RC India

Hi all. I am new to this forum , and I am sitting in Vancouver British Columbia.
As my RC and real life project might have a diverse impact in a number of countries around the world, I choose to maintain a build log here as well as in the United States and if possible also in other places.

Now to what I am designing in Blender 3D  2.7x) This is a Cut and paste from Flite test:

I am developing a mix between an airplane and a sailboat. (RC and real life: Kind of like in Peter Pan or The Mummy (Scorpion King episode). The difference is of course that this is a serious approach to an actual "flying" sailboat.

There are working examples out there of Ground Effect Vehicles, that power of a motorcycle gas engine. However None of them are powered by the wind. In order to make things a bit smoother I will work with micro-controllers, electronic sensors and alternative servo actuators to manipulate the partly home brewed control surfaces that hopefully will keep this thing floating through the air in an intended direction.
The one example in real life we have that a perpetually flying oceanic ship would possibly be able to maintain flight is a big and famous bird:
The Albatross consumes zero energy in flight. I hope I will not have to mimic the physics of this bird too much. I have and will be working in Blender 3D to mind-map all the details necessary for success.

Most and probably all of what  I model will be available as Open source. Sadly the HTML editor disappeared so I will post the directory links in a reply to this thread.

The Umbrella term I have chosen for my project is Ocean Homie. The 3D screenshot  attached goes by the name Air-Ploat One I re designed it  a lot since I took this screen shot:

The links
./blend Airfoils :
https://mega.nz/#F!IQAUBCJB!m1d0Jd4kf-DNJ7ZSgJlu-g
 (https://mega.nz/#F!IQAUBCJB!m1d0Jd4kf-DNJ7ZSgJlu-g)
Other development files and pictures:
https://mega.nz/#F!IIZyVRYZ!nWbm29EnoGLPr7UttxS3qA
 (https://mega.nz/#F!IIZyVRYZ!nWbm29EnoGLPr7UttxS3qA)

The project looks and sounds great ;D

But I'm pessimistic of the design. I've not viewed it in Blender, but just my guess.
I don't know, but it just looks heavy for a sail/flying/boat.

Also, perpetual systems do not exist ;D :P

Who knows , but flying systems that don't cost energy is possible.

Well, energy is definitely required to fly, or basically to do anything.

In the case of a solar plane, energy from sunlight is stored and used to fly. The efficiency should be peek, to attain such a flight, I believe. But that's no way perpetual.

But I just love to think of perpetual systems, and to prove how that's not possible ;D

Clarifying what I wrote above about the Albatross:

The Albatross spends its entire 50 year long life in Perpetual Oceanic Flight .It only seeks land to nest and procreate.
It consumes zero energy in flight.
Nay sayers are a strange crowd. They seem to draw energy from PerpetuatinG to take down other peoples inspiration.

BTW If I never saw a JumboJet or any other airplane take off I would seriously doubt that they could ever become airborne.

A Nay sayer never achieved and never will achieve anything but misery for him/herself and others. 

Oh boy! You need some serious science lessons, let alone only physics.

Every creature needs some sort of energy to survive. And, the energy produced has to be spent. The major way a bird spends its energy is through flying.

You may mean to say it has a very efficient body, which consumes the least energy. But saying 'it requires none' can be considered nothing other than stupid. No offence, by the way.

Well we know naysayers of the flat-earth theory, because we know earth is not flat.

Aravind298: After your repeated arrogant and conescending comments on my Air-craft development posts as well as on the Well established fact that
1: Each  living Albatross spends its 50 years   in perpetual flight,
2:  This bird consumes Zero energy in doing so.

,I seriously doubt that you are playing with a full deck.

To All the other People that hopefully take a serious interest in my post:
A more recent Render:
From underneath you can clearly see the outline of a backwards boat hull.   Blender Render makes it look like it's made of Cardboard which it will be.

I cut out surfaces for the regular Elevons and Rudder Airplane Controls.

 

I'm dumb  :bow:

Never meant to discourage you.

Aravind bro , you are seriously mistaken , he is not talking about the metabolism of energy the bird spends while flying , it is the flight of the albatross , and for a solar plane, there is ni net loss of energy while flying , so it doesn't cost energy. When I say it doesn't cost energy to fly , it means that it relies on external forces rather than not having any energy at all. Think of a sailboat , does it cost any energy other than the external wind energy which pushes it forward? Or a glider. They doesn't spend energy to move. And perpetualism on a whole scale is quite possible, think of the momentum of earth which keeps it in orbit around the sun and doesn't make it collapse.If there was no perpetual system, the velocity of the earth would've collapsed. Newtonian motion approves perpetual motion. But , you will say that perpetual motion is not possible , since there is friction in the object. So, here is a way I can answer it. You ask the question yourself. "A body will be in state of continuous linear motion as long as an external unbalanced force acts on it". Here, the external unbalanced force is Friction. You read the statement once , but now read it once again slowly this time. 'continuous linear motion' this part of implies velocity , since p=∆(mv), since the velocity involved is too low than light ∆m can be taken as zero. So , we have a potential of proving Perpetual Motion if we can derive a mathematical explanation for it. I also agree with you that , the perpetual motion what we actually talk about like machines which works on itself cannot work due to the force of friction , since friction from air is the lowest and on a low speed , friction from air is approximately equal to zero. In space , perpetual motion is possible and the momentum of earth is not maintained by sun's gravity , if that was the case then the artificial satellites we send to orbit earth are lowered with time and collapse down after a specific time period regards.

Quote from www.physicsclassroom/lesson 1:
"The focus of Lesson 1 is Newton's first law of motion - sometimes referred to as the law of inertia. Newton's first law of motion is often stated as. An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction
unless acted upon by an unbalanced force."

@avian,
Here's a source of inspiration, as you must be already aware!

That's a very inspiring quote Iyer Sir.
All the best Avian. Keep posting updates.

Nitesh

Hey Avian! I'm truly supporting your idea. But I feel objections are just good. Because science, as we know it today, won't have existed without objections ad questioning.
In fact, I literally feel great after reading all the scientific facts Al Ham Shari has shared.


But I would choose to disagree with you(Al) here. It is not perpetualism that is keeping the earth where it is, but the energy due to big-bang.
And the space offers so little resistance/friction, that the force has carried on (will carry on tomorrow) till today.

And Newtonian motion do approve perpetual motion, provided there is no external force. But even in space we do; because nothing's a perfect vacuum. PS: I'm not providing a link here, as it's very known and popular.


I do take your interest seriously buddy! I seriously do. Please don't be discouraged by objections. You will only be expanding your knowledge, when you tend to answer these questions. And yes, we can seriously avoid arguments; just a waste of time.




 

Read everything​ above....
I just think it's possible like in theory( although I am in doubt here too) ...but to make it...whew that's a ...like very difficult proposal...
Also I feel if it stays close to waves..like a sailboat.....it will never b able to take off with just wave energy right there...just feels wrong....
But I could be totally wrong ..I mean pricks like me called the earth flat too..
So first time for everything....
Goodluck mate....
Keep posting updates

Also I am a wildlife enthusiast and a geography student..
So the albatross comparison is kinda wrong....
Coz waves only accumulate their lift generating effect at a certain height above water...
A sailboat cannot take off just right above a wave....
There has to be a accumulation of energy which a large wingspan must be able to exploit....
Seems like a very challenging project...
Would love to do something similar ....

Yes. That's what I had pointed about a little problem with the design. But keep going!

Also...vultures fly in thermals...free energy ....
So does an albatross in wave wind energy.....
Why does ur design look more like a vulture design with lots of wing cord??
Go for a albatross design with less chord and large wingspan..
Consider the difference between how a thermal generates lift and how waves do(

Might be helpful to you: https://electrek.co/2017/10/20/solar-drone-capable-of-quasi-perpetual-flight-tested-in-the-arctic/

Try getting in touch with the manufacturer. It may help.

@Kk Iyer Sir , my mistake , wrote the inverse of what I wanted to say and u corrected it. @Aravind what you are saying is right and I don't object it , the big bang gave a threshold force , but what Perpetualism is all about is continuous movement of an object without external force. Space does contain air but ~0.001 Atm in deep space as far as I can remember , so the frictional coefficient can be taken as zero given that the frictional force is nearly negligible.

Honestly speaking, if it were, by any measures negligible, we could harness unlimited energy; which does not quite happen.(Don't know if NASA has some secret thing going on :P). But, perpetualism is kinda cool to think of.

Let's hope to find a renewable and clean source of energy soon! (even by perpetual means).

Bro , perpetual systems doesn't produce energy more it loses energy , it only has momentum. It moves. I think fusion reaction is the promise of our future. If only we could make one.

Nor*

Research on fusion reaction is going on, vigorously. Since hydrogen is an abundant element, we can equate it to infinity. But availability of hydrogen in the fuel form, is what one of the major challenges is.

Saying a perpetual system neither creates nor destroys energy is not correct; at least that's what I feel. But the net energy is zero.

But I highly doubt it. Since we cannot negotiate any variable when deciding a system is perpetual or not. Perpetual systems, as of now, have only been a science fiction.
Yeah, you can challenge me with Solar Plane. But the motors wear off during every time it spins. The battery pack that stores extra energy loses some of it's capacity after every cycle.

But that's never a conclusion. With the advancement in Quantum Mechanics, research is going-on on self healing tech. If something like that is brought to the consumer, we can call it perpetual.

Meant we can relate the hydrogen reserves to infinity.

Nope, like anything hydrogen is far more limited than you are likely to imagine.

Well, I was not talking about our little earth buddy. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in this Universe. It's about how we're able to utilize it.

But that is not possible bro, to harvest energy from space unless you live there.

This drifted very far from the project description, which itself is not very clear. Care to elaborate sir?

http://www.rcindia.org/self-designed-diy-and-college-projects/perpetual-oceanic-flight-airploat-one/ : Self explanatory.

First: Thanks for all your relevant and irrelevant input, (making this topic red painted for some reason)  I never went into detail with the albatross.  I just wanted to point out that if the albatross is out there generation after generation for how many million years?, we all must have missed something....

As I stated above the model is in constant change, and the most current image is on the second directory link, showing how Airploat One would look with Wing-sails reefed (planned 2-B automatic system with failure recovery).

This is a poor mans scrap re-use project, I am designing my work without pay on a "third mile" laptop. using  free software such as Blender 3D on Linux.
For electronics I will use Free Hardware and software such as Arduino.
For The "fuselage" I will use an old 2B scrapped smallish GRP sailboath hull. For Masts I plan 2 use Scaffolding Aluminium parts. Some parts will have to be designed and manufactured from scratch such as the motorized mast Climber. However, at least in the RC universe these parts can be designed for functional 3D printout. 
For Wings I  will try to use Donated Light weight Aluminum Construction ladders together with foam.    will it be airworthy ? 
For the RC model this compares to 3D-printed plastics I have designed these with Blender 3D.
For the RC model I plan the wing sails to be made from Pro-pylene cups from McDonalds or similar. The real life wing-sails are planned 2 B from composite since  the four wings need to:
Morph with the help of the wind and also be sturdy enough to keep up and stabilize the upper Construction ladder Airfoil (with props and motors) that in turn is meant to squeese the wing-sails into an electronically negotiated  sail trim..

I will post pictures continuously  of my development, and if interest continues I will put out all of my development files for people to use as they wish.   
windows Explorer stopped working at the library...

posting pics later... 
 

Keep up the good work. Learn from the critics, if it's worth learning; else just ignore them!

Also, since you're out of India, reach out to people in RC at your place. Surely, there will be people to help you.

The pics I have to show:
1: This is my camera focusing on the dying shattered screen laptop with reflected flourescent bulbs presenting My cut-outs of regular airplane control surfaces.

2: A Blender 3D development of a geared  mast climbing box with torlon bearings to be used intertwined with two or three  other mechanisms
(Wingsail trim 2 wind at desired path of travel and Wingsail 4 stage electronic reefing mechanism)
repeated between 6 to eight times in the wingsail masts meet airfoils positions.

3. A construction ladder completely modelled in Blender 3D for use in airfoils development.
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The topic is Oceanic perpetual flight Airploat one. As far as RC-India is concerned:
 
My project primary objective is to develop a seaworthy and silent flying machine that can travel far-far-away distances by sea without consuming gas for one thing, and  also make use of the Ocean breeze to maintain flight if not for take-off.   For personal safety, practicality and price concerns I find it useful to first make this mechanical "bird-fish" as an RC model, and later grow it to full size. As I plan to make it full size The RC model must simulate the full sized material properties as far as possible. I cannot use foam for instance because that would be too lightweight.

Even if this machine would only do shallow jumps above the oceanic ground effect zones and touch down to surf the waves with hydrofoils (not in place yet) this would be a personal success for me.

I hope this description s to satisfaction? 

Avian

Hey Avian! Can you explain the third picture? A ladder and an airfoils, I'm not able to understand. Thanks :)

The virtual ladders are still to be put in place to build up the wing surfaces. The RC model will incorporate 3d printed PLA miniature versions of standardized Aluminium construction ladders which I intend to use in conjunction with foam board and other suitable, affordable hydro-phoebic structures that can be found in every country for a fair price. I will use this method instead of trying to assemble ribs and spars.

Hope this clarifies somewhat. 

Avian.

I decided to use  Youtube  for presenting Videos of my progress with Blender 3D and Air Ploat One development. Is there a better Video Service out there?

I am experimenting with Rigid body physics and virtual RC (in screen mouse controlled) Later I will try to make plugins for Blender 3D 2.76 to be able to design my Physical Arduino board based RC transmitter independently of the physical vessel.

Two weeks ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCxIjB7P1YM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCxIjB7P1YM)


Now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GelIHM2pLk8
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GelIHM2pLk8)

I will have to take at least a two week break from development of Airploat One now.
I will post more here when time is given.

At the current moment I am looking for Open and free linux based software that is easy and straight forward to quickly get into and use
for "collaborative project development on equal terms"  by a few willing voluntary hands on a global level.
I see an enormous growth potential and a trail of wealth by the end of the mirage that my dream of
a functional oceanic mechanical bird-fish farm tractor now is in process of creating. 

The  initial cause and idea to shape Air-Ploat One Awoke as our world quickly is shrinking and all see and feel a lot of social friction.
Also the commonly agreed upon 19 century economical ideas for socioeconomic development are quickly being played away with.   

Air-Ploat One development was initiated because we have a planet full of oxygen, water and life on every level.
Why not try to go out and make use of it all?
Myself I want to live in a world where every possible difference and diversity is considered as possible potential for social growth
and accepted as such.
On electronic social media networks I now present myself as
 
OceanHomie.

I want to go out and try to help colonize the latitudes and longitudes simply cause if not then we will quickly fill it all up with plastic garbage.
That is where I hope that Air-ploat One or a similar vessel will make a substantial difference. We can farm the Oceans
for different kinds of Seaweed for medical as well as other technological purposes.
We still know very little about the potential hidden under the surface of the sea.
Only today I discovered a fantastic development in algae batteries that they intend to put to use in phones and electric vehicles.
Or why not in RC vehicles? or Air-Ploat One?


Hope to continue this soon. Avian.

Most free and open offline collaboration tools out there are scattered around. Also none of the manifold Linux distros seems to have a focus on similar projects.
I've now decided to take time and gather free and open software on to a Linux live DVD or USB that directly caters for Project developments especially for small charities and NGOs that may assist offline personalities perhaps involved in other types of farm projects.
It will be another few weeks before I am back to post more about  the AirPloat One RC project in this thread.
 

@avian Are you currently working on it or did you stop it? The last post you made was on March 1 on the flight test forums.
Regards.