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« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2014, 09:51:41 PM »
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What is an "UAS" exactly? Everything I fly, is a toy. Grin
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« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2014, 09:52:03 PM »
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AMAI is undergoing a lot of change, last heard Mr Nagar is no more the President of AMAI, as usual..this petty politics too was predicted



In fact federation will be engaged in petty politics when the axe comes down, it is mass movement from  free spirits through forums like this that will / can make a difference.



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« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2014, 10:07:49 PM »
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AMAI is undergoing a lot of change, last heard Mr Nagar is no more the President of AMAI, as usual..this petty politics too was predicted






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« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2014, 10:08:36 PM »
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I second that the defination of a 'drone' needs to be cleared
What is a dron ?
What is its range ?
What is its payload ?
Etc , as of now we dont know anything so calling our quads as drones makes no sense
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« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2014, 10:26:57 PM »
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Since i fly control line on 60 ft lines, i now propose to stop doing wingovers.

(If this doesn't make sense to RC guys, just remember to fly below 20 meters, 5.5km away from airports, when it's not foggy or cloudy and you can SEE your model with your OWN eyes, especially if you do not have an Instrument Rating...)
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« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2014, 11:12:35 PM »
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Respected Sir,
Does your captioned notice mean that that all recreational flying by aeromodellers is to be stopped?
Since i have been an aeromodeller for the last 45 years, and i and my wife fly RC models at an empty plot on sundays with a few friends, i need to know if it is still legal to do so.
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« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2014, 11:20:44 PM »
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Hi guys , so I went to my family lawyer with my dad and showed him a copy of the notice , the lawyer  said that the notice is meant to scare off the pizza delivery people , and the police is not gonna do anything , if my dad and I fly with the permission of the landlord/contractor of that ground . And the police is certainly not going to put an inch tape to check whether I was flying below 20m or not . This was meant for me and I can't take responsibility of anyone else .
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« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2014, 11:41:09 PM »
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For everybody else , please contact your lawyers and follow their advice .
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@devangflyer
Sir,
This is potentially a serious issue.
If you have obtained a formal legal opinion from a lawyer, please share it for our benefit.
If what you have is merely a friendly (as opposed to legal) opinion, kindly refrain from posting in public, as it could be misunderstood and misinterpretted.
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« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2014, 11:45:14 PM »
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While I agree to DGCA's concerns and there have been irresponsible endeavors, I do not concur with:

DGCA is in the process of formulating the regulations (and globally harmonize
those) for certification & operation for use
of UAS in the Indian Civil Airspace. Till such
regulations are issued, no non government agency, organization, or an individual will
launch a UAS in Indian Civil Airspace for any purpose whatsoever.


1. The hobby has been here for a while, haven't such warnings come up earlier? has anything come out of post-discussion, or have there been any discussion for real?

2. "Till". What do you guys think, how long will the "till" last?
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« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2014, 11:45:35 PM »
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My dad has been living here for almost a year now , although I am new here , I trust his new lawyer's advice , and I'm sure his opinion was a legal one . But still because i am new in Pune , that's why I'm saying that everyone should ask their own lawyer .
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2. "Till". What do you guys think, how long will the "till" last?

Obviously till the FAA decides!

I agree that DGCA's notice is over the top.
But, rightly or wrongly, if aeromodelling is banned, will you fly?

Got to take it up with the DGCA, man. No point just cribbing. We need to organise.

That's why i emailed DGCA. If there is no reply, at least we can say we asked, and in the absence of a reply, we presume it is legal to fly RC!
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« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2014, 12:16:25 AM »
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This is exactly What I was saying in the Drones thread. Quote " I am saying first AD and AF civil aviation need to upgrade their capability to track these insignificant objects in sky in their Radar before even thinking of managing them let alone controlling them. Before that capability to track with AD, AF and civil aviation all the talk of clearances and bureaucracy are logically only leading towards total BAN. That's the reason I have compared birds to FPV flying apart from equivalent wingspans. When system don't have the capability to BAN the live birds They think about banning RC guys."  Where there are Trillion natural flying living objects already exist in sky which you cannot track or legislate, can do nothing about it and you are flying among them with no choice. but you want to legislate few RC flying guys. I would say this is nothing more than bureaucracy from someone who wants to hold on to the turf dearly.

With all the means of tracking available with Aviation Authorities like DGCA they can't even manage whats already existing in skies which is very much in their radar. They themselves are the biggest risk to the safety of the passengers.  we have had cases of commercial airlines going missing altogether in-spite of fact that its being tracked by three different means, mid air collision of commercial airlines. We had cases of Commercial airlines used as missiles. Commercial airlines shot down by un-established claimed extremism. Enough life is lost because of poor capability of aviation authorities which needs to pull up its act in its domain first.

We will have million more UAS of few big players which will take to sky in near future. But we will continue to facilitate the few by this continued bureaucracy. Toughest bureaucratic Game play of the Century for hold of the most promising & upcoming technology and to hold on to the turf dearly and eliminate all competitions by the few big players.  For all the rubbish which is being trolled in the name of security for the past two years and media hype we have yet to come across a single case of an accident caused by an UAS of any country, govt or hobbyist in any airspace of any country.

In the US where the genesis of this entire Drama came about from FAA, the AMA of US and model aviation community as a whole stands united against the notices and are fighting against it. Here in India the major governing member body of model aviation AMAI should stand united at this crucial juncture. This is the time we all need to be united and address this as a responsible community .
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« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2014, 12:25:13 AM »
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I am just quoting my dear friends Parambir Singh's exact words here and his sentiments.

Quote " Sleepy Sleepy Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnn.... Shit. What is this? Gentlemen, united we stand and divided we fall. DGCA seems to aim at creating in-fighting amongst us and they seem to have succeeded to some extent. Like all such orders right from lane driving, helmet blah blah this too will mature eventually. Till such time it is our responsibility to ensure safety and "longevity" of the hobby by playing it safe and please don't go bump into any passenger airline in the mean time!!!"

So gentlemen fly safe and away from civilization and habitation don't go bumping into anybody for that matter. I am more worried about damage to my model in the process Grin
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« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2014, 01:10:37 AM »
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I am just quoting my dear friends Parambir Singh's exact words here and his sentiments.

"So gentlemen fly safe and away from civilization and habitation don't go bumping into anybody for that matter."

And make friends with cops who turn up to watch! That's what we do. (Give them some dual if you can)
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I'am going to fly tomorrow anyway , if someone shows up (which i highly doubt) the good old '100 ka note' will do the trick
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« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2014, 08:04:09 AM »
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could u confirm this  . and any updates other forum members have??


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pizza joker did it all. and all those aerial fimlming jokers who bought phantoms and started flying out of the box. they have no knowledge of basic aeromodelling or security measures that are necessary.
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Rightly said sujith...
Phantom guys made this situation..
Flying all over without any basic knowledge...
Coz of that I strucked with my new octo build.. Grin
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The field that i fly from is 10 meters from my home
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hi,

as per the notice it looks like only uav operators are to stop from flying.( model aircrafts using high end electronics/gps and autopilot ) which i think very few agencies doing this.

we are small rc community and all use low watt radios having range of 1km. we fly our models within visual range and also away from human habitats and airports.  if we continue to follow our own safety regulations and make sure models do not fall in wrong hands when out of control. there will be no issues.

request all fpv users to keep models low and close not fly out of LOS. very important. here in pune we have private helicopters flying at low height and over entire city all day.

i am sure every senior modelers is taking every step and safety measure when flying, its only the newcomers who do not have the knwledge and need to fly under guidance.

guys one wrong move now and it will be a very bad for this hobby and to get it back will almost take us another generation. so pray that all sensible flyers and new comers take this seriously and ensure that no untoward accident happen.

I am only worried about the so many photgraphers who have got phantoms and flying in public places to make money.

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