RC India

Guys ,
We just received the FST4 A 2.4 G Beginners Radio .
Same as the Hobby King 2.4 G Tx /Rx  but from  a more direct route :

RCFORALL 2.4Ghz 4Ch Tx & Rx (Mode 2)(THROTTLE ON THE LEFT)
RCFORALL FST4A 2.4ghz system is an entry level transmitter offering the reliability of 2.4Ghz signal technology and a twin receiver antenna.

IT IS LIKE A 2.4G FUTABA SKY SPORT OF THE GOOD OLD DAYS .


No Mixing functions plain simple Tx with Servo reversal  
 
Key Features;
4-channel 2.4GHz transmitter with servo reversing.
Easy to use control for basic models.
Includes 6-channel receiver
Trainer system option.
This system does not need a PC to program servo direction.
Included;
1 x 2.4Ghz transmitter
1 x 2.4Ghz Receiver
1 x Bind Plug.

Here are some Photos .
Sorry we have only limited stocks as the major Quantity is pre booked.

The Price is Rs 2700 + courier.

Looking at the possibility of offering a FMS  simulator cable for this Tx in the near future .

Tested this Radio last Sunday on my good old faithful easy cub and  both Saju and me had a great time despite high winds , the range is great and the response is faster than 72 Mhz  not as  fast as the assan but surely  appreciably faster than the FM frequencies i must admit .
I fell in love with the simplicity of this radio to such an extent that despite me having the Futab 6 Ex ( dual band ) and the JR 8103 I have decided to keep one for myself   . Though this breaks  the promise to my wife that I would return it back to the shop  after the test ;) ;D She does not know this as yet .

Sai

Yes, you need a sim to go along with this. 

Also, what kind of battery ?  Can it take lithium/rechargeable ones ?

I am using normal rechargeable pen light cells

It can take a 3s lipo - works fine, I charge it once a month - I fly quite less but use it extensively on my sim. It can be connected to the pc via the trainer socket and configured easily using smartpropoplus.

i am very much interested in this radio set up. Is this still available or any chance of it in the near future.? if not do u have anything else in the price range( FM radio is not a problem for me.)

btw i am based in chennai

Yes it is available .I have only 3 pcs left as of now .
The current prices are higher than the first lot .
The current package comes with a  USB simulator cable for Rs 3400/-
This includes Transmitter , receiver and USB simulator cable .

Contact me on Mobile No. 9380577074.
rgds
sai

http://cgi.ebay.in/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110444877318#ht_500wt_956

Here is a beginners Dream Combo which includes :

1)2.4Ghz transmitter   : 1 NO.

2) 2.4Ghz Receiver  : 1 NO.

3) Bind Plug  : 1 NO

4) SIMULATOR TRAINNER CABLE : 1 NO.

5) RCFORALL DY Servos upto DY S 0206 ( 9 gms ) : 2 nos   ( missed earlier included now.)

5) BRUSHLESS MOTOR  UPTO 2212 SERIES : 1 NO.

6) ESC ( SPEED CONTROLLER ) : 1 NO.

7) PROP GWS TYPE : 1 NO

8 ) LIPO BATTERY 11.1V 1350 MAH  : 1 NO.

9) 2-3 CELL LIPO CHARGER WITH 1 AMP ADAPTER : 1 SET

http://cgi.ebay.in/RCFORALL-2-4-Ghz-4-CHANNEL-BEGINNERS-DREAM-COMBO_W0QQitemZ150379823757QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_203?hash=item230356028d&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262

Sai

It would be great if you can also suggest a foamy to go with this, either ARF or a link to a nice and simple plan for scratch build.  That way, a beginner need not look anywhere else.  In fact, it may make sense to split this into a separate thread, or start a new one with all of this information combined. Also include what type of glue is needed etc. 

In short, a one stop shop to get started.

will the lipo (which weighs 100 grams) be too heavy for a plane weighing 300 grams with the electronics sans the battery..
if so can i substitute the combo with a different lipo.?

edit: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=863131/  
i am trying to build this foam plane....

or buy the epp sukhoi from sai.

I have said this is Ok for planes upto 900 gms.
You can surely substitute with motors like 2204 , 2208 , 2805  with lower capacity ESC's  or batteries as well.
sai

ok! :)
 thanks for clearing up.

sai i don't know whether i was intentional or not but i have noticed that something very basic is missing in your combo  :-X

u mean servos right.?

Thanks for pointing out the omission.

2 Nos either 3.7/4.4/6 or 9 gms servos are included as well in the  combo.

It was a mistake not including them in the list  but they would have come as a part of the combo in any case

Correction made now.

Thanks Sahil BTW I don't mind you being open about pointing out a mistake  {:)}
Sai

no problem  :)

I did note that servos are missing, in the other thread.   8-)  And 3 hours earlier than Sahil ;D

Also, a reasonable combo should have at least 3 servos, right ?

Cheers to Sai for bringing the low cost combo. Any attempt to lower the entry load in this hobby is much appreciated. So anyone attempting a scratch build with this combo could do within 3.5K.....

That's wonderful. This is exactly what I have been stating in another thread on lowering cost to promote this hobby. I finally feel that the catch line of Sai ' RC For All' is being realized.  :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute:

Pankaj

 :headscratch:

You are right Sahil, can't see how the numbers add up.  The radio, power system, servos, model...  all together it is in the 10K range ?

hi anwar

well not 10k more like less then 7k including the model !

yes 3 servos is a good all in one combo but seller has to decide !

Most electric beginners planes be they ARF or Scratch built are Rudder, elevator in most cases .
The reasons I guess are :
1) The Hi Dihedral / polyhedral  reduce the effect of ailerons
2) A Yaw turn is easier to handle than a roll turn .
3) for a beginner a bank is a bit disorienting .

The Logic of 2 servos is this .
Eg
ARF : Slow Stick , Easy Star , Easy Cub , Beaver  etc etc are all rudder elevator planes
Scratch Built : Blu Baby ( original ) , Blu Beagle , Gym Blue , Tuffy etc are  again rudder elevator .

We have quite  few beginners who come to us to buy stuff as it is  and many more are allowed to try their hand at RC ( free )  when they  come Kovalam , Chennai on Sunday's when we fly , hence the Combo has been designed taking these observations into account for the vast majority .

Those who need  extra servos could buy them separately .

Also have a look at the combos offered by GWS :
http://www.gwsus.com/english/product/system/system.htm

Majority offer 2 servos in a Combo  for a beginner. ;D

Sai

I guess it is one of those pros and cons things.  When we (me and my brother) first started in RC (in the late 50s  :giggle:), my brother got a 3 channel Cessna (foam ARF), and it was very hard to turn it in time using rudder alone (we made rookie mistakes like flying in a school ground with limited space, and in medium winds); with the end result that the model disappeared from sight (it was recovered with some damages though).  Only when we tried a plane with ailerons that we realized how easy tight turns are with those.

But you are right, ailerons are yet another thing for a beginner to worry about and get disoriented.  

On the other hand, I know at least a few fliers who are between the beginner and intermediate levels who NEVER use rudders at all during flight and prefer only to use ailerons for turns (of course with elevator corrections!).  So ailerons seems to be preferred in some way.

When I was a beginner, I preferred aileron over rudder too. My first plane had only rudder, after 5-6 flights I made another one with aileron and never looked back. This plane did not have a rudder. The rudder alone does not give enough authority to recover from steep banks due to beginner mistakes or cross winds pushing the plane over. I learnt all my basics on my aileron plane and didn't really miss the rudder. I started using the rudder again when I moved to flying glow planes and was initially using it only during take off runs and landings.

Well... I meant 7.5K and not actually 3.5K. I was thing about the combo offer by Sai at less than 6 and writing about the radio at less than 3. Hence the mixup. Thanks Sahil

Pankaj

Pro: Easier to fly because the plane is self correcting.

Con: When one "graduates" beyond trainer level he/she will have a false sense of confidence and will need to "unlearn" the technique for turning. I feel this to be a major minus.

"False" sense  :giggle:   :headscratch:

That would be the case when you have rudder plugged into rudder , but not the case when you have rudder plugged into aileron channel.

Sai

So do you always purposefully plug in the rudder servo into the aileron channel on the 3 channel planes while setting them up for beginners ?

It is much better , in fact I learnt this from Capt Manish whom I saw did it for his 3 channel glider this way for a beginner  you are simulating an Aileron . So when he actually gets  to using aileron he is already familiar with using that channel.
Till date I have found it a very useful way with beginners  eg , they fly with rudder elevator when flying my easy cub  and after  a few flying days when they try the twin star which has ailerons I have found they easily handle the aileron's   .

In fact quite a few college students have gone thru this  with ease  in the past couple of months

sai

IMO 2 servo will do just install the rudder servo on ailerons done

Putting the rudder on aileron channel (a clever idea!) only helps with the "unlearning" when moving from 3 channel (turns using rudder) to 4 channel (turns using aileron). 

The larger issue of turn authority still remains. Wonder if a 2 servo setup with only aileron and elevator is the right balance (especially in the long term) for a beginner ?

yes but its up to the seller and sai has clarified about this in the previous post

i bought this transmitter and receiver plus sim cable from sai uncle today..  the transmitter works great with the FMS.. for other simulator u can make  it to work if u have a program called ppjoyjoy.. ( infact even play fifa with it  ;D)...

btw i havent checked if the reciever works though.. for now i am practicing hard in sim. illl buy some foamie for it soon ..

Sai - One clarification...  does this radio support elevon mixing ? 

If not, is there an easy way (in terms of products that you carry) for people to handle it outside the radio ? 

No it  does not have Elevon Mixing it is like the Futaba Sky Sport 4 channel radio .

Most people with this type of radio  use a V tail Mixer  with it for elevon mixing.

sai

HI, RCFORALL, Sounds Good! can u send in some more details pl .... details lic pic / specifications etc!! I am looking for options! Thanks!

Looks like you found this topic by search. Everything you asked for is in the first post of the same thread !  :)

http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/rcforall-fs-t-4-a-2-4-g-radio-(tx-rx-)-now-available-for-rs-2700/msg5838/#msg5838

http://cgi.ebay.in/RCFORALL-2-4-Ghz-4-CHANNEL-RADIO-INCLUDES-SIM-CABLE_W0QQitemZ110444877318QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_203?hash=item19b7071606

check this out

hey just saw this post:
http://cgi.ebay.in/2-4Ghz-6Ch-Tx-Rx-Combo-Pack-Just-Rs-2999_W0QQitemZ270545529257QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_203?hash=item3efdc529a9#ht_600wt_1167

Does anyone who's this??

SIr whats the price without SIM?

Sai sir,
Though the thread is quite old, but is there any low priced combo pack is present to you? Even with FM ? If yes, please mention current price. Initially I want to starter pack selected by you though, I know, later another radio is required.

Thanks
KalyanProdhan (09231657193)
Kolkata

We should be getting 300 nos of these Radios soon legally imported .

We have been authorized  by flysky the manufacturers of the Radio's to deal in their products in India .

We will also be getting  the flysky 9 channel Radio's as well  which is reviewed here :

http://www.helireviews.com/fly-sky-fs-th9x-9ch-transmitter/

So all those interested  could e mail us at rcforallin@gmail.com  with their requirement .

Sai

It is clear that you have pre-orders for a large part of this batch of 300 radios ;) 

Happy to see LHSes bringing in more and more people in to the hobby :thumbsup:

how good is this radio i am a new comer so please all experts help me i am farmer from Maharashtra

guys this radio cost is 4500/- + shipping and not 2700/- + shipping mr sai please update it for other user

thank you  :thumbsup:

is it available now