, 2014, 08:41:13 AM »
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bro u should have just payed 15$ more and got it by fedex it would have saved the time money and effort ....these people are real idiots when it comes to rc stuff ....now not only will they charge u customs of nearly 1500-2000k but also u got to pay wpc fees for noc 500 bucks i guess ...a better option is ask them to send it back to hk let hobbyking refund ur money then ship via fedex ....with customs and crap ull end up paying the same if u had ordered via fedex ....
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« Reply #59 on: May 23, 2014, 11:36:21 AM »
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Theoretically (?) i like this scheme when time is concern, but little doubt- this is even not full proof scheme. Second thing, i heard many times that fedex people charges additional processing (huge)charges without our consent. Else good.

At the end of the day, I again request seniors to come forward to start a movement(Huh?) Help Me for this harsh law. I'll follow.  Bow
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« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2014, 04:45:24 PM »
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why doesn't the Indian system trust FCC and CE compliance? WPC shit is too annoying!!  Bang Head Help Me
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« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2014, 10:32:29 AM »
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Movement against customs, not possible, it's a complicated thing besides they come under internal and external security...what's needed is to order it properly,

You can ask them to return the parcel to the original place ie the mafg. China and get it back again
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why doesn't the Indian system trust FCC and CE compliance? WPC shit is too annoying!!  Bang Head Help Me

Agree. But again it will become easy to buy from foreign by individual hobbyist and it will not satisfy some's personal interests.
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« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2014, 03:50:12 PM »
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But still dude thats not a justifiable reason, hindrance to the growth of people is a hindrance no matter what the law or the reason for it is. and it doesn't bring any good to any nation. Undecided
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Ellik, whats latest status?
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« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2014, 03:23:22 PM »
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Ellik, what you are considering as  Bang Head hindrance, is Vitamin M Indian Rupees Indian Rupees Indian Rupees for many people.  Drool

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« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2014, 05:32:32 PM »
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I returned it and Hats Off to all the IES and IAS  a**holes who design the rules as this. Real achievement is when you use your head right when you have the chance to bring change. Salute
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Can we raise this issue with PMO on facebook? Just asking Grin
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« Reply #68 on: July 28, 2014, 07:58:44 PM »
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 ;)if raised, at least nothing to loose.
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« Reply #69 on: July 28, 2014, 08:31:33 PM »
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Ok I will post the request.
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« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2014, 10:10:07 AM »
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That's very nice. Hope, if you share its link here, it would not be violence of any rule. People here, will surely like it on FB.
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Bad. Even I faced the same WPC issue for a Radio from WLTOYS. I personally went and met the officer at WPC Mumbai, Borivali office. The man even did not look at the invoice. He just said, "I have decided not to give you an NOC". These were his words unedited..  I tried to explain him that the radio complies to all standards from safety perspective and that its just a small toy.
He was just nodding his head.

Guys this is serious. People take this hobby as a potential risk. Forget about the technical guidelines by the thoughtful (whoever brought the rules).
People think this is hazardous and a threat to the society. I am afraid that our hobby would fade out if this shit spreads.

We need to start convincing people around that its just a plane simple hobby.

A terrorist would not order a RC radio to be cleared through customs!!!

Common guys..
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This seems to be a big hurdle for people like us in India. Yes, I agree, we surely need to make people believe this is safe. 
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This was the sole reason why i paid 120$ extra for ups world wide saver to get my 10J i read stories about how custom people are acting up with us good people . I agree those Tx which work on the regulated frequencies should not be purchased but 2.4g is not regulated by the govt . One of my know friend had his RTF kit held by customs he went to thier office and asked them as to why it has been held they gave a one line statement that 'your toy is capable of doing aerobatic maneuvers in the air and hence it is not a toy and shall not be released ' he got so dishearten that he left the hobby
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Bad. Is there really no way out of this?
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