I happened to order a skyartec Cessna 182 recently which was told to me by Mr. Jack from Jack hobbies hyderabad is available in stock so deposited the money in their HDFC account but today when i enquired got to know that its not in stock and neither the money has been deposited in their account though provided him with a account statement still waiting for the refund to happen.As I am a beginner I happened to go with a advice of other forum member....What has been the experiences of the other forum members from purchases from JACKS HOBBIES HYDERABAD ?

check here ... there is feedback for jack

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/lhs-issue/25/

Read this also
http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/mig-29-twin-ducted-fan-4-ch-72mhz/

Who gave you this advice, i dont remember any thread about this

If he is such a big rip off and other forum members have also had similar experiences why isn't he black listed whats his name still doing in Rc list of outlets and resellars.I guess it's me today may be it can be another beginner tomorrow

Some people might have had good business with them I guess Instead checking for a black list you should have looked for "best hobby shop"
http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/best-hobby-shop/

If I were Mr Jack, I would have paid someone to give a positive review for myself on this this forum.
Well any one here who had a good or even fair deal with them ? Or they only deal rogue ?
With so many LHS coming up, I would prefer to Blacklist them, considering their unrelenting attitude.

I would like to add my experience during a personal visit to the store. I was in Hyderabad for a day trip and had a short time to spare before leaving for the airport. I asked my host if we could visit them. I found him to be a pure trader without much knowledge and fairly arrogant. I asked him if he had the Subaru in stock. He said he had one that was built and flown but the customer did not like it. He wanted the full price for it!

The guy has loads of attitude and that has shown up in people's comments. Add to this is the fact that his prices are not particularly reasonable.

They would soon be left only to rip off new comers. So please , if one happens to interest other with R/C, please hand hold him/her with proper guidance, and introduce to Forum like this! Else they will fall prey to such Con-shop with Bells and whistle . Yes! Their site is aptly inviting with delicious model, just like a carnivorous plant! I almost paid them for a BobCat. Thanks to VC for putting a post in time.

Not "soon be left" but already!

As they say, there's a sucker born every minute. Someone I know had a bad experience also. When I asked what made him go there, his answer was that this was the first site that showed up on Google!

mostly newbies go by the look of the website

If blacklisting is not an option then atleast we can put up a sticky topic in Beginners section which can make things obvious for newbies and help them to identify people/shops to stay away from.

Regards

I'v heard about the same from many other sources, and especially about the overpriced shipping, thankfully, din took  the risk

Why not black-listed ?  Not everyone has bad experiences.  I personally know people who have dealt with this store, and except for not great prices, everything else was fine. Prices don't matter, when items are small, and the buyer is in desperate need of the same.

Wondering if we should create a "Beware of these sellers" child board under "RC Outlets and Resellers" ? 

I really do not want to be the gatekeeper to this information. With such a child board, people can post their experiences there.  We will highlight this board in the "Mega list of RC Stores", so that everyone would see it before proceeding down the list. 

It is an open forum, and the store owners are welcome to post rebuttals.

PPS: Do we need one under "For Sale" also to handle rouge classifieds ?

having said what we have to , some items(Very few i guess) aren't highly priced , trainer chord (Though sold out), spare futaba chord for sim, some such items, some items are available only with him and sometimes you don't mind paying more as you are desperately in need of it.
Air Force authorities have banned and local NCC stays clear, thought you all should know

PS
Soon he will realise and hopefully change, if he does, i think then he can be counted as a LHS

Is Jack on RCI...? If yes, he should clarify, or loose his business.

We could also put up a caution beside the store name in the mega list of outlets just as we have done for Mpowershopping.

I think we should make that move.Something like "scammer alert".

i am not fielding for anyone here, Mpowershopping (Ghanesh alias Rajender) off late has shown promising improvement, after all he is a young boy, he will growup and will grow to be responsible person, that is natural progression of life. he got a Yak 54 50 cc for his birthday last month, what does it mean ?. means he is in love with the hobby, any LHS who love the hobby will overtime improve, IMHO

MPowerShopping was really bad. That was not the feedback about Jacks (at least not as bad). Probably things have changed.

MPowerShopping did contact me in private sometime back to inform that he had hired to full time staff to man the phones etc, and he was looking to improve.  But some parts of the communication sounded like the old self.

I think creating a child board is probably the simplest solution... say what ?

Just want to know something. Is the feedback system in our forum only meant for the trade done through this forum, i.e only if someone is selling something here can we put a feedback. Because in my opinion a feedback system is also good.

And my only concern for making a child board is that people might overlook them. Like if I am searching for a store in city X on google and i see it in rcindia, I note the address, website, etc and then close it overlooking that. This is why I thought putting a caution beside the name is a reasonable idea.

with you bhai

As Chintu had said earlier, "when i enquired got to know that its not in stock and neither the money has been deposited in their account ", the same happened to someone else  when he tried to buy an Eurofighter from him.

This Mr. Jack 'neglects' to mention his middle name at times while disclosing his bank details. As a result of this, his account holder name does not match with the details provided by the buyer as he tries to remit the money. The bank does not transfer the money into the sellers account due to this discrepancy. When the buyer finds out the truth, Mr. Jack gives him a mouthful for funds not being transferred in time.

Great person to deal with!

Well all I wanted is a refund for my money  now which he is not ready to give despite me sending him the bank statement and his account number clearly mentioned in it

Have you contacted your bank about this? They can tell you if the transfer is completed or not.

Made a note on the mega list.

There is an inactive member here named "Jack", who listed his website as the same LHS.  You want to try sending this thread to him via PM ?  Hopefully exposure to the negative publicity may help   I have seen it happen in other cases !

Anwar Bhai,
Now this is a straight case of farudism, fit for police case. If we can't put Jackhobbies in a Black List, let the forum not mention them in our Reseller list, unless my Jack (of all bad trade) comes back. He he doesn't care to reply back, I dont see a reason this Forum should give them a Free publicity. Its serious matter of financial fraud (or inappropriate good in return, equally bad) and the forum should disassociate with them.

It is fair to say that putting one in black list only on few case bad review is inappropriate, but the complete indifference to people and repeated offense of similar fashion is not anything we can have a tolerance of. All the good LHS like Sai, Sanjeev, VK Singh, Praveen have always replied to occasional complaint.

But I think its time to outcast Mr Jack for what he shamelessly continue to do. And mind it, he doesn't not only had bad review from (at times immature) newcomers, but grownup seniors like VC, Gusty etc.

I dont see a reason he should be treated at Par with MpowerShopping.

Being young, ignorant, lenient , indifferent couldn't be an excuse for financial irregularities.
   

Thanks all the forum members for ur support  I'll contact  mr . Vinod Tommorow again and ask him for the refund

I am sorry for repeating my self, but this is important to come to a conclusion. If you used NEFT then you should call your bank about the transfer, a failed transaction can take up to three days to turn around.

Ps: you have not mention when you made the transfer, hence the question.

I also had a bad experience dealing with Jack hobbies.

Jitender

I too agree.

But it is extremely important that the OP mention when the transfer was made.  Otherwise we could all be barking up the wrong tree (at least in this case).

The transfer was made on 3rd of may through icici bank by rtgs / neft and yes I verified from the bank regarding the transfer made correctly 

I would strongly suggest that you wait till May 7th before pursuing this.

Not even Jack would take someone's money like that for free !  Give it couple of days to show up in the recipients account for sure.

To the best of my knowledge one's middle name is not required. However the bank's name, branch, code and account number of the transferee  must be correct for smooth transfer under NEFT.

My two transfers one 8k  and one 3.5 k to VK didn't show up with the recipient, more than 25 days now, my pass book is also updated , through NEFT, VK says it goes into something called a suspense account, it is the person who deposits, his responsibility to track it AFAIK. It is not jack's, in my case i have given an application to the bank and let us see what happens.

I've worked on a similar system but only for ATM transactions and AFAIK if such transaction do not resolve in three days then it means that settlement was not received for that transaction and it is moved out of reconciliation queue. So we can take max two days which the transaction took to go kaput and then three days in the queue, thats five days. So if not resolved in five days then its never gonna get resolved on its own and manual intervention is required. The bank can resolve this easily but one will have to inform that bank about it.

I will say this again... it is highly probable that Jack has not received the money YET.  Can't imagine day-light robbery like this, in this day and age, plus inviting police case etc etc.  Selling items for higher margins, or bluffing about stock in hand etc are all one thing, but taking someone's money and giving nothing back in return is whole another level. 

Please ensure your information is perfect, before pursuing this vigorously.

Hear Hear !!

I back Anwar bhai on this ,,I too think you should get the possibilities inline before taking it up harshly

hi,

request all members to do pay by cheque only. take a xerox copy of the cheque before you deposit. that way you have proof and keep the receipt of the chque deposit slip untill the transaction is over.

not to worry when you do it this way. paypal is also safe.

regds

NEFT is a quick and easy way to transfer money..If u give the correct IFSC number and FULL account number,it'll reach..Exact name is not necessary..Suppose the account number is wrong means, it'll be lying in tat destination bank's NEFT suspense and they will credit to the concern account by verifying the details that report..Sometimes it may be returned to the sender's account..

For all FAQ's on NEFT   http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/FAQView.aspx?Id=60


Sanjay

Jack - You were attempting to say something ?

And what happened to this issue ? 

It seems he is following RC India forum without being a member for a long time ??

Member for a long time, but not active (posting).

I was contacted on my mobile by chintu on 3-5-11 regarding the transfer,We informed him and also sent him our bank statement by mail that we had not received the transfer as yet,And also informed him politely that the said model was sold at our store the same day i.e 3rd may by which time the amount was not yet transferred to our a/c . Also informed him that if the amount he had transferred showed up the next day or later we would promptly send him the refund and told him not to worry,The transfer was reflected in our a/c on 5th May and we promptly couriered the same as promised.(Gati Doc No: 801090255 track on www.gati.com)But Mr Chintu could not hold his guns and had to write the review on 4th may after being promised that he would receive the full refund in Due course.

Hello Anwar,
iam not very computer savvy,i really am not good with my words or computing. i have thought of defending myself many a times but just unable to actually do it.
Anyways, Life in this RC business is not as rosy at it seems to many,But we are still into it because this Hobby is very dear to my Heart !!!!!!!

If i was following RC India For a long Time i would have defended myself Earlier

After Apologizing  to Mr Chintu that When We sold the particular Model We had yet to receive his transfer in our a/c, Hence asked him if he would like to choose any other model he could do it OR ELSE WE WILL REFUND HIM THE FULL AMOUNT Could not be more civil than that,And after all that conversation i receive This mail:
Dear Mr.Vinod,
                      I am sending you the Bank Statement again and would also like to tell you that it was a Interne transfer (RTGS ) which takes place immediately and have also enquired from my bank regarding the same will be forwarding you the sms in the morning regarding the transfer of the fund from ICICI Bank all I want is that you enquire from your bank regarding such transfer and refund my money and settle the matter .Incase you fail to do so I'll report this matter to every RC forum in India and also mention about this to Mr.Ramesh Tehlan Chairman of Aeromodellars Association of India
 
Regards,
Aditya Vij

My Email To Aditya(Chintu)
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:23 PM, jackshobbies.in jack <jacksshoppingcentre@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Sending you the a/c statement from 29-04-2011 To 03-05-2011
    We have yet to receive your transfer

    Regard's/Jack

Mail to Aditya (CHINTU)
We are yet to receive the transfer into our a/c as on 03-05-2011,If it is by Cheque it may take some time,Also regret to inform you that the item ordered by yourself is sold and you can expect a full refund if you choose not to order another model

Regard's/Jack

Hey All U guys who are Gunning for Jack,Please Clarify if what i have posted Earlier is True or Not !!!!!!!
Cheers have fun !!!!!

Thanks Ujjwaana
Being young, ignorant, lenient , indifferent couldn't be an excuse for financial irregularities.
I ant YOUNG (49yrs) Rest u can assume abt me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you got the payment of 5th May and shipped promptly on 5th day after payment i.e. (9th)

Docket N0   Reference   Destination   Pickup Date                   Status
801090255   1           Kanpur   09-MAY-2011   In Transit

i guess prompt is like same day or next 1-2 days if lot of assembly is needed.

We have pick-up facility for our shipping from Gati 3 Times in a week.
I hope that explains the delay,also The Point i was trying to Clarify in this forum was our intentions of refunding the amount before we even received the transfer.
OUR INTENTIONS & INTEGRITY ARE NOT TIME BASED !!!!!!!!!
IT IS INBORN

To the owner of Jacks -  Please do realize that the RC scene in India has changed over the past 2 or 3 years, and people have a lot more choice.  They also have a lot of visibility into both Indian and external prices, and that does not imply that you became a multi-billionaire running an RC business in India.  There is other feedback here, as shown here :

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/lhs-issue/msg16419/#msg16419
http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/jack's-hobbies/
http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/mig-29-twin-ducted-fan-4-ch-72mhz/
http://www.rcindia.org/chatter-zone/interesting-prices-!/msg26749/#msg26749
http://www.rcindia.org/rc-general-topics/importing-a-p-51-mustang-mk-ii-pts-rtf-from-amainhobbies-com/msg18231/#msg18231

It would be in YOUR best interest to reduce such "no-stock-up-sell" incidents, as they do come back and affect your future prospects (as is mentioned here : http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/lhs-issue/msg16428/#msg16428 ).

Whether you run the store for the love of RC or for making a living, people expect certain things.  And in this day and age of everything being online, it is not difficult for negatives to stand out (bad news seems to spread much faster). 

While you do not have to respond to anything here or anywhere else, I hope you do realize that such feedback does erode the sand under one's feet

(Gati Doc No: 801090255 track on www.gati.com)

       Well Mr.Vinod gangaram satwani ( that what his real name is and not jack ) is furious just because i raised a voice against him and now remembers to clarify himself after a week despite calling him a number of times for a refund and listening to all his abuses........even if he received the payment on 4th May and having couriered  the cheque on 5th May which he tells he did  i havent yet received it and please check on which date the courier was send.

Hi people and hobbyists,

I suggest and I don't recommend to buy anything from Jack Hobbies, Hyderabad, AP. The prices are too much and no quality components. I'm saying this as I experienced. Better find some deals online.


All the best.

Merged into existing thread.

And welcome to RC India... even though it seems you joined just to get even with one store ?  

Would you mind explaining what exactly went wrong in YOUR experience, rather than making general statements about high prices (which happens with many stores, for various reasons some of which are even valid) ?

Ya Anwar bhai, when you were shifting this thread, I was just writing a reply for above poster to elaborate his experience, with out being so generic.

Err can I just pitch in?
I have ordered a couple of items form Jacks Hobbies.. It was a 2200 MaH 2s LiPo and an 18A ESC for my car..
All products were delivered on time.. No problems on my time..

Maybe I am 1 of the lucky few

Some people REALLY live up to your expectations. I hope all will note the tone / attitude of the seller concerned in the posts that he has made. All these days there have been a lot of discussions about this person and his behaviour. I would like to thank him for proving the population right.

I didnt like the policy of charging for the NEFT bank transfer, so I never dealt with Jacks after my first purchase. Moreover they dont have any decent stuff for cars. All chinese clones and cheap items.

Mr. Jack was last active on May 12th and didn't respond to Anwar Sir's Reply#57. One more feedback....
http://www.consumercomplaints.in/complaints/jack-hobbies-c578817.html

Being a Hyderabadi, i had buyed some stuff from Jackshobbies, its true he is a trader with loads of attitude
and their site sells rc products at relatively higher prices,

I came to know his name as Mr. Vinod Gangaram Satvani

Well, the expansion of 'G' is new to me....!

Yes!! Mr Vinod, you are indeed pretty old player in misleading people of the country (or at least Hyderabad) to claim that you are the ONLY place to buy RC Car/Plane/Helis in the Country!!! My Foot..... I bet hardly 5% of most senior people of the Indian RC scene (90% of them are not even part of this forum) would have bought even a bolt from you, and you pose your self as  the ONLY!! Hell Ya!! Why most of time you act like "Mumbai Thug" and send dubious items to people across the country? If you were in the West, you would have been long shut down! Thank to the lame  prosecution of the country. A guy riding Big bikes should do these kind of petty fraud...

I was just about to place order for "New Super Detailed 4 CH BlitzRCWorks 2.4GHz Silver Ryan STA Radio Remote Control Electric RC Airplan" on jackshobbies.in

But READING THIS IM SCARED. Thankx i think u saved me... or NOT !

Also, this also made me suspicious on them.. I called today to 9885056254 that is Mr Jack.

I told him I wana buy that plane. He said "Yes you can buy we are safe. But only thing is you cannot pay us via paypal. You send us money on our HDFC bank from ur bank transefer."

That made me worried and i searched google and ended in this topic.

Anyone.. solutions ? I really need this plane.. it will be my 1st RC plane > New Super Detailed 4 CH BlitzRCWorks 2.4GHz Silver Ryan STA Radio Remote Control Electric RC Airplan

ajinkya, EDF is not a beginner's aeroplane

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YES, Im going to buy from rcbazaar.com
their prices are better than HobbyKing

Hi guys



kindly read the entire post




How are you guys doin

last week end i went to Airport to drop my friend and after his check in i found RC cars racing at the airport(photo attached) and i fell in love with it at the first look

so i checked online and got to this website

I am a HYDERABADI

i just joined the group and in search box i typed HYDERABAD and i found out this thread

and to my dis belief i saw that jacks has got a very bad reputation in this forum
 
i really felt bad that every one is cornering jack to one corner

when purchasing GUNDAM (google it) models from abroad it usually took not less than 1 Month

check out www.hlj.com and also a huge amount of customs, taxes and also middle man Mamool


when purchasing an item its the wish of the seller to put a price tag so i dont thing price is not a concern

talking about Attitude -------hell with it we also have huge attitude

by the way i went to jacks to buy some models and tools and he was good to me

all i am sayin is dont judge a book by its cover

this hobby is ment for all of us to get out of our daily life to have some fun......to be that small kid once again





 

I hope it is obvious to you that no one here made a grand plan to put Jacks in a bad light.  They just reported what they experienced, just like you did.  And when the number of negative feedbacks cross a certain threshold, people do make some informed decisions.  Can't blame them for that.

Please do contrast the feedback for Jacks against feedback for other stores like RCDhamaka, RCBazaad, RCForAll, RCElectro, RCHobbyAddict etc, and you will easily see why this shop earned this feedback.

There is a poll also here : http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/best-hobby-shop/  and at least 7 people said Jacks is fine !

And FYI, there seems to be a new store in Hyderabad :

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/new-rc-outlet-in-india/

Hi anwar what you said is correct

if you balance the positive responses and negative responses i can say there are many negative responses

after this even i am scared to go to jacks (thinking may be i will face some bad experience)

any way glad i joined this group

happy RCing

I have seen a plane in jacks hobbies cessna 182 they are giving a great discount but now i am scared should i buy it or not
Pls help

thank you,guys i was thinking of buying my plane from jackhobbies as they had good offers but after reading this i won't even think of it.

Has anyone gone to Jack's hobbies and seen their GEMFAN props?
Are they genuine Gemfan props? They're so cheap...... or too cheap to be true?

Vineet

I have had an average experience. Some of the stuff is pretty overpriced. The staff when hes not around are clueless on what to sell.

Why is there a banner on jacks site saying no transactions please

What exactly happened to it

i see prices of some of the balsa planes and other stuff is very competitive, Probably Mr Vinod is taking note. Will be good to watch out what is unfolding at Jack's Hobbies

Sorry for the bump, but I recalled my friend saying that he had seen Jack's hobbies stall in the AeroShow held in the old airport here in March 2012. I did go but couldn't find it. Has anyone seen him there or anyother events?

Well, i agree with you.. I personally have quite a bit of experience dealing with vinod while i was in flying school at Hyderabad, as i am from Hyd as well..infact i purchased my first nitro(arising star) from him and more after that and never had a bad experience. He is a passionate flyer, used to fly at Nadergul Airfield with us. Apparently not connected after i shifted to Hosur airfield, quite shocked after seeing all these messages against him.

Talking of attitude, dont we all have it then?

aditya

                      I agree with your point Sir but as a customer would anyone like to hear abuses.Anything below the belt would not be tolerated atleast by me.Mr.Vinod did happen to return my money but I know what I had to go through for that.All this started when I was new to the hobby and was making my first RTF plane purchase.Now i have been dealing with Rcbazaar,Rcdhamaka and sphere hobbies never have I had any attitude problems with them .

 This topic was started by me just to make fellow aero modellars aware of my experience.

Well, after all its the customer's choice..Yes, we dont pay to get abused..If the negative feedback is more than positive one, something definitely seems to be wrong..