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Nothing new or interesting there. All the models are basic high wingers, easy star and even slow stick (must have copied the plans from some site and before internet from RC mags. LOL). No ingenuity.  I can comment pic by pic but dont want to waste my time. Its just a drdo guy using taxpayers money. I wonder if their radial engine or rx etc. ever got detained by customs. there must be different rules for these guys. 

PS- About my reply # 2 above-- I thought he was someone of our RC community.

Sure... but have YOU built anything THAT SIZE ?  I have not, and I can FEEL what it takes.  Yes, the plans and information is available, but have YOU found the motivation, time and effort to build anything like these ? If you have, you are entitled to your comments... but I stand by mine What I learnt from people like Mike is that even with the best of information, every scratch build presents its own challenges !

Getting to do this as a day job makes it easy, as you said.  I would imagine getting adopted/hired to do this as a day job would need some prior effort from that person.

I bet he has not build anything that size; but then again, he is not the "Defence Research and Development Organisation of republic of India".

I Can not because----
1) I dont get the equipment free. If u send me a bigggg like 500 cc engine and all the accessories needed to build the plane, I will.
2) I doubt if u can get the needed hardware without messing with custom a******s.


I have the motivation ---
1) u get me the hardware.
2) time -- its that guys job for crying out loud.
3) effort- its his job and u can see the helpers in pics. while on the subject get me some helpers also. thx.


yes- that prior effort will include a relative/acquaintance with govt. officials in that agency who can move some strings to get u that job.

Let us not gang up on CrazyPilot That was not at all my intention !

My expression of awe was based on my "newbie" status at scratch building, so I can very well understand a seasoned builder's comments.

I see you need some anti-customs rehab/treatment   I wouldn't want to be a customs official in your neighborhood

My comment shall purely be looked upon based on the quote below :

Again i tell u that i dont get the equipment for free. It comes from my hard earned money. u send me the hardware and i will build it for u for free. One more thing u cant compare an agency like DRDO to an individual like me. Try comparing it with DARPA or US DoD. Thx

Just for ur info. watch these and then compare

Sorry, I will be more careful from now on.

Well, my comment was in in agreement with CrazyPilot's comment. Those planes look too lame to be sitting in DRDO hangar. I mean Izmile builds better plane, all by himself, WITHOUT government funding.
@CrazyPilot i am with you my man 

Not sure I want to prolong this discussion, but you can't compare DRDO to the US agencies either   Apart from budget differences, part of the problem is human (like some of your customs friends).

Me too.


Yep,  Its just like comparing me with DRDO. LOL

This part i dont get. customs can not detain govt. parcels afaik. they have diff. classification for them.

I did not, unless you took that "BIG" part as literally the same size referenced.  I meant big scratch built planes, not necessarily 50KG ones.


Leave it... I was referring to "how the system works in India"

ok Sir, no more comments. but If i keep going like this, I just might be the first guy ever to be kicked from this forum.

You don't know this forum  

No topic will get locked for arguing, nor would anyone get booted   Speak freely my friend

PS: Only if you resort to "name calling" etc, then different rules apply !

Read the last sentence in this post : http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/why-fm-radios-(72mhz-etc)-are-not-a-good-idea-any-more/msg4236/#msg4236 , and then read that whole thread... it makes good bed time reading !!!

I betcha  you come live on HAM band (even on  territorial 2Meter) with this attitude, you gonna be bailed out. Thanks this is a 'Free Forum'.

I have absolute extremely high respect for what 'Old Men' at ISRO, DRDO, Bhabha etc have done.
You talk about Taxpayer money ? These Indian organization would not be getting more than 0.01% of what their US counterpart like NSA/DARPA etc get. Not to mention, doing so without the most of the better brains either working for Goggle/Facebook/Microsoft/TSC/Infy or their own startup. And I am not talking about various sanction imposed on them which bars them to import sensitive technology core to develop any of the Fancy (and few Artists' illustration) items you posted above. So you talk about Customs ? how about customs not letting even a single Chinese 'nut/bolt' , let alone LiPo/ESC/Radio etc!!! They have been working most of time under similar conditions.
Get out of the shoes, try to build something scratch. Not from Plans printed on A4 sheets. Giant Scale is no child's play, even if taxpayers money is involved.

Nevertheless, I still wish Tata/Birla/Ambanis should have given a free hand in Aviation and Defense R&D - they would have pumped more money and have had much, much honest management, which lacks in these Guv organizations. We would have surely be selling Defense hardware to at least 2nd/3rd world countries and much much more self reliant.
Globalization and ease of availability of 90% of technology from west has undermined the need of indigenous R&D of  much of technology, even like reinventing the wheel. This is exactly what China had done and is already challenging the monopoly of West in Aviation, space and Defense hardware.

+1. the guys are isro and drdo may not be the best but the work they do and effort that goes into- even failed projects should be respected. Sure the US have better stuff and have come up with brilliant drones etc .. but we (atleast few of us) are not aware about the failed projects and money lost in the US.

And i have personally been to ISRO and had a guided tour of the cleanroom- and all the satellites in it at few months back, checkout room, Blower-room, Test area - both at ISAC and ISITE. I was surprised to see that they were assembling so many foreign satellites to be launched form India.

There are several other places where most of the money goes waste - our dear babus for example.

Personally i cannot make even an electric foamy now since im a newbie so i find those big RC planes awesome

Ask other Scratch builders like Capt. Mainsh (FlyingBoxCar), Sanjeev Sir(RCD), Mike, VC, Sunderam et all. Earnestly, giant scale is not joke, even if it does not look fancy. The very sight of such large plane controlled by RC it self is great. There are so many things goes in- huge servos, huge power consumption (battery), structural reinforcements, vibration control and so so many others. 

This i agree, speaking the truth wont get him far.

This i dont agree
DARPA's annual budget is US $ 3.2 billion and DRDO's is 1.9 billion, thats almost 60%.
I personally believe that DRDO spends twice the money than DARPA does but i don't have any proof.

i am calling a friend to comment on this 

ok so he wont be able to talk here but you can visit his website to help him in his mission.
http://www.corruptionindrdo.com/

hi,

I put up these links for all you guys, so that you can see whats happening in our country too.

kindly be proud enough that there are people who are making effort to build big planes, forget the funding try to make one first from scratch. lot of material available out there. if you have the brains you can do it.

i have been flying these planes and know what efforts have gone in. just imagine this things happening in a defence environment. basically these planes were testbed for engines developed here. you can enlarge a 46 size trainer to any size you want. that is no big deal.

do not compare a 46 size trainer to a monster size plane having 175cc gas engine and having a wt of 45 kgs. you really need a lot of skill to fly it and bring it back down safely.

Anwar you need to keep posts which  praise this hobby and not are against it.

regds

I will KEEP both.  I do enjoy the first kind a bit better though

Please do post such information if you have more... it is very interesting to put mildly.

Anwar,

what has the above link got to do with this site. we are hobby people and should respect our hobby.

where is corruption coming here in between. I am totally upset by the comments passed by  sunlikestar .

Kindly keep people like these away from a site which is clearly dedicated for rc and the people who love rc.

regds

Sandeep bhai -  Hobby people are having to deal with corruption often while ordering models, see the various incidents here. So it is not something that does not affect our hobby.  Plus the whole "legal" situation about this hobby also speaks volumes about "red-tape"ism in our country.

This discussion spilled on to DRDO, and how it is faring in comparison with similar agencies, and the above post was made in that context.  It is a public website, regardless of its merit.  People may make their on judgements, and toss it out from their minds should they feel so.

I can't see anyone disrespecting our hobby in this thread, I only see some people aspiring for even higher/better standards.  I hope you can see this thread in that spirit

PS: I can split out the threads, should you feel it is being polluted.

Topic split from : http://www.rcindia.org/gas-glow-nitro-planes/big-spad-26cc/

Exactly. We all love this forum and our hobby so we must not allow some agency people using taxpayers money for fun and then declaring them as their property and showing on a forum like this where people are really smart and educated unlike some. this forum is for true rc enthusiasts like us. but u r always welcome if u really want to learn a thing or two from us and pass on to ur agency. Thx.

PS- Sunlikestar u really r a star.
  @ agency guy-- i know a nice rc forum. try ur luck there and u will get all the due praise u r longing for.

After going through the entire thread, I have few things to say, if those are current pics, why is DRDO spending money in building such old school RC models  ? I mean these designs and models go back more than 30 - 40 years in the aviation world..., what is the point in building these now ? What experiments and research they are doing on these oldies ? The engine designs are basic designs with few modifications, I have a diploma in aeronautics and we did study those in our curriculum.

Ideally they should be working on futuristic jet models, UAVs, Gunships, Stealth technology etc etc....Its wasting of money and manpower both, I was pretty disappointed looking at DRDO Professionals spending our hard earned money (taxes) on such old design scale models, if its a personal hobby, its understood. I'd have been so damn happy if I saw jet engines, scale jet planes, UAVs etc....

I saw pics of people with those personal experimental flying back-packs with propellers etc...those things have become history and manuscripts in other countries...


Is this what is happening in our country As quoted by crazy pilot, given the funding and access, anyone of us would build this size of planes....talking about brains Mr. Sandy, we have brains too most of us are highly qualified in the field of engineering and work as respected professionals in our own facilities....most of us have build planes, quadrotors, hovercrafts from scratch

Sandeepbhai, If you really care for the hobby, I'd suggest that you help the entire community with dealing with the customs and the pre-historic laws prevailing in the system, you being with DRDO, you have an upper hand towards taking this hobby to the next level and ask our Govt to promote this hobby instead of demoting it....

Please dont quote me wrong Sandeepbhai, if it was a workshop in your backyard and it was your personal hobby, I'd say hats off....also please dont disrespect my friends out here, questioning their brains and capabilities, many of them are students still studying in colleges, you never know they will be future scientists and aeromodelers in DOD, NASA, ISRO or any such organizations....

I think all of us could simply take feedback and also take note of the fact that these big old time models are being used to test the "engines" that are developed locally. That what Sandeep is pointing out. DRDO is not building these vintage models for fun at least - i'm sure. To test an engine you don't need a jet plane model - correct??  Check http://www.kadet-uav.com/ they are doing something thats pretty serious on the UAV front.

I have nothing against any one, even if they are working for DRDO. And to hurt anyone’s feeling is the last thing i would do. But it is no secret now what DRDO is about. The amount of money they are spending is astronomical. If they are testing engines i would love to know more about the project and most importantly when was it issued and when was it due for. Each and every project is delayed, most by decades and all with cost overruns. Main project of DRDO is the hiring machinery. I know a guy who was directly asked money for JRF post. They collect money each year in the hiring season which is then divided equally along the chain. That’s how they got more than 30,000 people working in DRDO, ahh and this brings me to the all important comparison,
DARPA established in 1958; DRDO established in 1958.
DARPA annual budget $3.2 billion; DRDO annual budget $1.9 billion, less than DARPA but DRDO keeps delaying projects so actual cost is many times the annual budget.
DARPA number of employees 240; DRDO 30,000 and counting.
Achievements comparison, everyone knows.
DARPA has constant pressure regarding there expenses from government and public; Everyone in India is proud of DRDO

You missed the biggest point DARPA is established in the US-of-Accountability!!

DARPA ceveloped micro turbine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Micro_turbine.jpg


Cool

TG dude, in this era, why would you need those kind of engines or was it a delayed project they are still working on....

Its not an engine. Its a gas turbine. Used to generate power.

If I could lay my hands on two of that, mmmm! An Arado 234 or Gloster Meteor at a managable size would be oh! so lovely

dude, replicas of those micro turbines are available now...check the productline of Fly-rc, they do have one of those listed, these micro jet turbines are already being used by RC modelers outside india, here its pretty costly so may be few people would buy those....

Dude,
Thanks for educating. If you read what I wrote, it says "if I could lay my hands on two of these"
?
Which means I know where to get them, but can I afford it at present? No way, unless I sell a kidney to finance these :-)

right bro u r so damn right. its beyond our reach...how I wish I had 3 kidneys...