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Question: Should the Format of flying change at Amby Valley???
First timer - Like it as it is - 4 (9.5%)
Not enough done to promote Aeromodelling - 15 (35.7%)
Should have an organized competition - 13 (31%)
Will go back next year - 6 (14.3%)
This was the list time I was there - 4 (9.5%)
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2011, 11:53:41 AM »
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The critics need to take matters into their own hands.  After all, Aamby Valley IS a PRIVATE affair (which is thankfully open to the public, and anyone is on his own discretion to go or not). 

If one wants changes, do it yourself, with the help of a lot of like minded people.

At the risk of self praise, I would say that the existence of this forum is the direct result of such a step... we could not stand the status quo elsewhere, so take matters into our own hands.  Support will come, sooner than later !

As far as Wings India is concerned, if I were you, I would treat this thread as candid feedback, and see if there is anything that can be incorporated into the way things are done to make it more appealing to even more people. 

And yes, the language of the criticism of such a private event could have been milder !
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i m no one but just another critic sir.....and everyones concern is definite as we all love this sport and we all speak out for the love of the sport....

i appreciate your views on this subject sir....
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2011, 01:01:58 AM »
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Wow.. That was a strong one. But, I feel my arrow missed the point that was being made. At present the only aeromodelling event that has been going on consistently for the last 7yrs has been the one organized by Wings India at Amby Valley. And who better than Wings India, to take it up to the level of an organized competition. Wings India has the experience, the expertise and the resources to organize a competition which would help promote aeromodelling in India. I’m sure a lot of like minded people would be very willing to help in the promotion and organization of such an event.

Why has it not been done – Just because, in India, aeromodelling is still in its nascent phase and flyers are few and spread out. The largest bodies are in Mumbai and Delhi. So if one organization or a group of organizations get together why is it that such a competition can not be held.

No body says that they do not want to see some world class WOW flying, but in the same event should the Indian flyers not get an opportunity to show what they have been up to. A perfect example of this would have been the ‘Limbo Flying’.

The little kid from Surat, who was flying the pattern plane, was really good….. infact he was much better than a lot of adults…. He was adjudged the 3rd best in the under 15 category. How do u feel he would have felt at that moment and since then. Biren had the confidence to give his 100 cc gasser to that kid to fly.

And that other boy who was also flying a pattern plane and he sure was flying beautifully. Perfect maneuvers. To the extent that his 8 sided boxes were also perfect. Did many people notice him or was he given any kind of recognition. He deserved much more.

The foreign flyers were really good and were fun to watch. But very few people actually got to learn from them. If you don’t have more people, youngsters and oldies (like me), who may be able to learn from them, then what good is a class for 2 people. That 1 hr class may have taken place over all 4 days, everyday for some newbie to actually benefit from it.

Would it actually be right to say that Amby Valley is “@ron, yes, aamby valley is all about giant stuff”??? If so then it should have been called “jets over Amby Valley”. Anurags event was one for jets and he invited people with jets to be at his place.

Sure people know Harveer through this event and his videos on the net. They have seen his flying in 2009, 2010 and 2011. In helis, how many flyers in India fly better than him? (I don’t know so just asking.) Maybe a few. To the extent that last year Klous too appreciated his flying. Do u feel he is not as good as Adarsh? But then Adarsh is the best heli flyer in India. Fellow flyers know Harveer, not because of anything but his flying.

Sure there was a slot for less than 50 cc…….. right there in the morning between 7 and 8 Am………. Who saw the props being flown?

As for the entrance fee, that is justified. There should be a fee for a flying season and that is the organizers prerogative as to what the fee should be. But should it not be fair? Jets from 10 to 4 and props from 7 to 8, both pay the same. Somebody who is flying a jet already has the resources, but a student who has the skill but has to save from his pocket money to be in this hobby doesn’t.

The views expressed by one and all on this and any other forum are in no way to demean the great efforts put in every year by the organization and club members of Wings India. They are just voices in support of the event with words of how it can be made better.

Visitors from any part of India would travel to Amby Valley, with their models, for??? Sure I’d like to see Sebastiano fly the Hawk. I got to know how a Barrel roll was done, by seeing him roll the hawk…. But how many people saw the kid do good pattern flying? Should an event being held in India, not have the primary motto of promoting Indians?

Organizing an event is really not easy, but it’s not difficult either. One, if u actually have a fair competition along with good demo flying, I’m sure there would be a lot more people willing to travel across India to show that they are better than the rest in their class of flying.

Categories need only be made in props. Jet and Heli flyers come into expert class in general, baring one or two.

46 to 91
Novice
Intermediate

108 to 30 CC petrol
Intermediate
Expert

31 CC petrol to 100 CC petrol
Intermediate
Expert

More than 100 CC
Expert

Lets take 15 flyers in each category, and 5 min per flyer then that is 450min and add 90 min (1 min per flyer start up time). That makes it 9 hrs. Flying time one gets is from 7 to 1 (6hrs) and 2 to 6 (4 hrs). with 1 hr for lunch.
That means that if is done on time then you would have flying time for at least 90 flyers. That’s the first day. 2nd day Jets and Helis. 3rd day Demo flying by the experts in Jets, Helis and Props and Finals on the 4th day. That way flyers would be present on all 4 days and would get to see all that is shown.

Final 4 in each category compete for the finals, with prizes for the first 3 and a consolation for the forth and certificate of participation for the rest.


Guys I’m sure we in India have more than 5 fair, truthful and impartial judges to judge the competition. We should not belittle ourselves by saying that we do not have enough truthful people in out country and sport. And lets say that there is a bias from one of the judges then it would not be, that all 5 sitting judges are biased.

Flying is rules and all of us know that. There are rules on and off the field and a good flyer will always respect those rules. So why not have rules at Amby too.

Pattern flying is still done by just a handful of flyers but sequence flying is done by all. So a flyer gives the judges his sequence and he is judged according to the level of difficulty of the maneuver and finesse of the maneuver. Points have already been laid down for each maneuver and grading would not be a difficult task.

Once this thing picks up…. Sponsors would not hesitate to be a part of the event. They would also get their mileage from the increased participation. And a lot of people would like to be a part of such a novel sport as aeromodelling. In the mean time all of us can pitch in to find sponsors for a national aeromodelling competition.
Taking help of other clubs and organizations would strengthen the aeromodelling network in India and sometime in the near future India could become one of the venues for international competitions. Don’t u think that is a distinct possibility.

Wings India need not be the only organization to host events of this magnitude but the bottom line is that Wings India is one of the very few organizations, that actually has the capability to host an event as big as this.

I might have stepped out of place in some of my observations and would like to be excused for that, but all of this comes directly from my heart. Hope this is taken in the positive.

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@ FLYING DOC - WAW Doc ! ur layout it great . Clap Bow.. thats exactly how i would love to see any future events in India. looks like you have thought about it, thought about it AND thought about it  Giggle . u got everything figured out and calculated with something for every one. now its all about implementing it.

@ WASI - things are easier said than done. no matter how good you are. there will always be that bunch of ppl who always got one thing or the other to complain about. but as a management point of view critisizm is GREAT Thumbs Up that means there is always room for improvement.

wasi -  if it wouldn't be for this thread would you know about what people feel and think about aeromodeling in India and where such events could be improved ?

i think its a great thing "thank you internet, thank you anwar for hosting this website and thank you doc for bringing up this topic"
we all learn through out our lives. NO ONE CAN BE PERFECT  Wink but surely it can be improvements and thats all what is needed.

now coming to clear my point. "sunday flying" -  i have been visiting this awesome event for 3 years ever since i have started this sport, it was the first time i came as a participant. So i felt that putting all this effort of preparing, packing and traveling with the plane/planes wasn't worth it. its not about getting a slot to fly. i would have rather come as a visitor which i always will as aamby valley is the only meet in india where you can learn so much from each other and see so many great aircrafts, flying etc etc ...

if you say "aamby valley is all about giant stuff" does that mean people with less than 50cc should not participate in the meets ? i have no sweat since i am moving to 100cc but what about the "i repeat myself 80-90% of India's aeromodelers who have smaller glow models" ? is it not a bit unfair and i am speaking for the masses here not for myself. i enjoy watching a smaller craft flying just as much as i enjoy watching a giant.

I have seen your immense hard work at aamby where everyone always calls out your name and needs you for everything. truly i must say this event would not even be half for what it is if it wouldn't be for you. Even though you were immensely buisy during the event 'managing AND flying'. u still got the time to be a great host. so hats off to you  Salute i have no complaints at all

I love aamby valley as a location. the weather is great and i think its the best location in india with the largest density of aeromodelers within a 300 km radius.
i.e puna, mumbai and surat as a majority. the only other city i cn think about might be delhi

i wouldn't even be writing so much if it wouldn't be for my passion for the sport. again i would love to see more votes. Drool
we should really try to inform each other and support each other cos all of us have a common LOVE and that is the sport.

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Wow.. That was a strong one. But, I feel my arrow missed the point that was being made. At present the only aeromodelling event that has been going on consistently for the last 7yrs has been the one organized by Wings India at Amby Valley. And who better than Wings India, to take it up to the level of an organized competition. Wings India has the experience, the expertise and the resources to organize a competition which would help promote aeromodelling in India. I’m sure a lot of like minded people would be very willing to help in the promotion and organization of such an event.

Like minded people....where are they...?? format of Aamby - display...not competition...like i said, competition was never on the charts...whatever happens in the name of the competition is to keep the tempo going...never this event has witnessed true competition...many reasons for it...in short, this format if this event is exactly the opposite of what you are suggesting....and it is with all the experience and expertise of last 7 years that this format has been thought of....and i repeat again, the focus was never competition...it may or may not happen in future...

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Why has it not been done – Just because, in India, aeromodelling is still in its nascent phase and flyers are few and spread out. The largest bodies are in Mumbai and Delhi. So if one organization or a group of organizations get together why is it that such a competition can not be held.

Whatever said and done, it is still not happening....how and when....??

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No body says that they do not want to see some world class WOW flying, but in the same event should the Indian flyers not get an opportunity to show what they have been up to. A perfect example of this would have been the ‘Limbo Flying’.

how many indian flyers did turned up....?? again, like i said before, the format is looking at all these things that has happened in past....hosting a competition of 3 -5 flyers...??...and amongst all present, how many indian flyer did compete in the limbo...?? was it so difficult that an intermediate would not have entered in limbo...??

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The little kid from Surat, who was flying the pattern plane, was really good….. infact he was much better than a lot of adults…. He was adjudged the 3rd best in the under 15 category. How do u feel he would have felt at that moment and since then. Biren had the confidence to give his 100 cc gasser to that kid to fly.

isn't it a classic example when i said "i see controversies..." werent there senior people in this sport around to make the difference.....

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And that other boy who was also flying a pattern plane and he sure was flying beautifully. Perfect maneuvers. To the extent that his 8 sided boxes were also perfect. Did many people notice him or was he given any kind of recognition. He deserved much more.

This boy is Aditya Jayakar from Mumbai...won under 50cc category last year along with varun...he was appreciated last year (won a jet engine for himself)....just that this year, there was no event supporting his category...

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The foreign flyers were really good and were fun to watch. But very few people actually got to learn from them. If you don’t have more people, youngsters and oldies (like me), who may be able to learn from them, then what good is a class for 2 people. That 1 hr class may have taken place over all 4 days, everyday for some newbie to actually benefit from it.

Good point.....this can certainly help....but still, we all got our share of chances to meet the big boys and learn and understand from them....informal types....we can do it more formally next year...(is this what you meant...??)

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Would it actually be right to say that Amby Valley is “@ron, yes, aamby valley is all about giant stuff”??? If so then it should have been called “jets over Amby Valley”. Anurags event was one for jets and he invited people with jets to be at his place.

Sure, but its not just about jets....it about the whole sport...and what i meant for giant stuffs is that the bigger models are so many that the smaller models are not seen....simply outnumbered....but did the meet circular ever mentioned that smaller models are not allowed....more number of smaller aircrafts would have forced the organizers to create a spot event for them....like limbo happened which was not planned....

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Sure people know Harveer through this event and his videos on the net. They have seen his flying in 2009, 2010 and 2011. In helis, how many flyers in India fly better than him? (I don’t know so just asking.) Maybe a few. To the extent that last year Klous too appreciated his flying. Do u feel he is not as good as Adarsh? But then Adarsh is the best heli flyer in India. Fellow flyers know Harveer, not because of anything but his flying.

dont want to comment on anyones personal flying....both harveer and adarsh are good....better than them in our country, may or may not....but i certainly know harveer only cause of this event.... and i m sure lots of people will...and ofcourse because of his flying...what this person has achieved in last 2 years is exceptional....the whole indore team for that matter has been extremely impressive...not only in flying but they way they go around, the team, the dedication, the efforts, the love for the hobby...fabulous....and the fact of who is better and who is not...."CONTROVERSIES"...

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Sure there was a slot for less than 50 cc…….. right there in the morning between 7 and 8 Am………. Who saw the props being flown?

there were people coming and flying in the morning....i have seen them....but it went un-noticed cause not competition....had there been any sort of competition, it would have started at regular time, like every year....

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As for the entrance fee, that is justified. There should be a fee for a flying season and that is the organizers prerogative as to what the fee should be. But should it not be fair? Jets from 10 to 4 and props from 7 to 8, both pay the same. Somebody who is flying a jet already has the resources, but a student who has the skill but has to save from his pocket money to be in this hobby doesn’t.

sir, the time would have been taken keeping few things in mind....there were obviously more number of jets flying (doesnt means that there were more jets...)...start up, fly and shut down does takes time and hence last minute change in schedule....yes, i felt offended too but i have faith in organizers and i m sure that there were reasons for it....

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The views expressed by one and all on this and any other forum are in no way to demean the great efforts put in every year by the organization and club members of Wings India. They are just voices in support of the event with words of how it can be made better.

"would have done much more on a regular sunday..." and "CIRCUS"....isint it a bit harsh....i completely understand your views on the whole thing....but tell me, is it justified....?? less flyer, more flyer, competition, no competition, making things better etc etc etc, i wouldnt have even commented on this issue, but comments like these....!!!

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Visitors from any part of India would travel to Amby Valley, with their models, for??? Sure I’d like to see Sebastiano fly the Hawk. I got to know how a Barrel roll was done, by seeing him roll the hawk…. But how many people saw the kid do good pattern flying? Should an event being held in India, not have the primary motto of promoting Indians?

everyone saw him fly sir....but sure, no token of appreciation...i felt bad too...sure this kid would have nailed a lot of flyers around...but unfortunately it didnt happened....but comparing seba to him....?? please understand sir, who is getting promoted here, the hobby and its pursuance in india or seba...?? please look at things as a whole....

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Organizing an event is really not easy, but it’s not difficult either. One, if u actually have a fair competition along with good demo flying, I’m sure there would be a lot more people willing to travel across India to show that they are better than the rest in their class of flying.

yes, i agree, its not easy but not difficult either....but then y not more event happening in the country....?? and about people traveling, i disagree sir....tried and tested various formats in last 7 years...team indore did it, but not many people will be able to....forget about class, even general participation wont come....and i am talking fact....

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Categories need only be made in props. Jet and Heli flyers come into expert class in general, baring one or two.

46 to 91
Novice
Intermediate

108 to 30 CC petrol
Intermediate
Expert

31 CC petrol to 100 CC petrol
Intermediate
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More than 100 CC
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Lets take 15 flyers in each category, and 5 min per flyer then that is 450min and add 90 min (1 min per flyer start up time). That makes it 9 hrs. Flying time one gets is from 7 to 1 (6hrs) and 2 to 6 (4 hrs). with 1 hr for lunch.

nice format sir....certainly in for next years proposal....like you said, easier said than done...but this issue again i say is very subjective....event is for 4 days, but it kick starts only on friday....the earlier formats were only for 3 days ie. friday, sat and sun...request anwar sir to start a new thread on this where we all can share our views on the format...guess there is a thread already running in general but a more specific one on aamby meet will help....

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That means that if is done on time then you would have flying time for at least 90 flyers. That’s the first day. 2nd day Jets and Helis. 3rd day Demo flying by the experts in Jets, Helis and Props and Finals on the 4th day. That way flyers would be present on all 4 days and would get to see all that is shown.

Final 4 in each category compete for the finals, with prizes for the first 3 and a consolation for the forth and certificate of participation for the rest.

agreed....but the focus is lost...should we invite foreign flyers to fly only on one day for a flight or 2...?? who will be interested to cart their equipments all the way across for this...?? you have a point here doc, but dont you feel the charm of the meet will reduce....?? i m sorry but its a genuine question....not resisting here...

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Guys I’m sure we in India have more than 5 fair, truthful and impartial judges to judge the competition. We should not belittle ourselves by saying that we do not have enough truthful people in out country and sport. And lets say that there is a bias from one of the judges then it would not be, that all 5 sitting judges are biased.

where are they....?? i have seen this hobby up close and personal....may not be the best of the flyer around but i understand flying and people associated....i have never in my flying career of 7 years come across a second fair guy (considering the first one is always fair...)...not belittling, but anyone in our country who will possess the knowledge of judging will not judge, but compete....i have seen it practically...in any event, if they exist, how many events here has actually seen them...?? infact, at one point of time when we were discussing the competition for the meet, we seriously gave it a thought to sponsor a foreign guy to come and judge....just sharing...

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Flying is rules and all of us know that. There are rules on and off the field and a good flyer will always respect those rules. So why not have rules at Amby too.

Pattern flying is still done by just a handful of flyers but sequence flying is done by all. So a flyer gives the judges his sequence and he is judged according to the level of difficulty of the maneuver and finesse of the maneuver. Points have already been laid down for each maneuver and grading would not be a difficult task.

yes....completely with you on this one....this one goes in next years proposal too...and we will definitely need a qualified judge for this....Smiley

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Once this thing picks up…. Sponsors would not hesitate to be a part of the event. They would also get their mileage from the increased participation. And a lot of people would like to be a part of such a novel sport as aeromodelling. In the mean time all of us can pitch in to find sponsors for a national aeromodelling competition.

Sponsors hesitate to sponsor this meet sir that too at such a commercial level where we are at par with most of international events....i know the efforts being put by the team every year to get the sponsors....still, not much luck....hope, it will be easier to get sponsors for national aeromodelling competition...

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Taking help of other clubs and organizations would strengthen the aeromodelling network in India and sometime in the near future India could become one of the venues for international competitions. Don’t u think that is a distinct possibility.

this has started to happen since last year right since the WI's affiliation with ACI. more tie ups may happen this year....venue for international competitions, mmmm, difficult to say....so many things involved especially getting thru authorities....dont see it happen in near future....

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Wings India need not be the only organization to host events of this magnitude but the bottom line is that Wings India is one of the very few organizations, that actually has the capability to host an event as big as this.

yes, i agree....will make sure that organizers read this and hope they will implement things in common interest in future events....

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yes dude....everything is not perfect....there is a lot of room for improvement...i understand and agree....and anwar sir, really a hearty thanks cause i certainly understand what people think about the hobby through this site....

i feel there is a difference between suggestion and sarcasm....dont forget that loads of people read these sites and the way things are put, what sort of impressions will it create on the people who has not visited the event and plan to visit next year....?? "oh chuck it...who wants to visit an event which just demonstrates a regular sunday flying....?"...as is, the so called rich people involved in this "CIRCUS" already have a spoilt name....and let me tell you, 80% of the flying fraternity around the country thinks of Aamby event as described above....and amongst many other reasons, this was one for less participation....what we write on open forums like these does have an effect on reader....

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now coming to clear my point. "sunday flying" -  i have been visiting this awesome event for 3 years ever since i have started this sport, it was the first time i came as a participant. So i felt that putting all this effort of preparing, packing and traveling with the plane/planes wasn't worth it. its not about getting a slot to fly. i would have rather come as a visitor which i always will as aamby valley is the only meet in india where you can learn so much from each other and see so many great aircrafts, flying etc etc ...

the competitions were cancelled on the last minute and it was not informed....wrong on the organizers part of not informing well in time or doing last minute cancellations.....but inspite of people not knowing that the competitions were cancelled, how many competition flyers turned up....?? and this was the reason they were called off and instead the time was reallotted....point taken sir, and a great drawback on organizers front for this...it would have been better if one would have witnessed it as a visitor...but people saw you fly....as a team, in a team and thats what makes your team stand out....would i or anyone else have had the same impression about your team if only harveer would have flown....?? and what if every flyer in the country starts thinking like you....?? we all talk of camaraderie and supporting this hobby....how will it happen if people start taking these stand....??

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if you say "aamby valley is all about giant stuff" does that mean people with less than 50cc should not participate in the meets ? i have no sweat since i am moving to 100cc but what about the "i repeat myself 80-90% of India's aeromodelers who have smaller glow models" ? is it not a bit unfair and i am speaking for the masses here not for myself. i enjoy watching a smaller craft flying just as much as i enjoy watching a giant.

ya, even i enjoy watching smaller aircraft fly...but most of the visitor dont....y will someone visit a remote destination hundreds of kms away, with all the hardwork to watch small aircrafts fly....?? aditya flew so well, but y did his flying went un-noticed....?? I clarified my point about giant stuffs with doc in my previous post....and how many giant scale flyers got appreciated in the meet....?? biren, varun, umesh uncle, sandeep, Mr. jahagirdar, your team, nandan and so many went un noticed....these were all flyers flying 50cc and above or jets...where is the question of being biased....?? and look at the brighter side of it, you are moving into a 100cc category...maybe we are in for some more surprises from indore next year....Smiley

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I have seen your immense hard work at aamby where everyone always calls out your name and needs you for everything. truly i must say this event would not even be half for what it is if it wouldn't be for you. Even though you were immensely buisy during the event 'managing AND flying'. u still got the time to be a great host. so hats off to you  Salute i have no complaints at all

I m out of words and dont know how to take this one....but thank you....i really appreciate your kind words....btw, my name was being called only by umesh uncle cause i was flying his piper....everything else was just normal where my name was being called for other back end activities....i have grown big with this event and have learnt so much since last so many years of my association with it...and this event would have grown in the same manner, with our without me...or anyone for that matter...

voting has only 5 normal points to vote to and everything is fine with the poll...i myself agree that there is room for improvement....if not catering to mass flyers in india, this meet may become a trade fair in the future... who knows...but the poll doesnt has any remarks that creates negativity in the whole process....which probably is reflected in this thread replies....

i wouldnt have been writing so much either if it was not for the love of the sport and my love for this meet which has done so so much to improve this sports standard in our country. guys, you will not believe the kind of recognition we have internationally now....i have been to two international events last year, one was Jet Power 2010 and other was UAE TOPJETS....the kind of treatment indian team got at both these place was outstanding....they respect us so much, respect our flying, our culture....i interacted with so many international flyers at these two places and they all want to be a part of this event...it feels so great and proud at that moment....seems like an achievement...and they all know us by the name Wings India and this meet....

dont want to drag on to this one as it may go on and on forever....it certainly pinches with few remarks that were made in this thread....i m sure if senior organizers read this, they wouldn't like it either....

anyways, extremely sorry again for being direct....and as we all say, its for the love of the sport...

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guys let me ask you one question only in reverse ?
can i have 10 guys here who are willing to join the MC of team WI and pitch in the funds for organising the event ?

the reason is that WI barely receovers 25% of its expense
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Never been there, so I am certainly under qualified to comment... here goes anyways !

1.  Competitions like limbos (upright or inverted) but using ONLY small foamy electrics is a fun competition, which many people can participate without the risk of losing too much money in the event of crashes.  Some how the very slow (high alpha / harrier) ones will need to be excluded, otherwise people will just prop hang their planes slowly underneath.

2.  It is clear that a larger audience (participants or just visitors) is for everyone's best interests.  So it would help to reduce the time allocation and shed some of the focus on the jets and big gassers, and accommodate the smaller one in a more prominent fashion.  One full day of smaller sizes flying would certainly pique interest the of "aam janta".

3.  A scale modelling competition will always be good, even if there ends up being only a single participant.

4.  Fear of fair judging should not be a factor in deciding events.  There is a saying in Kerala which goes roughly as "there will be 2 opinions even if you beat your mother"... just try the best you can to be fair, and that's it. The standard technique of having 5 judges and then removing the least and highest scores to remove biases may be employed.

Certainly planning to attend next year !
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guys let me ask you one question only in reverse ?
can i have 10 guys here who are willing to join the MC of team WI and pitch in the funds for organising the event ?

the reason is that WI barely receovers 25% of its expense

Puneet, I'm already on it, since we came back from Amby and have been talking to a few people. Will get back to you as soon as I have something concrete. Could we make up a list of organizations or companies that we as aeromodellers or on an individual basis can talk to?
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Mr. Ratan Tata---I
Dr. Vijay Malya---I--> Patrons and benefactors for aeromodelling in India as all have been flyers
Mr. Singhania-----I
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Pepsi
Oil companies like Shell,
Maybe Tower and Hobby king
Some distileries and Breweries
Maybe companies like Thunder tiger and ASP

Just some of the names that come to my mind. People who have contacts can maybe approach them and hopefully work out winning propositions.
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here is where we come back to the Q that who is going to follow it up year round !!

all we can say is been there done that !! with personal contacts and event mgmt guys etc etc at all !!

that is why the no 1 suggestion of getting 10 guys pan india on the events MC
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Bossman,  were any of the aeromodellers from other places taken into confidence and were any of them invited to be a part of the MC? Just asking to get my facts clear as to not finding like minded people and not having support of the rest of India in making this event a success.


P.S You were missed a lot by one and all and specially all of us from Indore.
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P.S You were missed a lot by one and all and specially all of us from Indore.

i second that doc.
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With sponsors like Pepsi, etc., it is a "chicken/egg" situation. They will spend if there are enough spectators but how do we attract people without spending?

I have a suggestion. Wings India could have two events. One for the domestic modellers with the Amby valley meet left somewhat exclusive - the way it is at present, and possibly made a biennial event. Expenses for such an event would be  much lower and , at the same time, you would rake in more via sponsorship.  Revenue from entry tickets would also be more because of sheer numbers.You would have much more participation and, likely, spectators in thousands. The competitions could be held on one or two days with "fun fly" and demos for the public on the final day.


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Nope, any and every one can vote. In fact if a lot of people voted we would have a clearer picture as to what people expect from such events so that future events may be planned in an easier manner.
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Nope, any and every one can vote. In fact if a lot of people voted we would have a clearer picture as to what people expect from such events so that future events may be planned in an easier manner.

How can someone comment who has not been there ? Do we just need numbers here ? or are we looking for some useful feedback
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+1 Gaurav... the poll options are strictly tailored to people who have already been there (and it sounds like "this year" also) Head Scratching
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Ok yep they were made after coming back from Amby, but then a person who has not been to Amby would not be able to give a justified opinion also. Going through the thread, maybe wrong, but what I have understood is that, whatever the opinion, of the general public, the organizers would be the best judges as to what the event should be. No amount of public suggestions wil change the format of the same.

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doc. i think u r the most passionate person about this hobby that i have ever seen... and can u believe it guys ? he has only been in this hobby since 2 years and flying since only ONE YEAR  Salute  Clap  Bow
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Thanks Aaron, i came to the field in Jan 2010 and started flying in March 2010. Guess at this time passion is the one thing I've got. Skill, I still have to get hehe.
See u back soon, and get that 100 cc with u.
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its people like YOU who are needed in aeromodeling in India. People who dont just talk of making change but also do and try their best to do so.
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First of all my congratulations to the organisers for hosting such a grand event. In terms of location aamby valley seems to be the perfect place. My SUGGESTION to the organisers is, since the objective of the meet seems to be more of a display thing rather than a competition; why not invite an internationally acclaimed judge instead of one international flyer. The judge will be able to help us improve our performance in terms of pattern flying,aerobatics etc... . Plus the money spent on the judge will be much less than a pilot and help us in our weak areas Smiley

Also I noticed some major breaches in terms of safety. Jet pilots regularly directed their jet exhausts towards the spectators or the viewing area close to the runway(the one where some type of fence were setup where the press were shooting). also a couple of times the airplane flew over to the spectator side  which I think is quite risky.

overall the event is great but unless some sort of new concepts are introduced spectators and flyers are going to loose interest
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