Title: problem on payload fraction Post by: yash12 on March 11, 2017, 09:05:02 PM Do a market survey for all the Electronics required for a RC Plane With Empty Structural Weight of 120g (without Electronics) and The Payload Fraction to be 0.75 with Gyroscopic Assist. Use a Suitable Thrust is to Weight Ratio.
i need to get inside of this problem and know all the calculations needed to solve this Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: topalle on March 11, 2017, 09:13:12 PM Payload Fraction is the payload weight/ Total weight of plane.
For 0.75 payload fraction, with a 120 gram airframe (Assume 250 grams electronics weight) you will have to lift 1110 grams of payload. I Guess you had come to Manovegam competition today xD 0.75 payload fraction is not very easy to achieve. Considering the small size of the payload compartment, i would suggest reducing the aircraft size, or reducing your payload fraction predicted value. Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: yash12 on March 11, 2017, 10:03:12 PM thank you very much sir,,, how to select brushless motor and esc for this design,,, and how to add gyroscopic assist??
Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: topalle on March 11, 2017, 10:24:50 PM I'm not any sir :P.
I am just another participant like you. Motor and ESC Selection is not a short procedure to explain. you have to consider the wing loading, then stall speed, then weight of the plane, Battery available. Using all that, you can narrow down to a few choices. I have no experience in gyroscopic assist. and honestly, its not required. Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: yash12 on March 11, 2017, 10:36:47 PM :) okay ... and what should my suitable thrust to weight ratio? also can u guide me how to generate enough thrust to fly this plane?
thank you Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: topalle on March 11, 2017, 10:42:14 PM 0.8 should be fine, as long as your wing area is enough.
Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: yash12 on March 11, 2017, 11:23:44 PM can u tell me where to refer for motor,propellor, esc selection to get ideas?
Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: Karthick Ashwath on March 13, 2017, 06:13:44 PM Maybe hobbyking? It gives a wide scope.
Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: yash12 on March 13, 2017, 07:12:35 PM my total weight of rc plane is 1480 grams,,, what should be my wing loading???
Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: yash12 on March 14, 2017, 11:47:02 AM i dont know how to get suitable wing area when i only know the weight of aircraft,, in my case weight of aircraft =1480 grams... so how to calculate wing area when only weight of aircraft is known??
Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: Karthick Ashwath on March 15, 2017, 08:47:00 PM Go for 16oz/sq.ft. wing loading. Using this your wing area should be:
3.25sq.ft.But only if you are a beginner. If you are an advanced flyer, you could go for 18-20 oz/sq.ft Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: rcrcnitesh on March 15, 2017, 09:39:36 PM I read an article on flitetest sometime back where someone made a really huge rc plane in under 300gms. I am not able to send the link since I am on a very slow connection right now. I will post it asap. That design can help you achieve a really low wing loading.
Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: Karthick Ashwath on March 15, 2017, 10:52:31 PM Please share the link nitesh!
Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: rcrcnitesh on March 16, 2017, 11:10:30 AM Ugghhhhhh I am not able to find the article right now.
BTW Karthick how is your solar plane project going on? Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: Karthick Ashwath on March 16, 2017, 07:16:27 PM Please check my thread some new updates are there
Title: Re: problem on payload fraction Post by: K K Iyer on March 17, 2017, 07:43:26 PM Do a market survey for all the Electronics required for a RC Plane With Empty Structural Weight of 120g (without Electronics) and The Payload Fraction to be 0.75 with Gyroscopic Assist. Use a Suitable Thrust is to Weight Ratio. i need to get inside of this problem and know all the calculations needed to solve this I once read a comment by a coach of American SAE Aero teams. He said "Most of the models had never been flown before" And that was the biggest reason for failure. I don't know your flying or building experience. If you are an experienced builder/flyer please excuse me for my suggestions that are intended for beginners. 1. Learn to fly RC first, before tackling payload problems 2. Build a proven design, and see how much extra payload it can lift safely You may find that a 0.75 payload factor, which means payload 3 times the weight of the ready to fly airplane is almost impossible So my suggestion is to buy/borrow something like a Skysurfer, learn to fly it reliably, then add ballast. Will give you an idea of just how much payload a reliable model can carry. If you already have a model that you are flying regularly, just add payload! Best wishes. |