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Question: Should the Format of flying change at Amby Valley???
First timer - Like it as it is - 4 (9.5%)
Not enough done to promote Aeromodelling - 15 (35.7%)
Should have an organized competition - 13 (31%)
Will go back next year - 6 (14.3%)
This was the list time I was there - 4 (9.5%)
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« on: March 03, 2011, 08:26:08 AM »
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The much awaited event at Amby Valley is over now.
The crowd was much less than what is was last year.
The planes were mostly jets.
Props were conspicuous by their abscence.
How about some views from the forum members about the event.
 
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2011, 08:34:24 AM »
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Hope the results of this poll have an impact on future events at Amby Valley and other events of the same kind all over India.
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it did lack in organization. Sad it was just regular random sunday flying this year where no one knew what the other is doing. i could have done the same at my local flying field. no need to travel all the way to aamby valley and would have gone there just as a visitor.
never the less aamby valley is a great meet. Salute it just needs some itsy bitsy improvements where there would be something for all the enthusiasts of this wonderful sport/hobby  Thumbs Up
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My question is how many here in India own a 50cc & up planes? mostly people fly 40-60 to 90-160 planes.

Here in India we must be focused mainly on Indian pilots, here mostly people fly 40-60 to 90-160 size planes in majority, so we need a organised event or aerobatic competition with international rules & regulation were all the pilots can fly in various different categories like beginners, intermediate, advanced, unlimited. Other pilots who don't wish to participate in the competition can just fly for fun  Grin. Fees must be reasonable for the pilots for all class. What we actually need to do is make the event affordable for all class of modellers around this country & bring up the best talent  Thumbs Up which can represent India in a International event later  Smiley.

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My sentiments exactly Sharlock. Someone should start working on these lines and host an event soon.
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words taken out of my mouth Sherlock. i fully agree with  Thumbs Up u as i said "there should be something for every one".
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From what I see from the pictures posted, hardly any orginality. Did see one Aircomet but do not know if this was an ARF or a kit/scratch built.
My impressions, playground for the big boys in flying
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So what about the rest of us? Do we do something about it or just sit back and watch. Why not have organized flying events all over the country for everyone including the guys doing DIY projects. Jaago India Jaago.
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What we need is at least events in glow engine from basic to advanced & may be a 50cc class gas separate class. The point is to bring each n every pilot around the country together this will truly help us grow in future... Smiley
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Events at smaller scale are happening around Delhi, in Chennai etc. 

Ideally, there should be some kind of regional competitions (for both flying and building), and the finalists alone should be in one national event.  That way everyone would not have to travel large distances with their stuff, and there is still motivation for EVERYONE to pursue improvement in whatever fascinates them.

As the numbers grow, we WILL see this India... sooner than later !
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Anwar this was exactly what I've been saying for the past few months. But I hope it is sooner and not later.
How about one event this year in every possible region. Guys why don't u motivate the local bodies to get together and host a few of these events so that there is a begining.
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I don't agree to "finalists alone should be in one national event." I see Joe Nall which is a biggest event in the world.. were mostly all Americans participate including beginners to world class pilots around the world  Thumbs Up my brother was there last year & he said it was a blast.. amazing experience world class setup.

Amby valley event is not a competition were our finalist national pilot has to participate  Head Scratching
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i feel that it is very important for international world class flyers to be attending such aeromodeling meets or competitions. BUT for Demos only (not participating in the competitions) in this way indian modelers will not feel left behind nd they can learn something from them and also ask them any questions which could be very helpful.

@ ANWAR - as per skimming the milk. there has to be a common body which selects those flyer going to the national events. is there any such body in India ? how can this move forward ? what i have seen at aamby is that there is a small group of flyers which is treated partially. this should be a big no no for such events. in the end we all have huge passion for our hobby nd sacrifice alot for it that includes the continuous notorious bugging nd taunting of our wives, girlfriends and family lol  Grin Giggle

@ FLYINGBOXCAR -  i completely agree with u Thumbs Up . this years aamby was all about jets and BIG props even i with my 25% yak 54 dle 55 gasser felt like a dwarf amongst them. never the less it was great fun.  Thumbs Up but i surely would have liked it in a more organized manner which this year i must say was a complete mess as compared to the previous 2 years i have attended. Head Scratching
there were hardly any glow powered planes there which i found very sad nd saw this event moving towards and i quote u  A "PLAYGROUND FOR THE BIG BOYS FLYING" only. 
i am sure 90 % of India's flyers use glow engines then why not promote that ? why is there such a huge fuss about giant planes and jets? glow engines and smaller planes can fly with the exact elegance as giants do.

@ SHARLOCK- i also agree that there should se something for everyone EP-GLOWS- GASSERS- JETS AND HELLIES.. something for every class beginner- intermediate and advanced. its a difficult but surely not an impossible task. 

@ FLYINGDOC - i would love to see more members of this forum to vote on this thread its a shame that there are 654 views of this thread but only 9 votes and see what the majority of flyers of India really believe in and what we really want as we can learn from our and others mistakes and strive to organize much better such amazing events.

if not then lets all sit down with a chilled beer and tlk abt it with a great lough  Drool Clap
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I don't agree to "finalists alone should be in one national event." I see Joe Nall which is a biggest event in the world.. were mostly all Americans participate including beginners to world class pilots around the world

Amby valley event is not a competition were our finalist national pilot has to participate  Head Scratching

Wow ! I seem to be getting really bad at putting things across, or weird conclusions are being drawn out of my words Giggle

1.  I did not mean Aamby Valley as national finals !

2.  Whatever that national finals is, there can always be a half day (or even one day) of fun flying for all, for people who are so inclined. But they should really be having fun in local/regional events and attend the nationals to see the better folks demonstrate the fruits of their added effort.  This ensures that the event is focused on quality, and allows it to be completed in a short timeframe.  What exactly is the point in flying with 25 other planes in the air at the same time ? If you want to do that, do it in the regionals. I would rather watch some people who have put in some efforts and earned a mark of recognition in the finals event.

3.  It does seem to make sense to do this the same way sports in conducted in our country. State and regional level competition performance is what gets them selected to nationals.  Organizations like AMAI can help with this.

4.  In our context, the events should take only 2 days. This whole "which 2 days should I attend" should go away !
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My views expressed in November remain the same!

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-events/12-sundays-to-february-2011/msg39747/#msg39747
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Interesting - some what passionate views !!

Just chiming in here to say that I've never been to
Aamby Valley - Is this open to the " aam jantaa " ??
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Interesting - some what passionate views !!

Just chiming in here to say that I've never been to
Aamby Valley - Is this open to the " aam jantaa " ??


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for visitors that is ..
flyers season pass for 3 days is 3 k
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for visitors that is ..
flyers season pass for 3 days is 3 k

Can all the pilots afford 3K is a question. But the main thing is stay at Amby valley is definetly expensive for average class.
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guys,

this is an event for the mumbai people only, all other flyers have no meaning, neither anybody is competent enough to fly there spending all that money.

i have been there all the time except the last year and have found that only one flyer is doing everything i.e Wasi. the international flyers are invited for pure entertainment.

This event only shows the technological advancement in aeromodelling. but india is still 20 yrs back and learning to fly a .46 size high wing trainer model.

Again i can say that this is a circus of the rich, for the rich and by the rich.
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I would disagree with respect Smiley  While part of what you said are valid, this event does two things that are important.

1. It puts India in the calendar of global RC events, with some recognition.

2. Most importantly, it allows local RC fliers to see some great flying (and probably some new equipment) up close and personal by talented international flyers, without having to spend enormously on travelling outside the country.  There are always things one can pick up from interaction with such people.

It seems unfair to cast the significant efforts of a bunch of people in a totally negative manner ("circus") Sad  At the very least it is just "one way to skin the cat", while there are many ways of doing the same (some of which may be better!).
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Anwar,

i totally agree with point no.1 and point no.2.

but the background is different. i too visit aamby to see the new technological advancement and development in rc. the international flyers are the only event highlight.

But this year it has been very poor and the crowd on saturday was not much. many people returned after the lunch hour.

only three flyers were doing their work. Harveer, Adarsh and Wasi.

I have no grudge against the show. but the event organisers do not show hospitality for the fellow modellers who travel all the way for the event.

believe it or not, people come to see but have a lot to speak but cannot as there is no way they can be heard.

this is my own personal experience.

btw pls look at the no of new entries in the event and every year it seems to be declining.

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I am in surely, next year,
that apart sad to hear, the number is dwindling, three suggestions that i can give is (a) Introduce competitions in much wider category (2) Organise it in more number of cities and more often (c) make it a little more affordable for teenagers, College students

Spoke to couple of them, all of'em, barring none said, it was boring and they left early (Echo Sbajare).

We need to work on making RC activities big, Amby valley meet is one such effort, lets make it bigger next year. cheers to that Thumbs Up
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Wow.. that's a start. 12 votes in so many days.
Guys do u feel that just sitting and not expressing ur views would help in promoting this hobby???
More the ideas and maybe there will be someone to take on the mantle to do something concrete.
Waiting for more replies.
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what is all this fuss about guys.....Huh? The event happened and it was a success. Participation more or less will not decide the success of the show....besides, there were reasons for less participation....

@doc, who will do this sort of thing...?? why has it not been done as yet....?? organizing such a thing is not easy and you have seen it in person over during your presence at aamby....

@bajare sir, what is the kind of hospitality one should expect once local flyers come for an event like this, or any event of this sort any where around the world....Huh? (please bear in mind the number coming in unlike other small events happening in our country where the participation is less and every flyer is recognized...)...why is it that the event is only for people from mumbai....?? There were participation from all across the country, both in terms of flyers as well as visitors....was it really a "CIRCUS" as you mentioned....??

@ron, yes, aamby valley is all about giant stuff....but didnt you got your slots to fly your gasser....?? team indore has done fabulously well over last 3 years...right since I have known harveer and team, you guys have come such a long way in this...how do i know this...?? through this event....dont you and your team feel any sort of cognizance for this....?? what is the sort of "ORGANIZE" expected out of this event...?? this event spanned over a period of 4 days, i guess you were there....do you think that accommodating majority of flyers across the country was possible....Huh?

@sharlock, joe nall is way much bigger in terms of team, budget, regulations etc etc etc as compared to wings india. but still, some more info on joe nall like no. of flyers, visitors etc over here will really justify things....

i m not trying to get into any sort of arguments here....wings india started small....very very small way back in 2005. i have been associated with the club right since then...i have seen it grow big every year...in terms of flyers, aircrafts, equipments etc etc etc. Today, india is known in the international arena because of this event...and this exactly has been the focus of the organizers...to let our country be known to international fraternity....it has started to happen now....name any big flyer or manufacturer, they know us and with a sense of respect...competition has never been the focus of wings india until now....it may or may not happen in the future....but good flyers have always been appreciated during the event...harveer and team, varun, myself and lots of others were appreciated....

international participation is important....cause we watch them and learn....everything doesnt happens watching videos and reading online....I myself have learnt so much just watching these guys fly in front of me....demo slots, some basic competitions, display flying etc takes away the whole four days of the meet....few people on this thread know this very well as they were there on most of the days....

someone posted in this thread that it was a regular sunday flying...was it really a regular sunday flying...?? does any one get to see these models fly in any part of our country on a regular sunday....??

why the entrance fees...?? cause there is money involved in organizing this event at this scale....but the funny part of it is that every year, the meets goes in a loss...one more surprising fact, the registered flyers count every year is between 30-50....the flyers registration in 2005 was around rs. 1000 and now it was rs. 3000. like this year, people have had problem with the entrance money every year...but people who are serious do participate every year and they have no problems....accomodation big problem at aamby, but there are cheaper alternats outside aamby....and loads of them 17kms down in lonavla...travel, a big problem again...but it will be there where ever we organize the meet...aamby is a perfect place to host it due to its features....we evaluated couple of places but found aamby most feasible not because the other places were not good enough, but people over there were not ready to take up the responsibility....hence being in mumbai, aamby was favored....

guys, everyone has a point to make and to express, but please dont demean the efforts of wings india. it happens at times that even i am not aware of whats going on in managements mind for the meet....what i am trying to say is, they have their own objectives which is certainly not personal.....

we all talk, this should happen, that should happen etc etc etc....but why is it that things are not materializing....?? cause the amount of efforts and money involved in organizing such things becomes difficult to manage....who is willing to take responsibility of it...as a person or as a club.....there are enough clubs around the country now, but still nothing happening.....cant blame anyone for this....but when something is happening, lets not negate it...

even i feel there should be competitions and something for everyone, please suggest how do we incorporate it in this event with everything else happening in it. the moment we talk of competitions, there are so many things to cater to....rules, flyers, patterns, judging etc etc etc....how do we manage these things....and besides, the most difficult question that comes to my mind is, who will judge...(controversies is what i see..)??

sorry for being direct....and this issue is quite subjective and it may go on and on and on....but it really doesnt feels good when things are being talked abt in this way....
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