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« on: March 20, 2013, 10:41:54 PM »
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Hi all,

I'm making tapered wings for a plane for a project. Since it has a taper and then a sweepback, it is a pain to build using balsa.

I've tried using a hotwire cutter, but the nichrome wire "bends" inside the foam, so the wing in front view has a slight (very shallow) U shape. Is this avoidable in manual cutter?

Does anyone know of a CNC hot-wire cutting machine (which can cut tapered wings) in or around Mumbai?

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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 02:18:16 PM »
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To make that nichrome hot wire cutter. do we need transformer to reduce voltage or directly plug into 240v power supply?
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2013, 03:56:30 PM »
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Aniket, DO'NT ever plug a nicrome wire hot cutter directly into the mains, you'll be posing yourself to a serious risk of electrocution and burn injury...... Besides, the high temperature will evaporate the foam, step down the supply to something around 12 - 20V and then use it with the cutter
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2013, 04:08:16 PM »
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Thanks Bilal. I have 12V, 1amp battery eliminator, is that ok.
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2013, 04:15:44 PM »
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Firstly aniket your mains will just blow if you directly plug it in. Secondly fire!!!. And well as bilal bhaiya said electrocution.
I dont know of anyone that has a CNC hotwire cutter around mumbai. The foam i think is mostly directly expanded into preformed CNC moulds or compression cut. CNC hotwire will be with the BIG boys of foam cutting. Like sofa manufacturers. Or if you have a CNC you could make wing sections then make your full wing with the pieces.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2013, 04:45:34 PM »
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Can u post what wing u plan to make ....... Picture of lookalike
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2013, 04:53:22 PM »
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Very well sai Neil, most of the commercial EPP planes are directly expanded into the mould rather than hot wired or die cut, commerciial CNC foam cutters are availaible in packaging sections of companies that export/ship goods, but then again not everyone has access to them
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2013, 09:28:31 PM »
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I have made a wing out of thermacol. I used sand paper and knife to trim it. it has uneven surface. that's why i asked about this hot cutter.
From thermacol I made this

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 05:10:04 PM »
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This is for all the beginners interested to make a hotwire cutter

1. use guitar E string
2. make a bow - literally - like those used to shoot arrows about 2 feet.
3. connect the guitar string on each end using crocodile clips.
4. Get a brushed motor controller
5. get a Rc receiver
6. get a transmitter
7. get a lipoly pack.

Now connect the brushed esc to the receiver (channel 3 as usual)

the two ends of the bow should be connected to the motor connections in the esc - it
does not matter which wire goes where.

To operate:
put the wire on a piece of scrap foam
Switch on tx
Plug in lipo to esc and arm esc (just like operating a motor)
slowly advance throttle - you will find the wire getting hot
keep advancing until it gets hot enough to cut foam with only little pressure.

Will be happy to clarify any of the above

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 05:24:04 PM »
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To make the surface smoother just go on sanding. Or take a knife and heat it and bring its flat surface close to the surface of the foam, only close enough so the heat radiating from the knife or any hot metal surface will shrink the foam to a smoother surface. If your application does not require Very strong wings then make simple wings like the Armin wing by experimental air. Some of his wings are even used by FliteTest Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 05:32:56 PM »
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which is guitar e string can u use no. like 1,2,3 etc..
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2013, 06:13:13 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 06:33:49 PM »
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Instead of having tx around you could buy a servo tester and do the same will save some wear on the tx. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 08:35:11 PM »
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Yes - a servo tester is ideal - but i'm not sure that beginners would
be having access to one.

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2013, 08:42:20 PM »
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Anyone can tell me a link for buying one under 300
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2013, 10:21:59 PM »
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According to me the beginners should be the first ones to buy it. Very useful tool. Can not only test servos but also check motors, aides when testing power systems, can be used in hot wire foam cutters.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2013, 10:49:32 PM »
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@saikat,
+1
Will it work with a brushless ESC?
Will await answer before burning an ESC on sunday.
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KK sir used a brushed esc as hot wire cutting requires regulated DC output. Temp will be controlled by either a servo tester or tx. As more throttle higher amps more heat Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2013, 11:10:32 PM »
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Exactly the point.
Why should the hot wire care if its AC or DC or pulsed DC?
Remember room heaters and irons.
Guess i will have to try & see.

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Well the hot wire wont care but figuring out the wiring will be a difficult task if you figure it out sir please share it with us sir Bow
Also du to the fluctuating nature of AC i think keeping the temp constant will be difficult. Constant temp is required for smooth cutting.
Please correct if i am wrong.
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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2013, 09:51:45 AM »
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Made one for myself as per saikat sir guidelines...
Only took 2 hour to make...electronic connection only 5min...already had turnigy 20a brushed esc so no difficulty part in electronics...

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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2013, 10:03:29 AM »
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Great job yash

Mr Iyer - AC will work - but you would need a transformer , again beyond the scope
of beginners.
Brushless esc will also work - but will be terribly inefficient as you would be connecting
only two of the motor wires(remember the brushed motor discussion) - you would be placing
more load on the esc - not advisable

If there is interest I can post my setup for slicing foam and depron

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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2013, 10:20:35 AM »
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Saikat, there is interest Cheesy so please post
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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2013, 07:07:10 PM »
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Anikethan : Out of topic though, but what airfoil were you trying to make, that looks way too thick.

For tapered wings, fix the hotwire to a screw at one end of the table and moving the other end over a airfoil template. Watch this :
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2013, 09:00:46 PM »
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Yes ! Saikat.....it would be interesting to see your setup. Please do post. Thanks
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