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« on: August 20, 2009, 02:05:07 PM »
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Mr. Scolari survived rain, delays, and generally bad conditions to place 2nd in RES Sailplane (Rudder/Elevator/Spoiler) at the AMA Nats! with the RDS8000. At the National level there are no throw-outs, and no room for even 1 missed flight. You have to be consistent. And when you consider Mr. Scolari was flying against many national champions, it says a LOT about this great finish!
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Sanwa is one of the worldwide leading manufacturers of R/C Transmitters and Servos. The Sanwa motto being: "Choice of Champions"; the list of top drivers from all over the world using Sanwa is endless; in Germany for example Marc Rheinhard (World Champion) and Ronald Völker (European Champion) among others drive Sanwa. Sanwas expertise in the 2.4Ghz technology is more and more obviously. In all our tests and in the races no 2.4Ghz system has worked as failure-free as Sanwas FSSS 2.4Ghz. The Sanwa M11 is the champions choice, the Sanwa MX-3 FG 2.4Ghz is the winner in price/performance stakes.
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how come the name sanwa came to airtronics ?
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Looking forward to see the 3 channel 2.4 MX sport Radio. At 99$ in US, its a good bargain and easiest way to go spread spectrum.
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how come the name sanwa came to airtronics ?

Airtronics is the Brand name of SANWA for the US. Actually Sanwa created a new company in the US in 1982 which was called Airtronics Inc. Thats the reason of them having two brand names. It is known in the US & Canada as Airtronics & As SANWA in Europe/Japan & Rest of the World.
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In a shockingly close contest, the SD-10G places 1st and 2nd at this years F3J Team Trials. Cody Remington took top honors followed incredibly closely in 2nd place by Daryl Perkins. Daryl is a mulit-time F3J World Champion, Cody won the Worlds in  the Junior Category in 2006. Their radio of choice? AIRTRONICS SD-10G of course!

Congratulations to the F3J USA TEAM!!!

Cody Remington, Daryl Perkins, and Richard Burnoski

At the Worlds next year, Team USA will be the Team to beat!

At the Team Trials (they had a GREAT turnout!) Skip Miller Models had an entire Team competing! Look at all those SD-10G radios! Miller  – Remington – Verzuh – Lewan


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Daryl Perkins won the worlds flying an SD-10G in the F3J France World Championship

All adult members of the Team USA F3J team flew Airtronics SD-10G.
Cody Remington
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Daryl's Contest Winning Aircraft used 94761Z (SDX-762)Sanwa/Airtronics servos as
well. Almost all of the Team USA aircraft used the 94761Z(SDX-762) servo.


The 1st place Junior Brendon Beardsly ALSO flew Airtronics SD-10G


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Sanwa Finishes 1st, 2nd & 3rd at the IFMAR 1/8 On Road 2011 WC.

1  Robert Pietsch - Germany
2  Keisuke Fukuda - Japan
3  Dario Balestri - Italy

6 out of the top 10 were using Sanwa Radios and Servos.

Sanwa again proves that its "THE CHOICE OF CHAMPIONS"


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I got a SD-5G from you and it's simply awesome! It's a computer radio without all the programming hassles of a computer radio!

I know this isn't the right place to ask a question...but would it be wise (w.r.t safety, that is) to power it with a LiPo? Because the NiMh cells seem to run out in almost no time.
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Sanwa no doubt is the choice of champions. You go to a world race, you see sanwa everywhere. But their radios need to be lighter. M11 is one of the best race radio in the market. I love my mx3 more than spektrum for it great build, speed and easy of use. But sadly it's on my shelf because it heavier, eats more battery etc.
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Ajo,

No doubt the M11x is heavy because of its built quality, but Sanwa has been listening and the new Sanwa MT4 is lighter, it runs on 4 AA cells to 2S Lipo.
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Lee Rice Finishes 2nd in Expert Class at Top Gun with his Big Corsair and the Radio he trusts the SD-10G.

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No doubt the M11x is heavy because of its built quality, but Sanwa has been listening and the new Sanwa MT4 is lighter, it runs on 4 AA cells to 2S Lipo.
I will swear by Sanwa build and quality. My MX3 is yet to receive a scratch while the Spektrum antenna broke and paint had peeled off.
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The 2011 ROAR 1/8 Off Road Fuel Truggy & Buggy both the Champions were using Sanwa/Airtronics.

The 2011 ROAR 1/8 Off Road Nitro Buggy Class saw airtronics finishing 1 & 2.

Multiple Repeat ROAR Championship Radio SANWA/Airtronics

Once again Sanwa proves that it is "The Choice of Champions"

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It's the choice of champs, but the question is why? What makes these folks pick Sanwa over likes of Futaba, JR/Spektrum? Is it that these radios have more feature or what? I do not think reliability is an issue with the others
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More features and insane reaction speeds with the SSR receivers.


Most of the pro racers use the M11X.There are a few with Spektrum,Ko Propo(I doubt airplane guys know this company) but the M11X is the most common radio seen with the pro drivers.
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More features and insane reaction speeds with the SSR receivers.

Please elaborate...
What is meant by speed of radio and how does it impact? what about the speed of servos and their reliability/accuracy?

I somehow feel that stating sanwa is the choice of champions is a rather simplistic statement and does not take into account the human skill involved.
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Well,with the pro drivers,it is quite a lot about skill.

People like very responsive radios.Their servos are provided by the sponsors and are ridiculously fast and powerful.They are very accurate and very reliable.They take intense G forces in on-road and off-road racing.On the features,nitro guys like timers and all but pitmen take care of that.Many drivers need the radio to feel good in their hands.Obvious when nitro races can go upto an hour.

On the "Choice of Champions",they are the radios that Champions use(the present IFMAR champion does not use one)....simple enough.

I forgot to mention the Futaba systems used by racers too.THE Atsushi Hara uses a 4-PKS.
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Many a times, people get used to a certain brand, so imy question originated from that angle. Is it that the current breed of top notch fliers were flying some other radio (of similar nature) and switched to Sanwa or they they Sanwa users from the beginning?

Also, like in any pro sports, its often the sponsorship amount that defines and ensures the loyalty to one brand, so maybe Sanwa spends more than the rest.

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One reason I have heard is response time of the sanwa. Yes sponsorship is also important. For example kyosho and ko propo seems to have some tie-ups. Hence you see Cody king using the ko propo. I believe in most cases of sanwa use the choice is personal.
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I believe in most cases of sanwa use the choice is personal.
Oh! And what you make you think that ? You mean to say all other champs (Pattern with Futaba and Heli with JR) are paid endorsement? I would like  to point to a very hot debate on IIT JEE coaching centers 'Bribing' top ranker to endorse their coaching centers, accepting that they got trained there, when they didn't.

This kind of claims is just like no better than Sachin endorsing Adidas and Roger Federer Nike, as if , if they had used some other brands, there wouldn't have been what they are. This just using face value.

Hell with the Champions, just love your  brand.
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It sure shows how good the response time on Sanwa Radios are...........but give Sachin a cheap bat not what he use (or is used too) and then you will see the difference.

Ujjwal: 2 things are clear that this is not IIT JEE coaching classes when you are racing/flying at Worlds, one at the time of your entry need to declare the type of gear you are using etc, etc., so you cannot just bribe someone later after the event is over and claim that the were using a particular brand and some of the champions have been using the stuff for years, no where does any one say not to love any brand.

So kindly do not Hijack this thread...........thank you.

This thread is basically to announce some of the current achievements in R/C for Sanwa.

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Well then if use of Sanwa radio ensures enhancement of one's skill, then that means the other brands like Futaba, JR/Spektrum etc.  are all inferior so lets all dump these brands and stick to Sanwa right?
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i <3 the M11, but its too huge for me to afford (both size and $$), but will get some newer versions soon!!
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Well then if use of Sanwa radio ensures enhancement of one's skill, then that means the other brands like Futaba, JR/Spektrum etc.  are all inferior so lets all dump these brands and stick to Sanwa right?

IMHO, Sanwa might not be able to enhance performance, but is still the choice of most racers/flyers, may be due to its reliability and quality.
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Well then if use of Sanwa radio ensures enhancement of one's skill, then that means the other brands like Futaba, JR/Spektrum etc.  are all inferior so lets all dump these brands and stick to Sanwa right?

I don't think Sanwa says that.All they say is that their radios are the choice of champions.Simple enough,isn't it? Head Scratching
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Well then if use of Sanwa radio ensures enhancement of one's skill, then that means the other brands like Futaba, JR/Spektrum etc.  are all inferior so lets all dump these brands and stick to Sanwa right?

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we have not said that anywhere, where did you get that implication from??
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No radio can enhance your skills. You have to be a good one to make best use of the radio.

I went around asking drivers at a world event why they chose an ugly, huge and bulky M11 radio over a sleek and sexy radio like Spektrum DX3R. The reason I posted is what I heard. I never imagined this. What I heard is what I wrote.

I dont know anything about air radios, but I have used/own both Spektrum and Sanwa surface radios. Sanwa is certainly better built and faster than my spektrum. Its not rocket science, just look at the plastics for example. But Sanwa is heavier, draws more power and looks like a brick.
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Pankaj,
we have not said that anywhere, where did you get that implication from??
Well I am just trying to find some logic as to why the champs choose a particular radio

I dont know anything about air radios, but I have used/own both Spektrum and Sanwa surface radios. Sanwa is certainly better built and faster than my spektrum. Its not rocket science, just look at the plastics for example. But Sanwa is heavier, draws more power and looks like a brick.
To me this logic makes some sort of sense - better built could mean better handling or feel, however still not able to understand the speed concept. How is it that one radio is considered faster than other
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How is it that one radio is considered faster than other

We're speaking of response speed here.Most people like fast radios.Usually,people get accustomed to the speed of their radio but faster is generally better.If Sanwa tells us how their radios are faster than the radios other people make,they'll go out of business Cheesy

I think that their speed comes from good receivers and good computational abilities of their systems.(Basically encoding,decoding...)
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well if we look at servo specs there is specs like 'response time 0.12 sec'. I would like to think this is fast since 0.10 is considered the limit of human response.

Now, I also understand that even though one component of the system may be fast, but the overall performance depends on combined effect of all devices put together - TX, RX and Servo. So while a servo may be lightening fast, if the Tx or Rx is slow, then the overall system may become sluggish. But it won't be like a latency of 1-2 seconds between the user's input and the servo's movement.

So when we say these radios are fast in real terms does it make too much of a difference?
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this is where other factors start to come into play.the pros use uber fast and uber high torque servos with speeds of 0.07 seconds and even faster ones.when a person can afford a 400 dollar radio,chances are,he can upgrade his servo too.
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So kindly do not Hijack this thread...........thank you.

Kartik - Team RCD

Hijacking the Thread ?? Why didn't you locked this thread all together and make it just a billboard ? When people sing to your tunes, it fine and when people confront you, the discussion suddenly becomes 'Hijacking' ? And should I call this thread a discussion ? It is merely pasting the forum with an Ad Poster, and were I a moderator, I would have moved this post to the 'RC-Bazaar' forum (no, not the LHS with similar name). If you put the thread in 'Radio and Receiver' forum, please be open to constructive criticism. This is not a Sanwa sponsored forum I believe.

And as far as basting of champions goes,  I do have all the high regard for all the top 3-4 OEM Tx beands, including Sanwa to be honest, but such Ad suggests that all champs use Sanwa only, I think some one need to do some research (Sad there is no Futaba distributor in India). There are Champs in all Radio Clan. JR/Spektrum is too strong in the Heli worls (Tareq) and Futaba in Pattern flying (Noll Sr and Jr). The list would be much longer and I have not wasted time on searching for more.

War similar to Radio Vs Radio exist in Photography world too, mainly fought between Canon and Nikon fans. Both lineups are better and worse in their own regards, both have equal number of satisfied users. They are indeed better than the lesser popular brands for totally different reason (accessories, range, support, etc).
Lets don't indulge such unnecessary controversy / debate here, as there is no end to it. One of the bright scratch builder at our field uses Al Cheapo Indian Rupees 3000 HK Tx. He deserves better Tx, but then he is good even with that radio as well.
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This thread have given me a sleepless night, and of course I have to work thisssssssssss   morning, hooooooooo
being Reading at different places, and "my" views are:

Japanese  indeed are very smart business men I must say, you don't enter in surface segment, and I won't come to sky is the treaty, it seems  amongst these two Jap radio makers.

Sanwa seems strong in surface segment, their M11, M11x,(sorry for my meager know about surface as I see to sky)  wow and Futaba strong in sky, I searched for Sanwa larger than 10 channel air radios, no sir they do not have that,(please correct me if I am wrong,blame it on my search engine, not me for the mistake) means they have smaller range in air segment. but that doesn't mean sanwa radios are bad for sky and futabas are bad for surface (read line no.3 again in this context)

Futaba air radios, yes they go upto 18 channels, 6ex, 7c, 8fg, 8fg super, 10cg, 12fg,12z, 14mz,18mz huh....... and how they call their 8fg super a 8 channel radio as 14channel is beyond my imagination.

Find Futaba list of air champions it is very Longggggggggggg, and they have clear technological advantage with their S-bus technology.

who says some radio can make champions, they are paid to wear tees and of course loads of equipments, to say I love...............

I come to know that radios are like pens, they will write if you move your hands, and way you move it, if not so a person having a million dollar pen should be a best writer in world.

And I see S.T plays with Kashmir willow(prepared as a bat some where in Punjab, as my radio have a sticker made in..., I want to be politicaly correct), and I can see a sticker saying MRF(and again don't blame me if the sticker is changed in recent times, as I do not follow cricket regularly)

One more query from my more knowledgeable friends here, do some diamond studded radios are also available just like mobile phones..........

Pardons in advance if somebody thinks I am thread jacker, oh sorry hijacker, please let me know this post will be removed to a newer location.
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Sanwa wins again at the IFMAR 1/10 Electric Worlds Finishing 1st & 2nd in both the 2WD & 4WD events. 5 out of the top 10 were using SANWA in both the events.

We congratulate the winners.
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Kartil, you talked about futaba 3003 and such standard servos jittering with Sanwa radio and rx. What is the view on that( anyone with sanwa futaba servo combo can care to clarify). Also there is a popular belief that there more clones of sanwa than sanwa perse! Any thoughts on that?

As regards skill and radio, a good radio can be an added bonus, skill set is all about perspiration and ability to perceive aircraft behavior better. An average radio would do, other than Sanwa I have them most, personally I like my parkmaster better with turnigy than 14 mz. Weight , ease of handling are issues were turnigy scores. My 4 ch skysport is my most trusted radio, may be on surface it matters , in air it doesn't . Because anything that interacts with air has lag called 'tau' lag ( name doesn't matter though) it depends on control force , throw and control harmony( ratio of control forces rudder elev and aileron, in that order) static CG margin dynamic stability air pressure density and temperature. A pilot incl rc pilot is to cater for that. Add another variable to cater for , radio lag. And ur good to go, I don't for once am refuting that sanwa is the best.
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Servo match was another issue with some older Sanwa radios. Hitec 645 had issues with the Sanwa MX3. It was reported online, and I had the issue too.

I am sure this has been corrected now.
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