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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2010, 04:42:55 PM »
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ok guys, here is the web site, http://amai.in  but have patience, it is the construction  stage, and every week it is being upgraded and updated.
Can some help, i am unable to upload a pic of mine onto rcindia so it appears in my profile and below my username.
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Thanks for the website !  I also hope you discuss giving a more nationwide face to the organization, in terms of not only members, but also in terms of the committee that manages the association Smiley  I am sure people will have apprehensions about it being just a Delhi based thing.  Opening regional chapters seems like a good option.


Can some help, i am unable to upload a pic of mine onto rcindia so it appears in my profile and below my username.
Please use this link, and choose the "I will upload my own pic" option.

http://www.rcindia.org/profile/?u=853;sa=forumProfile

You may need to resize the image manually before upload, in case you get errors.
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Here is a link to the membership information :  http://amai.in/Membership%20Form.htm
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2010, 08:28:39 PM »
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Ramesh, when are you uploading the images you have on Facebook of the opening ? I thought those were coming too.

Well done buddy. This is a big leap for Rc flyers in India.

I heard police were hastling park flying guys with threats to confiscate radio sets unless their palms were oiled.
We have BMFA here which provudes us 3rd party insurance provided all the rules are followed.

SEE HERE FOR POLICY DETAILS: http://www.bmfa.org/about/insurance.html     

The BMFA is the National Governing Body for the sport of model flying. Its aims are to promote, protect, organise and encourage model flying within the UK. Typically there are around 780 affiliated clubs and a combined membership of over 36,000 members, all of whom have entered a partnership to ensure that model fliers have a voice and their rights are recognised by the authorities.

Read a more detailed explanation of what the BMFA does here...
http://www.bmfa.org/about/whatwedo.html   

The mandate for the BMFA to do this comes from the Royal Aero Club, dating back to 1922, the Civil Aviation Authority and Sport UK.
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here is the forum again, an anyone can access it. amaforum@googlegroups.com

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The membership page says..
"At present a nominal membership fee of Rs. 2000/- is charged for initial membership"

What is initial membership? Also is it annual or lifetime? What was the rationale behind the 2000/- figure mark?

Also would like to know, if possible, what does the association do with the fee collected ?

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suggest u get onto the AMA forum - amaforum@googlegroups.com
all ur guestion will be answered.
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Dear Ramesh Talhan,
Suggest that you post some public links here. Personally i do not join a group unless I am convinced in advance (pretty old fashioned in my ways).

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Pankaj,
for next 15 days, the forum has opened up certain data that is not normally available to non members. In any case, after u read everything on the forum or web site , u can unsubscribe any time. like this i wil be siting whole day just cut and pasting every thing bit by bit. U have the option to unscribe and only u can do it, so where is the problem, come on man, live in the age we r in, i have just retired from the air force, i dont find anything wrong with forms anywhere in the world, u take what ever information u want and throw out what ever u dont want, it is so simple. here is the web site - http://www.amai.in/ so start doing some reading man. cant spoon feed u now. No one in past 70 years has been able to achieve what ama has achieved. So if u dont want to be a member, ur choice baby. And let me assure u, times r only going to get tougher for rc flyiers.
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Pankaj,
 No one in past 70 years has been able to achieve what ama has achieved. So if u dont want to be a member, ur choice baby. And let me assure u, times r only going to get tougher for rc flyiers.

Ramesh Tahlan.

Ramesh ,

Well said   Salute Salute Thumbs Up

Just a thought can this recognition be used as a precedence  and other clubs approach ACI for  a similar recognition OR can we become members of AMA  even if we are based in Chennai .
Can  you help if Educational institutions aero club's need  a similar recognition .
In fact I think if  all of us can come under  a single umbrella rather than re invent the wheel for each town and city .

I am ready to  join right away if persons outside Delhi can be members

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No one in past 70 years has been able to achieve what ama has achieved. So if u dont want to be a member, ur choice baby.

With all due respect for your seniority and what you have accomplished, I think this is OTT and unwarranted.
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Just a thought can this recognition be used as a precedence  and other clubs approach ACI for  a similar recognition.
Sai

Mr.Ramesh already mentioned that ACI does not seem to want to deal with multiple clubs. It would be interesting to know how flexible they are with this, but that would seem to be a question of ACI itself.
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Mr.Ramesh already mentioned that ACI does not seem to want to deal with multiple clubs. It would be interesting to know how flexible they are with this, but that would seem to be a question of ACI itself.

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The home page of ACI states:

"ACI is the apex body of all...aerosports organisations in India which are engaged in ....aeromodelling..."

No question of ACI not considering local clubs as affiliates/associate members, I would think.

The bureaucratic part could well be another story, though!

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I wish it worked that way Smiley

Apparently, you have to consider things like : http://www.rcindia.org/rc-general-topics/rc-membership-cards/msg18106/#msg18106

This is a starting point... and after the dust settles, who knows there would be regional clubs which have the same "accreditation".  As long as peoples egos don't come into play and/or we have 50 associations in India with 15 members each ! It makes every bit of sense to have ONE with 1000. 

But I am well aware of the fact that egos do come into play, sooner or later Sad Mahatma Gandhi died over 60 years ago... if you know what I mean.
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I would think an easier and faster  way which could make ACI happy as well is to have regional chapters of AMA like a tree under it  so that the regional chapter automatically is also recognized.
Ego's  need to be put aside from a practical point of view  the hobby is anyway individualistic  so if you get some  form of  official recognition that helps you go about your flying  it is good enough
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 U said in man. that is the way to go. even i could not have put it better.
Thanks pal
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Thanks Ramesh ,
As per me it just does  not  make sense to go about approaching the govt for each club you guys  got one  so why not  expand the tree  downwards  so that you just don't have to keep reinventing the wheel and  going thru the grind of  turning each gear in the govt machinery every time .

I am ready to  start  looking at putting together a Chennai Chapter if your are ready  and  guide me on the requirements  .

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Good idea, Sai. But where would the ARMI  (Chennai) then fit in?
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Starting point  ( rename to Chennai chapter ) Head Scratching  I am sure many might not  be averse to the idea if they get  official recognition without  doing anything except becoming a member of AMA .

ARMI : Have not heard from the officials for long so will check their status if AMA's  ready .
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if Bangalore, Pune, Mumbai etc also went with AMAI, and the AMAI membership card would allow access to fields like Jakkur, Hadapsar, Mahalakshmi et al.
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The home page of ACI states:
"ACI is the apex body of all...aerosports organisations in India which are engaged in ....aeromodelling..."
No question of ACI not considering local clubs as affiliates/associate members, I would think.
The bureaucratic part could well be another story, though!

This is the whole point. only if organizations like AMAI get authorized to 'Affiliate' other clubs in the country on behalf of ACI/Govt of India, just like WPC approves individuals and HAM clubs (Red-tapism there is a different story, ask person like me), they would solve a long lasting problem of legitimity of this hobby.

But then AMAI has to raise above just 'N-Delhi' charter to make it a success. If they are thinking laterally on the terms of AMA of US, then it does make sens to individual R/C flyers in other city like us. If the membership bestows the following legal entitlement  to flyer, then I see this at the biggest bliss to R/C flyers in the country till date:

1. Some kind of Photo ID card, stating one is a legitimate R/C flyers. something like Driving licence. (Highest priority)
2. The above ID furnishing saves one from Police manhandling
3. Entitlement to fly EP foamies in public park, not near sensitive areas, with proper precaution taken (Low Priority).  
4. Ease of importing R/C gear like hard to get Engine/Electronics/ARF-RTF kits.
5. Ease of carrying R/C gear on Airlines/Road etc.

If it is not making R/C flying 'Govt Authorized' to at least some extent, then I don't see a point to be part of it except on technical discussion front.
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Suggest that you post some public links here. Personally i do not join a group unless I am convinced in advance (pretty old fashioned in my ways).

I am not sure that is helpful. No one is compelled to do anything, including providing/reproducing information voluntarily.  It is up to the individual to seek it, using available information/guidance.

What is initial membership? Also is it annual or lifetime? What was the rationale behind the 2000/- figure mark?

Also would like to know, if possible, what does the association do with the fee collected ?

I did find the following information on the amaforum list.  I am posting this for the benefit of everyone including AMAI (probably this should be on the website), but if this information is privileged, I will be most glad to remove it.

1.How do I become a member of AMA?
Download and  Fill the form of AMA available at http://www.amai.in,  Attach one photo,sign it ,attach one spare photo for the ID card and give personally or courier to the secretary Mr.Ashok Shukla at address given at the website.

2.What are the membership fees and annual subscription?.
The membership fee is Rs.2000.0 and the annual subscription is Rs.1000.0 

3.Who can become a member?
Any aeromodeler in India can become a member.

4.Who maintains the flying field?
The flying field is maintained by the users of the field,i.e.members who fly at Mundka share the cost of developing and maintaining the field,likewise those flying at Noida and Bhondsi share the cost at these flying fields,this is also valid for members at other cities  and towns.Even at these location common interest goups like ,heli flyers ground vehicles,operators can develop a patch meeting their need with consent of the other users.Let us respect the right of every field user to have his share of enjoyment in cooperation with other users.   

5.What is the advantage of joining AMA?
AMA with the support of Aero Club Of India ,will strive to resolve the current issues facing modelers every where.
Recognition by administrative bodies and acceptance by authorities in local Police,Security,Communication frequency issue,customs issues etc.
All these issues involve a large no. of different govt. bodies who have to be apprised of our activity as an aero-sport and be given due recognition.
This is not going to happen overnight ,so please bear with the association and provide support and guidance as and when required.

6.What are funds of the association used for?
The Association plans to use the funds for the following purpose benefitting all modelers:
a.For getting the ID cards made.
b.For printing necessary stationary-letter heads,reciept books,registers ,files etc.and administrative costs associated.
c.For paying the Auditor for annual audits of account.
d.For organising Competitions .
e.For prize money.
f.Other expenses as accepted by members in General body meeting.

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Ujjwaana,
U r trying to reach the moon in first go man. Slow down buddy. It took 70 years to get this one part, spend ur life time to take the next step and my be ur grand children will get Govt authorisation. Dude, this is a hobby, which we r trying to protec, not sell to Govt of India.
So take one small step. Cause in any case till now every one was on their own and we can carry on like this. not a problem. But we intend to keep walking, if other clubs dont want to walk with us, no issue dude.
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if Bangalore, Pune, Mumbai etc also went with AMAI, and the AMAI membership card would allow access to fields like Jakkur, Hadapsar, Mahalakshmi et al.
Piped dream! just to fly in Jakkur, we need earnest effort from people like Aadarsh. If people like him doesn't put their personal effort to get through new flyer in, the authorities wont even buzz and accept such activity is undertaken on the airstrip.

I think AMAI should be like 'Passport' - recognition by the Central Indian Authorities. Where you fly - a local Club or empty field is on your own discretion. Local club membership may not help if you are apprehended on the road ferrying your planes to the Flying field, or when having a casual foamie flying in local park. AMAI Card should also target such situations.
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Dear Anwar,
Thanks for listing out the details. It is indeed helpful.

Dear Ramesh,
What I needed as of now has been answered in the post from Anwar. I had expected something similar and certainly did not expect the kind of response that you have posted. Chief, you might be doing a whole lot of good for the entire community, but as of now, your site is not comprehensive - I had visited the amai.in website before posting the query.
Like I have said, I would have liked all the information in the website without joining a online group - however, when I read my entry, I think it can easily have been mistaken to understand that I did not wish to become a member of amai.

That said, I wish we can continue to keep the tone of communication at a more respectable level

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