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Title: designing own planes
Post by: Tanmay.mathur on December 21, 2015, 09:27:11 PM
I had made more than a 100 design of Coro and foam pushers but didn't got resources at time . so couldn't built any.
I wish to know that what are the parameters to keep in mind while DESIGNING pusher planes.
So that i know to get further in designing or stop.
Thanks


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on December 23, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
WHILE desinging a pusher plane everything is as usual as like a tractor

the major difference is

the thrust line:   its going to stay above centre of gravity; centre of pressure; aerodynamic centre too....

and you will be limited by prop size.... so u ll be forced to higher kv motor and lower size prop


Title: Re:
Post by: rcrcnitesh on December 23, 2015, 02:27:34 PM
If you want to build a trainer corro pusher plane then you can build  Extreme sports pusher trainer. Plans available on rcgroups.com.


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Tanmay.mathur on December 23, 2015, 07:57:12 PM
I use to pass the thrust line through cg .
But that increases angle of decelence.
How to deal with that


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: K K Iyer on December 23, 2015, 08:27:50 PM
I use to pass the thrust line through cg .
But that increases angle of decelence.
How to deal with that

Angle of decelence  ???


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on December 23, 2015, 11:32:32 PM
I use to pass the thrust line through cg .
But that increases angle of decelence.
How to deal with that


sir actually you should not do that and you  ll not be able  to do that


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on December 23, 2015, 11:48:02 PM
generally in pusher type planes the motors are at top...

to compensate your pitch down moment you ll be forced to coincide the thrust line with c.g along the longitudinal axis

but you cant do that... if u want to do that you need to place your battery at top of the plane as far as possible....

other simple thing you can do are

      (i)   always trim the elevator for a pitch up moment
     (ii)   if you are using flat plate  as horizontal stablizer place it at some degree
     (iii)  use a unsymmetrical aerofoil for the horizontal stablizer


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on December 23, 2015, 11:58:53 PM
but you need to counter few problems in the above solutions

the common thing for all the three is the distance between the cg and horizontal stablizer must be greater comparing to tractor inorder to create a huge moment with less force


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on December 24, 2015, 12:04:34 AM
the first one    "always trim the elevator for a pitch up moment"

since the elevator is sacrificed for solving pitching problem.... you may not be able to use it for pitching and climbing

the second one  "if you are using flat plate  as horizontal stablizer place it at some degree"

since it is placed at an angle already it may reach  stalling soon



Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on December 24, 2015, 12:09:07 AM
an example of this technique
http://scienceguyorg.blogspot.in/2013/07/stol-aircraft-i-learned-something-new.html


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Tanmay.mathur on January 01, 2016, 12:42:20 PM
I think I did some glide tests with proper ballasted cg
And that concluded   that those designs actually worked     though some had a limitations of max 10" prop
But I think that's large enough for those < 1kg planes AUW.


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 01, 2016, 12:45:57 PM
actually sir...  when you does a glidetest there is no thrust


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 01, 2016, 12:47:23 PM
if you post some pictures it ll be great


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Tanmay.mathur on January 01, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
Yeah true said but after that realisation
 I laughed a lot     can't post pics using a WAP connection


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 01, 2016, 02:16:16 PM
i can do an  help sir... if u give me details about ur plane i can make a 3d diagrm using solidworks for u


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Tanmay.mathur on January 01, 2016, 08:01:11 PM
thanks dev.  its much simple. it has very thin wooden. tail boom and frontal part is all the volume . spans 1200mm and lengths 900mm and fuselage is 300mm high . 


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 02, 2016, 12:11:59 AM
sir fuselage is 300mm high...thats too much...pls tell the problem you are using


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 02, 2016, 12:24:26 AM
http://flitetest.com/articles/Motor_angles_for_pusher_planes


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Tanmay.mathur on January 02, 2016, 11:34:26 AM
fuse is that high because to accept the 1045 prop .


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 02, 2016, 11:43:41 AM
the plane continously goes down... am i right?


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Tanmay.mathur on January 02, 2016, 12:03:43 PM
yeah when powered.

made an 22° up thrust
 moved the wings as high as possible to minimize the down pitching moment arm


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Devanesan Andrews on January 02, 2016, 12:08:51 PM
dont do that sir... it will affect your forward flight velocity which will straight away decraeses lift.... use a clarky aerofoil for the horizontal stablizer and place it at 1 to 2 degrees... and then trim the plane... the problem will be solved


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Tanmay.mathur on January 02, 2016, 12:37:37 PM
there is no problem when I.  decrease the upthrust to 4° and moved the wings to the height of motor.    looks bad fly's cool


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Tanmay.mathur on January 02, 2016, 12:39:02 PM
will soon buy a rx to test it real rc.


Title: Re: designing own planes
Post by: Tanmay.mathur on March 24, 2016, 11:11:30 PM
Bumping a old threat
made several pusher planes each chucky.
What works best is 2 to 8 degree thrust angle  .
Although 0 thrust angle works but needs flaps down.