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« on: June 25, 2011, 11:28:19 AM »
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Hi

I am new to this group. I leave in Germany but i am returning back to India.

I want to know if 1.2 Ghz, 1.3Ghz, 5.8Ghz, and 900Mhz are legal in India? And what is maximum power rating for the transmitter in each frequency band.

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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2011, 11:48:38 AM »
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See point #4 here, for legalized RC transmitter use : http://www.rcindia.org/rc-general-topics/airport-customs-issues/msg19005/#msg19005

Note: There are more WPC approved radios being sold in India now, not just from Indian Hobbies.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2011, 12:36:31 PM »
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from what i have gained from my talk with a senior official of the telecom department..

1> all freq below 100Mhz are open. will be only blocked during VIP movements and have no strain on use of it

2> 2.4Ghz is a open spectrum and any one can use it. no restrictions on it and will be blocked only during VVIP movement. along with all other freq except 103Mhz(which is police freq)


my grandfather was a customs officer at mumbai airport and acccording to him all electronics are considered as toys( except cellphones, camera, laoptop etc) even a Tx is toy. and has no restrictions on carrying it personally( or sometimes by package). the reason why the officials dont allow you to get it into the country because they have been bribed by some local seller to block it. and he will pay some cash as duty and get it into his shop for sale.

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2011, 12:41:32 PM »
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Thanx anwar for the quick reply.

I have 2.4Ghz Futaba Radio.

But i wanted to know what frequency i can use for Video and Telemetry.

I have seen ppl using 900Mhz and 1.2 Ghz and 5.8Ghz etc. Are those legally allowed in India?Huh?

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I have not seen anything that says these bands are de-licensed, which means that you will need at least permissions to import equipment in these bands. On top of that, AP is for sure restricted and FPV is a grey area.

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2011, 01:04:08 PM »
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the reason why the officials dont allow you to get it into the country because they have been bribed by some local seller to block it. and he will pay some cash as duty and get it into his shop for sale.

 Shocked  Shocked  Shocked

If I miss a Tx on post Here in shillong I should go in search to local seller near FPO Kolkata  Cry

Outrageous. EMS/Tracked and registered parcels only for me from now on.
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2011, 01:08:47 PM »
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1> all freq below 100Mhz are open. will be only blocked during VIP movements and have no strain on use of it

Although that may what is followed in practice (and why a blind eye is turned towards import/use of Mhz radios), it does not seem to be what is in written law/rules. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2011, 02:18:03 PM »
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Are you serious that use of AP and FPV is illegal???

And i am guessing still ppl use FPV and AP.



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The same way people use 72Mhz radios Smiley

"You are on your own" seems to summarize it.  Applying common sense really helps... don't fly near scale aircraft areas (airports, security sensitive locations etc), crowded areas, etc etc.
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2011, 02:33:10 PM »
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Good to know that.

Thanx for the help.... Salute
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Seek out a club, or take initiative to build one.  Like anything else, there is certainly "strength in numbers", and does help add clout, which in turn helps with officialdom (at least to a certain extent, as compared to being alone). 
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2011, 02:43:14 PM »
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True that.....will try.... Smiley
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Jus went through the national frequency allocation plan-2011

Use of 2.4-2.4835 Ghz using a maximum transmitter output power of 1 Watt (4 Watts Effective Radiated
Power) with spectrum spread of 10 MHz is legal

5.150-5.350 GHz and 5.725 5.875 using a maximum mean Effective Isotropic Radiated Power of 200 mW is legal

Frequency band 890-902.5MHz paired with 935-947.5MHz has been earmarked for cellular telecom systems

May be some veteran HAM operators can help out on this issue? QRU??

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Thank you Jatayu. That information was very helpful.

Is any one using Xbee 900 Module for Telemetry???
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Jus went through the national frequency allocation plan-2011

Where did you find this plan? Can you post any link?
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Surely! there u go

http://www.dot.gov.in/as/Draft%20NFAP-2011.pdf

just looked at the specific frequencies from page 150 onwards....
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my grandfather was a customs officer at mumbai airport and acccording to him all electronics are considered as toys( except cellphones, camera, laoptop etc) even a Tx is toy. and has no restrictions on carrying it personally( or sometimes by package). the reason why the officials dont allow you to get it into the country because they have been bribed by some local seller to block it. and he will pay some cash as duty and get it into his shop for sale.

 Salute Salute

Truly Said.  Not only the Tx. LHS Dealers even bribe for blocking all the high end items like kits arfs on which they make a killing. this is one reason i dont like/prefer LHS. i only buy from them when its utterly necessary.
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Wow...i never knew my LHS guy was cheating me at my back...and told me unnatural issues with customs...!!!!
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5.150-5.350 GHz and 5.725 – 5.875 using a maximum mean Effective Isotropic Radiated Power of 200 mW is legal

Earmarking a frequency for particular use, and delicensing it completely are two different things. There are new WiFi routers that are using 5.8Mhz, that is probably why it is being marked for delicensing in the new proposal.
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Truly Said.  Not only the Tx. LHS Dealers even bribe for blocking all the high end items like kits arfs on which they make a killing. this is one reason i dont like/prefer LHS. i only buy from them when its utterly necessary.

Oh boy Sad Please don't generalize such things.  Vast majority of LHSes are run by hobbyists, who also try to make an honest living.  They have enough problems already, let us not add to their worries with such catergorization.

Remember that HobbyKings of this world will not come to your field to help beginners.
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5.8GHz Audio & Video repeater (7KM Guranted range) gazette Sold legally without licensing hassle, I have seen in Kolkata.

I have asked them and they told it's legal (? I surprised with 7KM range). It's small enough (1" x 5" x 7") with 9 volt battery and a small antenna (Small than 2.4GHz) and priced 11K+ before 6 months appx.

7KM guaranteed range will surely increase in LOS (Line Of Sight).

Can anyone check this in local area? It's available in home security shops (I cant recall but it's a renowned manufacturer) as well as handycam repaire shops too.
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there is no rule in importing stuff. after the trade gates were open, after WTO meet. import duty is only applicable for items of commercial use only ( to those who want to sell it in the local market and gain some fast cash). and no duty is to be paid for any personal item brought from abroad

Dont know which world you have been living in. Try to carry two laptops, couple of iPod or camera through airport customs and you would know what customs can do to you.
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+1.  There is a strict limit of around Rs25000 these days for the value of good imported from foreign travel. In fact, there was a recent report in the media about how almost every passenger coming in from the Middle-East would be a candidate to customs scrutiny as the price of gold has risen significantly, and owning just over a sovereign of gold would push people over the free allowance.
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please read reply #2. there are restrictions on only some items... n not on toys(Tx is considered as one)

and forgot to mention that permission for transmission of freq is required from 85-109Mhz if it is a tramission of mode of media(radio for eg)
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TX is "considered" a toy ? From what I gathered all along, it gets much more complicated than that with HS codes and categorization.

Just search for "restricted item" here.

http://www.rcindia.org/search2?search=restricted+item
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i have explained why the Tx get caught in customs

if you have a closer look people from only specific states suffer and not all( people getting stuff from the customs of Gujarat, WB, north india, calcutta, mumbai etc)

i dont think many people had problems while getting it from bangalore customs. krixx got his radio 6exp with only duty to be paid of  Indian Rupees 1300 delivered to his door step.(the reason for this is that it was got by parcel and declared as  Indian Rupees 5000+ amt. dont remember the orig cost)

the reason they again get stuck is that: the items are declared less amt (like what hobby king does) and Customs suspect you as fraudsters.
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I think you are losing the distinction between how officers operate versus what the law is.  Even for already WPC approved radios, one still needs to get an individual import license. It does not make sense that officers can hold on to items just for personal benefit, without any backing of the law.

Lots of people are getting away with radio imports, others run into trouble.  Some offices (as a whole) or individual officers take a relaxed attitude towards such imports, while others do not.

See this thread also :

http://www.rcindia.org/beginners-zone/do-indian-customs-permit-import-of-a-4ch-receiver/msg61570/#msg61570
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I think you are losing the distinction between how officers operate versus what the law is.  Even for already WPC approved radios, one still needs to get an individual import license.

Sir, Kindly dont talk about law. EX. In a police station the PSO is the law in our country or for that matter anywhere in the world. cuz they can manipulate the law as they deem fit. i wont go into details but obviously u haven't had any dealing with these ppl who are supposed to implement law. when they want to twist the law they do it to an extent that u cant beat them. ex. for toys there is a certain HS code (i have talked about some time back on this forum) when u import the toys from china u have to produce u certain certificate which u cant get cuz its for manufacturers only not for personal import. but they will tell u to get it which u obviously cant then what will u do. bribe them or pull some strings.

It does not make sense that officers can hold on to items just for personal benefit, without any backing of the law.
Lots of people are getting away with radio imports, others run into trouble.  Some offices (as a whole) or individual officers take a relaxed attitude towards such imports, while others do not.

they can hold any item which they want cuz getting proper paper work in our loving country is very difficult task so most ppl avoid it and take the other option. last time i did not avoid it and did some paperwork to satisfy their queries and they let my parcel release from Delhi FPO.
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u haven't had any dealing with these ppl who are supposed to implement law.

You have no idea what (business) activities I am involved in.  People who know me personally on this forum will know Smiley And running any business will put you in situations that an individual will most likely not have to face, in terms of officialdom.  Just try to build a commercial building of 3+ floors in any city, and you will know (if you don't know already).

In any case, paying under the table or using influence (via influential people) are all secondary.  With the relaxed attitude, I was only referring to why certain postal/customs offices have a large number of parcels passing through without issues.

Although this is better not discussed further, especially with the language in the above post, the fact remains that there are restrictions. Let us not confuse others (especially beginners) by giving them the feeling that TXs are considered toys and you can import them at will !

How you work around the restrictions is not the norm.  If they insist on by-the-book treatment, your "I threw *some* paper work at them" would not fly at all, until you satisfied the import license requirements.
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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2011, 03:18:24 AM »
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We all know the problems created by the (most but not all) corrupted Govt. people specially when they are encouraged by others to do so (Specially some High Margin LHSs). So they got tripple earned (Govt. Salary + Direct twisting cut money + Encouragement fees). Then why not put your known persons/relatives to work for nation and to replace at least one corrupted people with Iron Determination. So, are not we responsible?

I know Govt. salary not higher like private ones but enough for simple leaving, but who will work for out nation if all good people join private job from Campus and does not offer him/her as a national cadet by joining Govt. Job to serve motherland?

Anwar sir, Please excuse me, who knows the internals, cannot restrict himself to outburst including me and so, I may say that crazypilot have give a polite reply here than he can gave.

However we all want to avoid all this so that it cannot reside even in back-brain.

Thanks that RCBazzar, Anam, Sai Uncle, RCDhamaka, VK are taking the pain and giving relief to us. This may vanish the high margin LHSs who encourage ~!@#$%'s which will be good for hobby. Crazypilot pointed the locations and smart people can realize who makes the problem. So, can we ban them simply not purchasing from them ?

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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2011, 11:19:51 AM »
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please read reply #2. there are restrictions on only some items... n not on toys(Tx is considered as one)

and forgot to mention that permission for transmission of freq is required from 85-109Mhz if it is a admissions of mode of media(radio for eg)

http://www.cbec.gov.in/travellers.htm

I couldn't agree more with Anwar. Don't take customs/authorities like you Paa/Mom that they would heed to your tantrums, and let you 'Do' what you 'Believe' than what the laws are. your above comment is more like ostrich sinking its head into sand to believe that no body is seeing him! You talk about RC Tx, I know of certain HAM trying to get a Car CD player sized HF radio without approval, and he was threatened to booked under POTA (believe me, they legally CAN do it, my Dad is a lawyer and uncle himself a highly placed custom official, and I had enough argument with them like you, only to concede to them).  Recently Imran Khan of DK Bose fame was caught with a RTF RC Heli on Mumbai airport, and he lost it all together.

Anwar is absolutely right, you may get away with it (and I am praying for my 8FG), but just like when you break a Red light and land safe without being hit by other traffic, you give a sigh and  thank god, you cannot take these action for granted safe.

Kindly dont talk about law. EX. In a police station the PSO is the law in our country or for that matter anywhere in the world.
A$* be it money or a certain call from someone.
I would recommend you to hold you emotion and read the forum rules again. You choice of few words are not good for this forum. This forum is not a place to vent frustration from authorities in a way it would harm the community. If I an Admin of this forum, you would have been banned altogether, so respect Anwar for his generosity.  

I know there are Baba and Anna today on the street doing an agitation, braving to fight even the authorities, but they were without any blemish. If you dare the authority when you dont have a legal grounds, you have to either loose some of your fortune to get away and loose all the comfort of your home, let alone recreations like RC.


Although this is better not discussed further, especially with the language in the above post, the fact remains that there are restrictions. Let us not confuse others (especially beginners) by giving them the feeling that TXs are considered toys and you can import them at will !

+1 times a many.  I went for a toss almost 2 years back as few people on other forum gave me a false comfort and I had to take the route#2 for my Radio from Towers (as the Radio of my choice was not sold by LHS). From my experience, I always discourage people for repeating my feat. Other parts are fine by this piece of equipment is troublemaker. I bet there would many other on the forum who faced some difficulty, but I don't shy away to accept that.

Even after having some ridiculous laws, very thankfully the implementation of the same is very slack. Thats why we usually  get away cheap most of the times. If we were in countries where there is a very strict implementation of (whatever) laws like in Middle East, US, EU  etc, I bet getting many things thru would have been almost impossible or absolutely risky. Thats 2 side of the coin of our country.
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2011, 11:30:20 AM »
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From my personal experience, the ones who "hold up" things are just out to harass - for obvious reasons - or real bureaucrats who wan't to go by the book. If the latter, reasoning usually works provided you  are on firm ground. 
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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2011, 11:36:44 AM »
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If the latter, reasoning usually works provided you  are on firm ground. 

That "firm ground" is not easy for the common man... as it can involve all the way up to getting WPC approval (which may have been done by someone else already) followed by a personal import license (which the individual is forced to do). 

I am just worried that we are telling people it is a piece of cake.  It may very well end up being a piece of cake, depending on ones luck.  But we cannot leave people without adequate warning about possible issues.
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From my personal experience, the ones who "hold up" things are just out to harass - for obvious reasons - or real bureaucrats who wan't to go by the book. If the latter, reasoning usually works provided you  are on firm ground.  


I have quite a different opinion, if you agree with the Law as it is written, for the time being. First, our postal customs have been generously accepting grossly under-invoiced items. They have been even generous not charging bigger items like my huge box of AXN Floater of 15x40x10 size, even it was invoiced properly. Even recently they called me for the invoice for one of my parcel and after interviewing for 10 mins, released with duties based on the invoice.

If you consider the exemptions on Airport, I again bet many people cross the USD 500/Rs 25000 /One Laptop (which is still not a good amount) by huge margin. If you then think that those officials are no smarter than a Rickshaw puller, that they wont quiz you , you are mistaken. If they wont't ask any duty on the exempted value if you carry proper bill. You can always pay duty on the exceeding value and walk with peace. The problem begins when we think that we should get away with the exceeding value for free, and the officials think they should get something for their leniency, and then only point of all fuss remains is the middle ground between the legal duty fee and the 'lesser' convenience fee.

If you see police on a picket doing verification of vehicle papers, do you think you wont be stopped if you were not wearing a Helmet ? Govt is indeed bleeding 100's corore in import duties every year. This does empower the official to what ever you call 'Harass'. If you are under the limit, even the corrupt ones wont waste time you. This harass thing is most of the time  like The pot calling the kettle black.
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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2011, 04:45:20 PM »
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Dont know which world you have been living in. Try to carry two laptops, couple of iPod or camera through airport customs and you would know what customs can do to you.

Right Said, There's always limit of value of the goods you can carry with you, while traveling abroad.

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I think Customs officials are smart enough to under stand the nature and value of goods being imported. Even if under valued they under stand that, they are showing some leniency, out of their discretionary power, because they well understand for what RC goods are imported for and by whom. 

Once a LHS owner told me that a custom official has shown him the page of website of a Chinese seller, where you are asked for the value you want to declare in your invoice for customs. They just close their eyes because they think the goods are for hobbyists and students and not for commercial use. Even the sender's name is different on your parcels and your invoice, and the payment you have made to, Custom officials are not illiterate, I presume.
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They just close their eyes because they think the goods are for hobbyists and students and not for commercial use.

+1.  Exactly what I meant by "relaxed attitude".
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Hi ! I'm new to the forum and I think they must also include multirotor's along with heli and planes and all that.... Ok to the point.... I'm planning on a long range fpv setup so I decided to go with immersionrc's ezuhf.... But I need a ham lisence to operate legally right Huh?
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I was looking for legal frequencies in India. This thread is quite old. Any updates?

What kind of transmitters can be used? Power, frequency-range.

I am a noob looking for some information which I can use in one of my IoT projects. Head Scratching
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@nmfpv IMHO there is nothing like legal frequency 2.4ghz and 5ghz ISM bands which you can used freely, for other you might need licensing from tele communication departments. I guess upto 250mW to max 1 watts you can use these frequencies not sure though. 800Mhz is being used for mobile communications so one should avoid that, other common frequency is 433 Mhz used in LoRA. If you experiment too much with frequency it's always best idea to take a HAM License test and become a HAM License radio operator. Hope that helps!
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