I got a baja from mannish gupta that is rc sky hobby.As he has pictures of the original hpi racing baja 5b on his web site I went to his showroom and got the car. With  normal driving the main chassie got bent as it was really a poor quality. After the 2nd run the whole clutch assembly has broken/given up.Me and my frend have got 2 cars and there is no support from him.He's putting the blame on the buyer that is  me and my frend.As said on his website tht all spare parts a interchangble with the original hpi racing baja.I kept on calling him 24*7 and refuses to answer me and my frends call.I really want every one in the rc community to stay away from this guy and not even deal with him.as I have checked with the hpi racing cluthplate which does not even fit.RAHUL SARIN
NO#9711555547

1) the pics of the car on rcskyhobby.com never show hpi written anywhere over them.
2) your car broke, its not his fault
3) i think hpi clutch does fit a KM, some spring modifications may be required, either ways u can buy a KM clutch from rcskyhobby as well.

Mr.hemank I spend my money on the car was it ur..I called up rcskyhobby to find about the part many times but the people working ther refused to pick up my no#..HEMAK don't try to give me these points keep them to ur self I don't need them.As I now my rise as I have a hpi clutch with me and if ur willing to do the modification as u said i will come to u and get the hpi racing clutch.If u fail to install the clutch then u shall give me the refund of the car as u are coming btw me and mr.Mannish.
(WITH DUE RESPECT I TELL U TO KEEP OUT OF THE MATTER)

man stay cool.dont overreact.just sayin.dont be so harsh while posting and i guess ur language is not in favour of forum.

If pictures showed original HPI, or if that was claimed during the transaction, this complaint is valid.

Otherwise it is a matter of "you get what you paid for"... isn't it ? 

Is there a website link to the product in question ?

PS: No point in shoving one's opinion down the throats of people who are just highlighting an alternate view point (without malice). That too on a public forum.

Now i know, why he isn't willing to pick your call...
learn to behave first.
And if its you car , your money, keep the matter with yourself, dont post it here, and if u do post it here, i have full right to add my words.

P.S. - The car on his website has  'hpi' written nowhere on it.
And i can swear by my words, hpi clutch doe work on a KM, you just need the tools and skills to fit it up. In-fact when i had the KM i upgraded the stock one with 8000 RPM clutch from HPI.
So please upgrade your knowledge and skills before challenging others. Visit rcuniverse.com to get a detailed illustrated thread for this modif.

No intent to harm/harass/insult you, but please keep in mind, the person whom you interact with on your computer is not always meant to be a fool (at least not me) so instead of challenging them, asking them for help would be a more appropriate action.

Upon your request, the following post is going to be my last post on this topic, but as a RC fellow, my advice to you is be calm and good with him and meet him in person, and dont keep on blaming him for everything, eventually he will come forward to help you up if u stop blaming him up fro everything. I have been buying RC stuff from him from the very first day n still love to do it, and things like this may have happened with me as well, but can be eventually sorted out on meeting him in person and having some soft spoken talks with him, infact now we are so good friends that he dosent even charge me up for repairing my cars.
Only thing i mean to say is he is not at all a bad person, its just a misunderstanding case, talk to him with a cool mind, do not blame, rather ask him what to do next. You would thank me for this.

http://www.rcskyhobby.com/products.php?prd_id=684&main_page=products

pls visit the link and show me where it says 'HPI' baja 5b.

guys i am just giving my reviews . i am dealing with rc sky hobby since last 5 years. till date i have never had any problems with  them. this is just my views .

I AM NOT REPLYING TO ANY- ONES POST . I AM JUST GIVING MY REVIEWS ON THIS OPEN FOR ALL FORUM ABOUT RC SKY HOBBY.

Mr.hemank ur words are very strong but putting them on the site is not good I've posted my no# call on that and then show me the strongness

Mr. Rahul , I totally second your topic. RC Sky Hobby has been a really bad experience for me. After buying a Baja from here, I saw that the quality was very poor. In my school , all the people hate Rc Sky Hobby and I like HPI because after selling my Km Baja in two days, I bought a HPI racing baja and I loved it.

I think now ur dealing with the wrong guy he'll take money for jst making a bent plate straight and to jst make the brake tight..!hemak

Seems like the original poster has no intention of answering the basic question that anyone who reads this thread would raise... did the store, at any point, claim that it was an HPI Baja ? 

If not, you bought a clone, and clone are worth just what you pay for.  Ask anyone who bought a Trex 450 heli clone at a much lower price, and then tried to do ANYTHING serious with it.

I have never dealt with this store, so I cannot comment about their products or service.  But it is imperative that someone who joins this forum to voice opinions about a store be very clear with the audience here about what EXACTLY happened.

Until then, from a neutral perspective, what we have seen so far is a bunch of baseless allegations.

"Until then, from a neutral perspective, what we have seen so far is a bunch of baseless allegations."
+1

Two very different takes on this topics:

(1) If the store did not claim that it was an 'original' HPI Baja, does it absolve them of using pictures of the original product on their site? That is purely unethical especially when the two models (original and duplicate) have the same dimensions/statistics and purported to perform the same. (Just like ebay advertises replica watches descriptive as "100% Authentic" however, on ebay, the prices charged for the replica watches are only a fraction of the price for the original.) Here, the price of the 'replica' is almost as much as the original.

(2) If the buyer went and bought the product in person (assumable that he did so after inspecting it first hand) why did he pay 40K, or thereabouts, for a replica? What convinced him to pay 40K for a 'genuine replica' ?

Who is fooling whom?

 

That is what clones are !  As long as the store did not claim it is an HPI product and the posted pictures does not show the HPI wording, it is for the buyer to understand that it is a clone.  Specifically note that the store did NOT use pictures of the original product (which has "hpi racing" written on it).

There are clones of various levels of quality, and prices of clones also vary depending on their quality.  I am not sure if anyone can say with certainty that a clone should be 20% cheaper or 50% cheaper. So the store never claimed it to be the original, nor did they use pictures of the original... what is unethical in selling a clone (which would, by definition, look like the original) ?

If they buyers had gotten the original in the first place, instead of getting a clone (seems like willingly), then joining the forum just to voice their frustration, would serve only one purpose.  The quality of the product would become a question mark in the minds of the audience here. Can't say the store itself did anything wrong, other than to sell clone models, which pretty much every store seems to do.

I wouldn't say much. But the person who thought he would get a Hpi Baja for 40k is to blame first. Internet is cheap and google is free guys, please use.

And far as I know, many guys who imported these clones have been claiming that it's same and is made in same factory. Some are supposed to extremely credible sellers. But something that looks same doesn't mean it's same. I have built and stripped the Hpi Baja several times. I have compared them to the detailed clone part pics on rctech. Trust me, there are some parts that fit, but not all.

But if Rcsky said its Hpi, then case is different. But highly unlikely. It's not easy to fool buyers these days.

EDIT: I see the pics used on the site are lifted from Hpi site with the HPI logo removed. Even the scale pic with the guy holding and feature list. Rcsky, remove those pics , text which says 100% compatible with HPI and use original king pics

I am going to delete the above shouting post. Please feel free to post back in proper case.

Always get original HPI it is worth the money.
see the video below.
hpi savage beaten with a hammer 

Unless the product description was changed since this issue was raised by Rahul Sarin, it is clear to anyone that the product listed is not HPI, and it is "King Motors".  RC Sky Hobby is not active on the forum it seems, and have not logged in since February... it would be interesting to see a first hand response from the store though.

So far, it clearly looks like someone expected too much from a clone, just like Ajo pointed out in Reply #16  

so u mean to say that rc sky hobby is right and me and my cousin are wrong?

It is not about what "I" have to say.  Please read this thread in full, especially posts like Reply #16 on who is to be *blamed first*.

Overall, I (and many others here) fail to see what exactly the store did wrong ! The only thing I can see wrong is they stopped taking your calls, but someone already pointed out earlier why they may do that.

Again, I asked this twice already... did the store EVER claim that this is an original HPI car ?  It is certainly not on their website.  Did they tell you it is original HPI when you met them in person ?  By your own admission in the first post, they only said the parts are compatible with HPI, which is clearly means that this is NOT an original HPI product.

If they never claimed it is original HPI, you may just need to accept the FACT that you got what you paid for

Finally, please let go of this "me and my cousin against the whole world" attitude.  Ask someone close to you (who does not know anything about what happened) to read this thread, and ask them to give their honst opinion about what went wrong or who was wrong... you will realize that people are just being rational, and they are NOT ganging up on you in favor of a store.

And I am not a car person, and I have only one starter car which I got for my son (who was around 6 when I got it).  Even for that, I had a choice of getting a Duratrax Evader or a Traxxas Slash.  I went with the Slash, and I am just so happy I made that choice and paid about double the money for it.  I see my son abusing it...  and pretty much the thing that breaks is the flower pots in the courtyard, not the car ! It certainly was more money, but worth it.

While 40K is not a small amount, your decision to get a clone seems to be the real problem.  If you got the clone, then you would have to drive it "easy" realizing that this is not the best one (of that kind of cars) that your money could buy.

We have sold KM Baja form our showroom on 14 Aug 2012 for 40k, through one of our dealer Mr. Aman in Delhi (Uncle of Rahul Sarin).
We have not shown any picture of "HPI Baja" on our website.
As i remember you bought this product after spending 2 hrs in our showroom.

It is clearly mentioned on our website (product page) "Manufactured by King Motors Sports" and on box packing of the product.
How can one be cheated if buying product by personal visit? Can we fool you??
We have never said its a HPI product. Its all over written on car and on its parts "KM RACING".

It is not possible that with normal driving the main chassis can be bent, until you bang your car in wall or abuse to its limits.
We have sold many KM Baja in last one year, but never had such problems with any of our customer.
We have almost all parts in stock for this product, if not we can arrange the same in 15 to 20 days time.

Clutch you have mentioned, we have this product available in two different variants (6000 & 8000 RPM).

I also remember last month, my office staff was complaining about a threat / misbehaving and abusing on phone, (stating that- you have sold me KM car not a Hpi car so refund me my amount or i will post it on rcindia.

At last we just want to say we have not cheated you in any ways. We have sold a brand new product you bought.

Still if you have any problem with your car we will be happy fix it.



 

  Congrats Anwar, your forum gained enough strength that now people use it to threat naming it 

 

This is not the first time I have heard this from stores, mostly on PMs.  People approach stores with unreasonable demands, and then say, if you do not heed to our demands, we will post on RC India. 

But (as this thread itself shows to some extent), such people ought to think twice about the "support" they will receive on this forum.  There are a lot more level headed AND vocal people here than what some people assume.

"Naming and shaming" is very valid in this Internet age... one needs to be careful about using it.  If there is truth/justice/reason on their side then yes, otherwise the backlash will be quite severe.

Quoted for emphasis.

If a member comes on and starts ranting about a store or vehicle, you can tell he's a "hater".

The OP has shown nearly all the characteristics of such a user.

One can be a "hater" for valid reasons... nothing wrong with that.  But that reason cannot be that he made a less than optimal purchase decision or had unrealistic expectations about durability of products or things like that.

If anyone got genuinely cheated, one WILL hate. That big dude up in the sky created us mere mortals that way. Just as long as the hate is not driven by one's convenience !

  

Rcskyhobby stop lying to the people and it was not a phone call it was a email.Ur a 3rd grade person and so are ur cars.i challenge u for a race any day anytym u name the place and ill be there

All this evasiveness isn't helping your case. Neither are personal attacks.

I have dealt with Manish and rcskyhobby a number of time visited the store personally and also mail ordered. i have had no problem with him at all.

If you look clearly the pics are directly lifted from HPI site with the "HPI" removed and also the pic of the guy holding car is a HPI EU employee. Remove those pics and then you can claim the above.

Sarin, did you call Manish for a race? Can we join too?  . Not much racing happening here.

+10 Ajo.... If there is a race happening, I would get my HPI Baja 5B too....

My hands are also itching badly.... 

@ajo
I think I should have a hybrid hpi baha race as I am a student I wish I had got hpi baha instead I bought the junk king motor baja.
Ajo guess if u and I are racing and then the great engine of the great km break down then toh the value of the car will become from nothing to 0

from reply #30 i have started enjoying this thread like anything.
especially the racing part, i will join too and i will buy a km baja specially for this race 

Yeah hahaha km baja..seriously if u race with tht then ull be disappointed as I am.The car is such a piece of junk that I didn't even last for 1lt of petrol and on the other side driving a hpi baja was like so fun even after bumping it into the walls and after bad crashes also it did not even break and I was shocked because we guy have used km baja one time in which the main plate and clutch broke..wow what a great quality

as said earlier
Google is free and you should have known earlier.
any ways that is how the clones are
i have already mentioned the quality of originals in reply #19.

Hi all posting the pictures of the hpi racing baja clutch with the junk king motor clutch check the size of the hpi red spring compared with the broken spring of km baja. As commented by are rc friend post # 5 say you can install the hpi clutch on the km motor the mounting hole of Hpi clutch are bigger so it is loose fit will not work, the km clutch bell is smaller is a different size. And the spring holes on the km motor are smaller so there is no way to install. As i took it to my friends tool room he said if we try to modify the hpi clutch for the km motor the asbestos material on the clutch will come off as he needs to clamp it to a clamp / holder to drill holes for the hpi springs. And there is no way the mounting holes matches hpi versus the king motor. Will keep posting. As commented by mannish that has sold lot of cars to people there is no one who has a king motor baja. All his friends have been called and requested to post the experience with rc sky hobbies. Is there some one out there who has a kink motor   r u n n i n g      in INDIA. All don't buy the king motor baja

mr.rcskyhobby now why dont u reply

i remember there was a brand new km baja put up for sale by hussain.
which he was not willing to sell for 24k.
he listed that he was not using it and hence selling.
here is the link
http://www.rcindia.org/for-sale/km-baja-5b-23cc/
u can pm him for queries or ask him if he has some spares which can work for you.

Thanks a lot my main objective to save the people from the trouble in which I am..and I already got a hpi baja.thanks a lot for the info buddy

recently a guy livving near to my house got a km baja and started driving it
he put in som fuel and strted with it after som time som of the nuts and bolts came out he was really shcked later going t the hpi store he got to know that the car was vibrtting so much that even the engine was going to fall off.HATS OF TO RCSKYHOBBY

why dont people get original one in the first place itself.
just to save a few thousands you get clones and suffer like anything and later repent
as said earlier google is free

sahil i know that google is for free and even nowadays a 2 years old child knows what google is but being a begginer no one really nows that wat r they really buying
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as per reply#24 mr.manish says u can get the car to me if u need any help but when my cousin went there he was told that this is a showroom nt a repair store get it done on ur own from the scooter mechanic

I enjoyed reading this thread, I'm neutral coz I'm not really sure who i may offend, but clearly be it a clone or an Hpi Baja, you need to slow down, quarter throttles till you burn at least one litr of petrol, those are the basics, and even if you buy a brand new 1:1 you are told right there and then not to speed up until you cross 1000kms or the 1st service, Rc cars mostly have the same mechanism but tiny bits, I have a km Baja and once even I bumped a divider and screwed up the skid plate ( my fault), if I revv the car like its not mine then for sure it is gonna be blown, sply the clutch, any engine run Rc car I've bought I made sure I kept it on idle for an hour depending nitro or fuel, I race I break them I fix them but the life goes onn, it's a hobby not a relationship to take it too serious.
Love life and love ppl around you.
Ps: no offense nor against mannish or the buyer.
Anwar Bhai, you are a man with wisdom, pls pm me your contact number, I'm gonna visit Doha on the 27th for a week, would appreciate if you available yo catch up,

Regards,
Asef