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« on: October 05, 2013, 03:47:04 PM »
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i received a parcel from hobby king , there was not item in the box it was repacked ,replaced with some books ,as i can see it from the tore end of the box and the condition of the parcel was not even in good shape , the box was tore from different ends , i am wondering what to do now .
if any body have had this kind of experience ever please share , i am really sick of almost every type of government department.

   
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2013, 03:57:09 PM »
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Go to post office and write a written complaint and get a acknowledgement receipt... You won't get the product back, but internal departmental investigation happens, as they have to close it anyhow. It have a very very low impact but it happens. This is mostly done by sorter staff who are on contracts and keep doing same things. I am victim of few (domestic only), but after complaining things improve for some time.

Imagine if this hobby becomes more famous in India, then all the members will have a library of junk books at home  Bang Head Bang Head Bang Head
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2013, 06:11:08 PM »
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thanks for the information , that is i will going to do , i am really ready to follow any type of method to get my thing back or at least i want to teach a lesson  to them,

Will some thing like RTI will do anything in this case ,as i only know about it , so that there should be some good impact , 
if yes how to file an RTI

please guide if somebody have a clue
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2013, 06:47:03 PM »
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When something like this happens, it's probably not one individual but a group conspiring together where each one receives a percentage.  One person can't get away with opening and then replacing tape.  Presumably they put cameras in the sorting places as a preventative measure since they know theft is likely to occur.

Let us know what kind of response you receive from the Post Office.

If you don't voice your complaints then nothing changes and then your kids and grandkids will face the same frustrations.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 06:49:51 PM »
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You have to follow Anand advice it really helps. It happens mostly at the Customs office or local post only. Once I did not receive a package in the beginning when I came to Shillong 3 years back, where the mandate was showing shipped to Destination.

I logged official complaint about the loss with a copy to all both online and by registered post with ack to all concerned to Grievance cell head east, Customs office Kolkata, Main Head Office Shillong. Since it was logged online also  it was registered with head office at New Delhi too.

Now it had to be acted upon since it was a Docketed Complaint. All I wanted was outcome of investigation. I pursued with correspondence for two years long after even HobbyKing refunded the complete amount on complaint with Hobby King.

Till date I have not got the outcome of Investigation, though I must have received close to 50 letters from various levels on the progress of investigation about that single parcel as to who is asking whom for what data or detail. They could not trace it at all.

However outcome was very good since then for past three years none of my Parcels close to 60 in numbers have been lost after that the local postman used to hold the parcel for me deliver it by hand after tracing where ever I am. He used to hold it for me even if I was out of station. The Old man was on the verge of his retirement. It got to be a bit of embarrassment for all concerned now especially for the old man since the 50 letter of progress on investigation which I received from various offices of post and customs the local post office also received one copy.

I felt bad for him so I left the case die without pursuing any further after two years. Knowing me I would have pursued it on file for three more years more causing utter embarrassment to all concerned outcome or no outcome. If you pursue it politely, patiently and with consistency it is not difficult to know where it got lost.  
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2013, 06:54:58 PM »
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After submitting a written complaint, if you are not receiving any response from them, then you can go for RTI i guess.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/147012/goods-foreign-parcels-fall-prey.html

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/postal-dept-loses-rs-5000-saree-pays-rs-120-compensation/850543/

Just go through the article, might be of some help
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2013, 08:14:42 PM »
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@ leabres

india is running on a quote @ MIGHT IS RIGHT@  , i mean to say there is no respect for an individual common citizen , unlike in other developed countries where there is there is a equal respect for every individual .

but now the time is changing here too , lots of famous and power full people are in jail  (also you can see that we are also discussing something to solve  ) but still there  is a long way left.
 i will not be sitting idle ,needs patience ,but i  will do something as SUNDARAM suggested.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2013, 08:16:56 PM »
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@ andand

This is the first thing i will going to do on monday .as the post office is closed .i will let you know the status
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2013, 08:26:41 PM »
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@ sundaram

First of all thank you for the information , this is not the first time i am facing this situation , i have ignored many small parcel lost , though they were near to 1000 rs some time,as i never want to go through any hassle , but now i think there is no option left for me .
i know that there will be no response and this is a loss like always , but lets see what can be done so that at least someone will not the feel the same way i am experiencing ,as MR LEABRES said it will happen to our progeny , i f some thing cannot be done .
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2013, 08:27:27 PM »
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Just go through the article, might be of some help

yes you are probably right , even i am not sure , let me go through these articles ,
thankyou so much for the search
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2013, 09:39:40 PM »
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As an individual I have the right to know. How & where this lapse happened, who is reponsible for it, what action you have taken on the concerned party responsible, how you as a service provider are going to ensure this lapse is not going to be repeated. For a service provider to even answer one question is not an easy job without accepting thier flaws which need plugging. As a service provider you are expected to be ready with answer to all. This should be the approach of all consumers. As per guidelines of RTI every organisation is supposed to maintain independent dept for reddressal of grievance and answers to above. All you have to do is exploit these channels. Respective web sites are supposed to display contacts of all these dept.
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sundaram thankyou so much for the guidance , First i will go to the post office on monday and lets see what answer i will get , as i the parcel is in my home but i have not opened it but that i clearly visible that there is nothing in the parcel from the tore  end ,
nobody have signed on the receiving ,as we all know the postman from years .
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2013, 09:54:29 PM »
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"According to Section 6 of Indian Post Office Act, the postal office is exempted from any liability for the loss, mis-delivery, delay or damage to any parcel booked with it, except if such loss has been caused due to wilful negligence on the part of an employee."

Quoted from the links i posted earlier, and after reading this im really not sure whats going to happen in this particular case, since Vineet did receive the parcel but the content was missing, so it would come under "loss caused due to wilful negligence on part of an employee." But then again this has to be proved !?

Well what were the contents of your shipment Vineet?
I have some sunnysky BL motors on the way from aliexpress, hope it gets through safely aside from the delayed delivery.
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2013, 10:00:32 PM »
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my parcel was also mutilated badly and torn at the corner but it had only ESC's so i think it was not of much interest to them. now i realize it was a narrow escape. i will be careful next time and choose alternative shipping method.
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2013, 08:37:22 AM »
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"According to Section 6 of Indian Post Office Act, the postal office is exempted from any liability for the loss, mis-delivery, delay or damage to any parcel booked with it, except if such loss has been caused due to wilful negligence on the part of an employee."

Quoted from the links i posted earlier, and after reading this im really not sure whats going to happen in this particular case, since Vineet did receive the parcel but the content was missing, so it would come under "loss caused due to wilful negligence on part of an employee." But then again this has to be proved !?

Well what were the contents of your shipment Vineet?
I have some sunnysky BL motors on the way from aliexpress, hope it gets through safely aside from the delayed delivery.


i have read those articles and i have made my mind that this is loss for me , but still man there is something to be done ,
As this was not a small item
there was a BIG TURNIGY 9XR radio with some props and servos in the box , i mean it is really a big thing that one cannot put it in pocket easily ,also nobody can take it out from the box without entirely opening it with some group involved as mr LEABRES said, as there was a box in the box .
I am suspicious about CHENNAI FOREIGN POST OFFICE as i know these post office guys in delhi  cannot do it, but lets see
Also if somebody knew about the radio ,he must come to this forum someday to sell it .
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2013, 09:43:06 AM »
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Bro our sympathies are with you. We all know how frustrating it can be. As many of have suffered the losses I suggest that in place of filing individual complaints we should sign a petition and submit it to Ministry of Communications and Information Technology. We can make it public by spreading it across through the mass media and involve more people. This will definitely lead to a strict action against the culprits as it will be impossible to ignore this petition.
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2013, 11:48:20 AM »
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The simulator TX I sent to Anand in Mumbai showed th eparcel made it to Mumbai but never delivered.  Six months later and no word even after filing complaint.
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2013, 01:00:53 PM »
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i am wondering if anybody here has ever recovered  missed or stole item  ever  .
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2013, 03:41:50 PM »
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Well that's why buying something online is always my second preference
Private shippers also do the same
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2013, 03:20:45 PM »
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today i opened my package from hobbyking which was recieved by my wife few days back, it contained folded indian magazines. Now i am in a state of confusion as to do what....
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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2013, 03:31:15 PM »
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launch a police complaint, because this is not the first time happening, they will trace whats going on ?

Dont just leave it like that....it may give them another chance to do the same thing...
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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2013, 04:21:41 PM »
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police complaint!! will they listen... i thought i had to complain to the postal dept. but they also would not respond. the total cost including shipping was 150 $. does hobbyking do something about it?
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@Vishal:
you must have found out by now that same thing has happened with other members also.
It is not limited to HK or foreign parcels or to any particular region in India and they can steal everything
they can get their hands on...you can read it here:

http://www.consumercomplaints.in/complaints/indian-postal-services-c282685.html
http://www.consumercourt.in/other-department/98092-india-post-employees-stole-contents-speedpost-parcel.html
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/speed-post-india-c41786.html
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/147012/goods-foreign-parcels-fall-prey.html

I posted a message in this topic a few days back about signing some kind of petition (not limited to RC India) against the 'chor' employees
but it seems people prefer lodging individual complaints and running place to place without getting any positive outcome.
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2013, 06:52:31 PM »
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It is very unfortunate. I get my HK/Towers/Ebay items shipped to my Office address which is in a SEZ. I bet the Postal guys would be concerned not to fiddle with Post addressed to a company. out of at least 200+ small-big package, I have lost only 3-4 very small packages which might have got lost anywhere from Docks to even my office.

If you find the Indian Postal Dept / Customs not honest in your area, you can always opt for FedEx/DHL at higher costs. If you still face the problem, better go for LHS in India.
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sorry to hear about it vishal ,

 i also have some hundred dollar books , lying around here in my room ,
what was the condition of the parcel ? was the parcel tore from any end ?
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