RC India

Hi Friends,

I recently received my FY21AP + AP117 module from Hong Kong. Now that I am planning to do some serious FPV flying, I bought this setup from www.aliexpress.com This was shipped to me through Aramex and I received it in flat 3 days including custom clearance etc.

For the people who may be interested in AutoPilot systems and OSD setups, here is the link to the product.

AutoPilot
http://www.feiyudz.cn/a/gb2312/product/Flight%20Stabilization%20System/FY-20/2010/0802/4.html (http://www.feiyudz.cn/a/gb2312/product/Flight%20Stabilization%20System/FY-20/2010/0802/4.html)

OSD
http://www.feiyudz.cn/a/gb2312/product/Flight%20Stabilization%20System/AP117/2010/1220/30.html (http://www.feiyudz.cn/a/gb2312/product/Flight%20Stabilization%20System/AP117/2010/1220/30.html)

I am planning to use this on my EPP FPV from HK, if and once it arrives.  :giggle:
I will be using the 900Mhz 1500mW 520TVL vTx vRx system as FPV gear. This will be clubbed with a TV capture card (Easy Cap from ebay) and my laptop as Video Display.

I shall keep updating the post and any further developments.

In the meanwhile here are few sample videos from Youtube that inspired me to go for this setup.

Cheers !!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh1J7Zs64tg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AuggRGyLEA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxaw6db0vvM

Nice.! This will be fun :thumbsup:
Keep us posted.

Good Product Saurabh , Have tried all their products , especially the 21AP is good .
Even the 20 A does a remarkable job on my Xeno FPV platform. On an easy star it is too good ( does the easy star need one  ;) ;D ).
I would rate the FY 20 A as a real value for money product which should be great for any beginner.
Have also sold a few 20A's and 21 AP's to other customers as well good reports .

BTW we are their distributors in India should you need any tech support from the company let me know.

http://www.feiyudz.cn/plus/list.php?tid=24

The 3 ZT fully autonomous system is also great.

Sai

Did you try their quad controller too ? It is also very nice.

I am a fixed wing type  so by all products I meant  those applicable for fixed wing  ;) :P ;D
Will be getting the Quad controller though soon.
Will let you know when i do.


sai

Hi Sai,

Thanks for the encouraging words. I had seen your name in the distributors list :)

Have you tried the 3ZT? It is quite expensive as compared to the 21AP. I was very tempted to get the 3ZT, but thought of trying the simple one first. A 3ZT with 602 radio setup would be a deadly combo with range reaching upto 25kms. Would you have the 3ZT setup with you for sale?
I now await my fpv model and the 900mhz gear...lets see how it goes.

Cheers.

Maj. Raj should be able to comment. :)

Saurabh ,
In fact I have the 3 ZT which is under trials now.
The 20 A and 21AP are selling well now.
I am trying to use the 20A on a Gimbal application soon.

Yes the 3 ZT would be expensive from a hobby point of view .


Sai

Hi Guys !!

Here are a few first sneaks of my new Autopilot and Stabilization system. The system came well packed in individual plastic boxes that you can see. Came with English manuals (for both 21AP and AP117(OSD)) and all the accessories.  :)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/TYcbxL8y3tI/AAAAAAAABJk/myBr1ohb_j4/s800/21032011257.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/TYcb8aF0zWI/AAAAAAAABJw/pFbcv4dewYc/s800/21032011260.jpg)

You can see the individual accessories that come with the system in the pic below. GPS Module with barometric altimeter is visible.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/TYccGIBCIuI/AAAAAAAABJ0/MDUqF0L9G8Q/s800/21032011264.jpg)

Wow, Lucky you  :thumbsup:......

BTW I received battries and amazingly next day only  :thumbsup:. Which (Jet) courier used which deliver package from Mumbai to Chandigarh in one day.  :salute:

Hi Friends,

Here is the sample video from FY21AP + AP117(OSD)
FPV Setup : HobbyKing 900Mhz 1500mW PAL Sony 520TVL Camera with stock Lens. (This is a MUCH better camera than the old 420TVL one)

WATCH IN 480p RESOLUTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdLBAiBMrFE

I now await my FPV plane to maiden with this setup.

How good is this compared to eagle tree and copilot setup for rth? The eagle tree setup comes to around 270$.(osd,gps,alt,speed,copilot)
How much did this cost? What all comes with the package.

@ Foamybuilder

1.Briefly introduction
The FY21AP is a stand-alone autopilot system with FY-AFSS algorithm, GPS receiver and barometric sensing equipment. It is fully upgradable with OSD OR telemetric digital communication like a Data Modem and a Ground Station Control (GCS). ( You will be able to control aircraft real time using GCS. YOU CAN EVEN REMOVE YOUR RC RECEIVER FROM YOUR AIRCRAFT  :o)
The flexible layout makes this the most versatile autopilot system in the market, designed for beginners, UAV operators and professional RC aerial photographers.

2.Features
• Internal use high-performance ARM processor, high stability. (INERTIAL SYSTEM)
• 10Hz GPS accurate location.
• Combining GPS and the barometer to fix altitude accurately.
• Complete OSD telemetry information display.
• Provide interface for data radio (if using with data tx and GCS).
• Can be combined with the GCS software , monitor the flight trajectory real time (ONLY MONITOR).
• LED displays the flying mode.
  Flying Modes :
      ACM: Auto Circle Mode (Good for having a smoke with the TX on the ground  ;))
      ABM: Auto Balance Mode (Stabalised Mode - Good for smooth landings)
      FAF: Fixed Altitude Flying (This will ensure that your aircraft does not loose altitude while taking turns etc)
      RTL: Return To Launch (Autopilot will guide the plane to Launch location and will keep circling in a radius of 120m unless you take charge. However, you need to set the failsafe of the Throttle to ensure that the aircraft has enough forward motion. This system does not control Throttle)
      RC: Normal RC Mode. (Autopilot and stability is disabled)
• Strong anti-interference ability
• Can set loss control protection for auto return
• Cost-effective (cheaper as compared to Eagletree or any other autopilot system)

FY-21AP is accomplished with a 6DOF (Degree Of Freedom) Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) comprising of three accelerometers, and three gyros, thus eliminating the problems of weather sensitive thermopile devices (IR horizon sensors).

In addition, barometric pressure data allows precise altitude hold capability.

With the FY21AP, the RC pilot does not need to worry about pitch, yaw, or roll fluctuations once the system is engaged. It takes away a huge part of flying stresses. Even in strong crosswinds, the FY-21AP's AFSS in this system will provide stabilization effortlessly.

GPS Module
Launch point coordinates are logged to enable automatic failsafe return. The new FCF (Fixed Circling Function) uses GPS data for autonomous, defined circular navigation, at any predefined target point.

On Screen Display (OSD)
Incorporating the AP117 OSD module transmits these parameters:

• altitude
• ground speed
• course
• return angle
• flying time
• current battery Voltage - Motor
• current amps drawn - Motor
• current battery Voltage - Video Tx
• distance from home
• flight mode i.e. RTL or ABM or RC etc
• no of GPS satellites locked
• artificial HORIZON
• aircraft inside temperature
• roll and pitch values
• climb/decend rate
• radar

The AP117 OSD module is state of the art, with an accurate horizon read-out indicator, overlaid with multiple telemetry data parameters. For FPV activity, it offers solid flight stabilization performance and real time pilot assistance.

Additional data that can be interfaced to your PC via the Data Radio Link Module upgrade:

• longitude
• latitude
• positioning condition
• working mode
• servo angles

INCLUDED ITEMS
1.) FY21AP Autopilot Module
2.) FY117AP OSD Module
3.) GPS + Barometric Altimeter
4.) Current Sensor + 1 Dean connector
5.) All necessary wires and extensions and Manuals.
6.) Anti-vibration mounts and some foam.

SAI from RCFORALL is the authorized distributor for this system. Please call him for price and availability.

Another Video with the OSD explained.  :)

Watch in 480p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfwTtShrkfw

good job and a gr8 thread saurab

superb stuff man. :thumbsup:

Waiting to see it in action.

Thanks Augustinev and iamahuman.

Nice equipment Saurabh..the picture quality is really good. All the best for your FPV experiments.

Thanks for your compliments and good wishes Ankur.   ;D

Superb Videos.


http://www.youtube.com/user/alishanmao#p/u/0/GZ0FZJWEBuI

hey suarabh, its really gud to see video, lots of info on OSD!!!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

but i wonder, if plane started to fly on its own how will we njoy flying!!!  :giggle: >:D

Finally my EPP FPV has arrived today...  (:|~

A few pics of the parcel... Luckily... NO CUSTOMS charged. All in 1 piece and well packed. This looks promising.  ;D

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/TZBFPjfyzyI/AAAAAAAABKk/Nx-UHi902Ns/s800/28032011001.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/TZBExd6Us4I/AAAAAAAABKc/z__W9JAQN74/s800/28032011002.jpg)

Wow man..Amazing..Congrats..I guess customs are no more bothered by rc planes..Just order away..
 :thumbsup:

More pics please..What kind of plane is this ? Links ?

Congrats Saurabh.. i had my doubts if it will get through. This could be the first EPP FPV to fly in India :thumbsup:

gr8.
 >:( , i am not getting time to be back into RC....wil try soon to be back in field again.

Sandeep

Gr8 video Saurabh!! The concept of OSD has been explained really well....will be very useful for beginners...congratulations on receiving the ARF... hope to see it up and flying soon... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Sai (rcforall) has been doing similar things for a while now. 

I meant the ARF he has bought. I don't know why they gave such a generic name to it.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14465

Hi Atul,
This is the EPP PFV plane from HK.

Here is the link to the actual product.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14465

A lot of other things will be going into it. I will mention in my following post.

Yep... I was referring to the same... just search for "Skywalker" here.

You can see a picture here :

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-locations-and-clubs/rc-in-kerala/msg46486/#msg46486

Some details here :

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-locations-and-clubs/rc-in-kerala/msg46496/#msg46496

Sai was selling it earlier, and he showed me one when I visited his office.  He had also made one himself using the other one as a template.

I remember Skywalker but this is a totally different plane.

Hi Friends,

Now that I have received my EPP FPV from HK, following are the 'works' that will go into it.

A.) HK EPP FPV PLANE SETUP
  1.) EPP-FPV 1.8M X-Large EPP & Carbon Fiber R/C Plane
  2.) 4 X MG90 High Speed Metal Gear Servos.
  3.) Turnigy Plush 60 Amps Brushless ESC.
  4.) NTM Series 35-36A 1400Kv / 550W Brushless Outrunner Motor with accessories.
  5.) TGS Sport 10x5E Precision propeller.
  6.) 2 X Turnigy 2200mAh 3S 20C Lipo Pack.
  7.) XT60 Harness for 2 Packs in Parallel.

B.) FPV GEAR SETUP
  1.) HK 900MHZ 1500mW Tx/Rx & 1/3-inch CCD Camera PAL 520TVL with Receiver.
  2.) EasyCAP USB Video Capture Card to monitor and record real-time on Laptop.

C.) AUTOPILOT & OSD
  1.) FeiyuTech FY21AP + AP117(OSD) Autopilot and Stabilization System. (with GPS and Current Sensor)

FURTURE UPGRADE (Already Ordered)
  1.) FY602 Real-time Telemetry Transceiver (433 Mhz, 2000mW, 25 KM Range)
  2.) FeiyuTech Ground Station Controller + GCS Software (for autonomous / waypoint navigation and flying)

"Totally" ? :)  1.6m/1.8m, EPP, pusher.  Yes, T-tail, exposed rod for fuse etc are different, but same class. Anyways, just wanted to say that people have been doing similar things.

Most importantly, even if it is the 100th time, it is still a charm ;)

PS: My duty to remind all that long range FPV seems to be restricted, under AP guidelines/rules :( 

Hi Friends,

Here is the FY21AP UPGRADE Kit... Received today.

It comes with  :

1.) 2 X Data Transceivers 433 Mhz, 2000mW (25 km range) + Antennas (First Pic)
2.) GCS (Ground Controller Station) + software + all necessary cables. (Second Pic)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/TZGbqTZhUQI/AAAAAAAABLA/MzTrMcyqE0g/s800/29032011008.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/TZGbcLgc81I/AAAAAAAABK8/W5Mv5gPMY0Y/s800/GCS.jpg)

You can see AIROLI Flying field in the above pic

+1 on that ,Also airoli is on the final approach path for R/W 27 of mumbai, FAP incl 30 deg from R/W threshold on either side of the threshold in case of a straight in approach and for a circling approach, it is 18 nm i think, in both cases it is within the field, be advised, be extremely careful. unlike other countries our DGCA rules are extremely restrictive and stringent. all the best :thumbsup:

Hi saurabh

Do update me on the performance of the motor + plush 60..i am planning to buy the same for my extra 330s.

Regards
Ankur

Thanks for the headsup Augustinev. I will not be flying the setup there anyways... I just downloaded the map as sample. I plan to fly with the 25km setup, way away from the city... maybe I will take help from Praveen to get to his farmhouse 40 km away.... :)
The last thing I would need is a legal implication... Not worth it at all. Not to worry.  :salute:
Appreciate your inputs and help.  :thumbsup:

Thanks to Anwar as well for bringing this to notice. :)

Sure Ankur. Will keep you posted once I receive the parcel.

Anwar ,
I have my own air frame which at best could be described as a highly modified Skywalker using locally available 30kg/cu. m styrofoam hand made  ;) ;D
Done a couple of flights beyond 3 KM  but  cant go beyond as we are boxed in beyond that distance considering our flying location
So I guess have to live with this limitation for a while .
My LRS is Dragon link  which  has been flown beyond 20 km else where.
Had a severe Crash a few weeks back  with the plane slamming nose first  from an altitude of 116 m  at a terminal impact velocity of well over 100km/h.
Plane was write off but no damage what so ever to the electronics including the Auto Pilot . Proving that local HD styro is as good. Battery was a write off though :giggle:
In fact I found that the fact that the styro gave way completely helped in decimating energy .


Sai

Oh i missed this update from saurabh.. the plane look huge man..
How is the fuselage space inside, enough to fit all your electronics?
As I plan for eagle tree, I need a monster in air  :giggle:
Will start building my fpv plane in a month or so

Sai, was wondering what is the legal status of the OSD in India.

Also, anyone has any views on FPV (first person view) flying - I mean is it illegal, or is it just that the rules are conspicous by their absence (as is the case for general RC flying), and therefore one should refrain.

Regards
Rishi

Hey saurabh, have a doubt regarding the HK fpv plane you have bought. Are the wings in two halfs like the easy star and could be removed for transportation?

There is no legal cover under the law of the land even for RC Flying. It was AMAI which set FPV out side the purview of Legal R/C Flying. Well, AMAI is still prove itself as governing body to lay laws/guideline for Indian citizens.

Till then, everything is Black, everything is White. Use your judgement and ability to convince authorities in event of any eventualities. 

one law that i see it will be covered under would be , (a) FPV should be 25 Nautical Miles 46.3 Kms from nearest Airport (This is called the TMA i.e Terminal Manoeuvring Area ) (b) Outside this area max ht , if i am not mistaken is 1000 feet agl, above which Flight Plan is mandatory. If push comes to shove this is the rule DGCA will apply. Bottom line is all FPV guys need o fly it responsibly, one show off, one news piece and that will be the end of FPV in india.

Hi Foamybuilder,

Yes, there is a lot of space inside the fuselage. Infact the fuselage is quite huge indeed. I should easily hold a 6Cell 5000 mah pack. However, I will be using the 4 cell 5000 mah pack. The only problem is that, the inside space is a bit narrow for your hands to slip in.

Hi,
Yes, the wings are in 2 pcs and you can dismantle for transportation. However, I plan to epoxy them together for more sturdiness.
Cheers...

+1 to that.. FPV guys have to use their systems responsibly and at their own risk.

I received my FRSky DIY module with 2 receivers yesterday. I have installed it in my Turnigy 9X and it works really well.

Here is the video for installation guide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHnV6hGH108

My radio gear is ready for the FPV flight, however I am still waiting for the power setup to arrive.

The new GSC by FYTech.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=3973398&d=1303898692
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=3973399&d=1303898972

Just try it... you need to have the google earth plugin installed.

http://www.google.com/earth/explore/products/plugin.html

I know I have been going slow on my FPV project, but thats how I intend it to be. Dont want to rush anything. Yesterday, I received my power setup for the EPP FPV plane. I will be installing it over the weekend and the flying starts soon after that. In the meanwhile, I also converted my Turnigy 9X to the FrSky system... Here are a few pics with stock antenna and a HIGH GAIN Antenna.

This is the converted radio WITHOUT any antenna.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/Tb9_QPe_9KI/AAAAAAAABMs/bcDvVytq5Uw/s800/03052011059.jpg)


Here is the radio with FrSky 2.4Ghz Stock antenna (2dbi gain)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/Tb9_McOKbkI/AAAAAAAABMo/LRc8k_KBWGw/s800/03052011061.jpg)


Another pic with STOCK antenna
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/Tb9_G1AGCWI/AAAAAAAABMk/4VIOKUjrDeQ/s800/03052011063.jpg)


This is the tx with HIGH GAIN Antenna (5dbi) for Longer range
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/Tb9_Xrb7J8I/AAAAAAAABM0/vyfdOUaVGg0/s800/03052011067.jpg)


Another pic with the High Gain Antenna
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_0siHX_jX5CU/Tb9_XEGOqtI/AAAAAAAABMw/KS693_xL2G8/s800/03052011066.jpg)

Cool even I plan to do the same! But first I should be able to setup with hk radio, my OSD and other fpv setups are on the way.

@foamybuilder

Few questions for you.. :)

1.) What FPV system have you finally decided upon? 900 or 2.4 or 5.8? and Power ?
2.) What camera do you plan to use for your PFV flight?
3.) Are you planning for any stabalization system like 21AP?
4.) Which OSD?
5.) Planning for the FrSky radio gear with Turnigy 9X?
6.) Do you plan to record your flights ? What ground station do you plan to use?
7.) Are you interested in autonomous flying? I may be doing it later with my 605 radio. :)

I usually like to shy away with these questions as people may not like my poor mans setup as I always be searching for low cost and reliable products.
1.) 1.2ghz sunsky with dual notch filter
2.) Its a cmos camera which I thought the output was much better than hk cams. (its just a part of research I may be wrong)
3.) No, initially I wanted to go for copilot with eagle tree combo. Now I would be just using rate gyros for pitch and ailerons.
4.) Its a low cost one (http://www.foxtechfpv.com/foxtech-ce-osd-v121-new-radar-function%EF%BC%88new-switch-regulator%EF%BC%89-p-170.html)
5.) Yes, possibly first launch will be with my HK radio without pantilt
6.) Yes, with Easy cap. (Once I shift to a bigger plane I should be setting up with my sanyo Xacti hd cam)
7.) No. The osd i mentioned has expandability for autopilot I guess. But wont be using this gear for autopilot.

I do not plan to exceed 700-800grams with fpv equipment, dont want a flying fortress initially.

Thanks for your response.
There is nothing to be shy of.  ;D Anyway there are not many into FPV flying in India. I mean its a different league.

Cyclops OSD are good and are preferred by people who do not want every information to be displayed.
How far have you reached with your setup? Have you received all the components? Started with the build?

Anyway, wish you all the best for your first flight. Do keep us posted. :)

Thats a lot of Info for me to digest at once :giggle:

Nice fpv gear you got there saurabh ! :)

lol and we both have the same fpv plane :P

No Probs Samanth. You can reach me at +919004548889 incase you need any help.  :thumbsup:

Good to see many are doing this fpv stuff, keep us updated samanth

@saurabh: some stuffs have arrived, but some are stuck in Mumbai customs. Will start building the plane once I get all fpv stuffs in hand.

Edit:
Nice FPV systems you guys have got there :thumbsup:

In the interest of the community, I would urge anyone interested in this topic to communicate further via PM only. I am open to answer any question or provide any help to the best of my limited knowledge.

Feel free to reach me at +919004548889.

Thanks SunLikeStar

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/388816000-AFFS-autopilot-controller-FPV-aircraft-stabilizer-system-this-price-not-including-OSD--wholesalers.html

hey saurabh.. is this the same link u got it from.. i am plannin to get one soon..

PM sent. Plz check your PM paladugu_sujith

Why only answers through PM  :headscratch:

i just ordered vid tx and rx.. and now planning to buy feiyutech system..

this would be my video tx setup.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=13444

for short range

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=15281

for directional long range

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=15283


i would use my optic 6 tx for 1.5-2 km range

 

i got my setup today..  8 day delivery via EMS. i will be using a 11 dbi antenna on this setup and lets see if its real fun..:D :D

nice.. expecting FPV video pretty soon...!!!

whats the final weight

2.3 kg  :(

hmm... somehow i feel the vtx antennas are too heavy. from the pic it looks similar to mine.

i have rad some where in the thread that a range of 25 km , like which type of radio can control this much long distance , i know about 500,1000,1500mw fpv but these are only for signals ,not for the control,

plz guide,

you get something called dragon link

dragon link or chain link.!! both claim to be 25 kms.. but vids and reviews shows a max of 12 kms..

Saurabh..All the best man..

Waiting for a video..:D

Hope you are excited ?

thanks saurabh i am saving you no. ,

here is my FPV setup

http://www.facebook.com/v/2003129125255

   
FeiyuTech Autopilot and Stabilization System Now available on HK at low prices.

FeiYu Tech FY-21AP (Flight Stabilization System)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=17499

FeiYu Tech FY-21AP with AP117 (Flight Stabilization with OSD)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=17500
Price with Buddy Code $238. :hatsoff:

wohooo!!! bravo!!! thnk u so much crazypilot. for posting this.!!

EDIT: crazypilot can u plz post buddy code link for fy21ap with osd

regards
sujith

Stay on this page for a while you will get this in 198$................without buddy code... :giggle:, I havent see such a discount before !!!!!

:D

http://hk.rc-international.info/buddy/feiyu-tech-fy-21ap-with-ap117-8296

Which Camera And Wireless Video Transmitter You Use With This Gadget

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=16457

I have understood that this autopilot can guide the plane in laterally along defined GPS points but
What about vertical path? Is it defined along with the GPS points.
Does it control even the motor/engine to manage the total thrust?
Does it provides any evelope protection in terms of load factor or high speed?
After having worked on the simulation of auto flight systems (A380/A400M), I just got these questions.

i will be making ardupilot system, now just waiting for apm2 to release